Beta Male Providers

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I wasn’t expecting such emotional and irrational reponses. Brickhead, you write like a female lol…nttiawwt

an above poster suggested that I may be making these examples up… sadly, I am not.

I just can’t wrap my head around a man choosing to spend the best years of his life raising another man’s child… it’s just, so irrational. Yes, “real men” face up to their obligations… THEIR obligations… not the obligations of another man lol… if you are trying to convince me, or anyone else, that a REAL man would ‘step up to the plate’, and essentially cuckold himself, its a wasted effort.

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Let me preface this post by saying that I know Mr. Walkway has ridiculous views on women that I largely disagree with. And that I recently entered an awesome relationship with an amazing woman after deciding she was worth not living my life how I imagined, ie: being single until I was in my 30’s and established so I can travel, have fun, live where I want, not be tied down, etc.

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

friend 1:
28 years old, police officer, dating a single mother (who is quite large) while her baby-daddy resides in the corrections system.

friend 2:
23 years old, no college education, works in retail at Best Buy, dating a single mother of 2 children from 2 different fathers (LOL).

friend 3:
25 years old, college degree in bullshit, engaged to a single mother who he’s been dating for 6 months… looking to be married before they hit the 1 year mark of “togetherness” (they always talk about how much they love each other, on facebook).

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I don’t think this has anything to do with being alpha or beta. Or, at least not to the extant that Walkway is making it to be.

What I think it has to do with is guys who have poor boundaries, don’t know what they want, are too passive to take a hold of their lives, etc. I bolded a few points in Walkways quotes that, to me, are red flags. BIG red flags. Call me presumptuous, but I doubt any of the women given as examples sat down and had a well thought out conversation about wanting a child, thinking about it, then planning for it. They sound like the type of women who got pregnant and then 9 months later were talking about how “their little angel is the best thing that’s ever happened to them” on facebook.

I doubt if you had asked any of these guys listed, on the day before they met these women, what their dream life looked like, they would not answer “meet a single mother (with potentially questionable life decision making skills) and father her child.”

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Walkaway starts these threads in a desperate attempt to prove to us and himself that he’s not beta.

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[quote]The-German wrote:
Odds are walkaway’s examples are completely made up but I agree looks definitely are not everything.[/quote]

Other than a proven track record of lies and deception, there’s no reason to doubt his veracity.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
Odds are walkaway’s examples are completely made up but I agree looks definitely are not everything.[/quote]

Other than a proven track record of lies and deception, there’s no reason to doubt his veracity. [/quote]

doesn’t change the fact that there are a shitload of beta male providers lol

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OP is steroid filled mid 20s virgin

OP makes thread about being beta

lol

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
Odds are walkaway’s examples are completely made up but I agree looks definitely are not everything.[/quote]

Other than a proven track record of lies and deception, there’s no reason to doubt his veracity. [/quote]

doesn’t change the fact that there are a shitload of beta male providers lol[/quote]

Lol, there are also a lot of strippers, trannys, rapists, and those my little pony weirdos…Point being, well, that this thread has no point.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
doesn’t change the fact that there are a shitload of beta male providers lol[/quote]

Do you consider men that work while their wives stay at home to raise their kids, cook, and clean “beta” males? Why or why not?

What if your wife makes more money then you, Beta?

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
I wasn’t expecting such emotional and irrational reponses. Brickhead, you write like a female lol…nttiawwt

an above poster suggested that I may be making these examples up… sadly, I am not.

I just can’t wrap my head around a man choosing to spend the best years of his life raising another man’s child… it’s just, so irrational. Yes, “real men” face up to their obligations… THEIR obligations… not the obligations of another man lol… if you are trying to convince me, or anyone else, that a REAL man would ‘step up to the plate’, and essentially cuckold himself, its a wasted effort. [/quote]

It doesn’t matter if the examples you have provided are real or not. You have been caught lying on here multiple times. So every time you post something everyone should just assume that it’s a lie. Because, you are full of shit. But, I will give my opinion.

The examples you have provided of your friends give no information to determine that they are indeed beta.

I know for a fact that there are women with children from previous relationships who get involved with men that they and everyone who knows them recognize as alpha. I am not saying that this makes them alpha, just that they are alpha. Who you date or marry doesn’t put you in the beta or alpha category, it is who the man is that places them in the category. There are thousands of couples that have been monogamous and have kids together where the men are beta.

I am not going to address the quality of women today with this post only try and help you understand how full of shit you are

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
doesn’t change the fact that there are a shitload of beta male providers lol[/quote]

Do you consider men that work while their wives stay at home to raise their kids, cook, and clean “beta” males? Why or why not?

What if your wife makes more money then you, Beta?
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did you read the original post? if so, I can’t imagine how you bridged the gap between my original question, and what you have written here.

im curious as to how a man can be so ‘beta’ as to spend his time, money, and effort to raise the child of another man.

please try to stay on topic

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
doesn’t change the fact that there are a shitload of beta male providers lol[/quote]

Do you consider men that work while their wives stay at home to raise their kids, cook, and clean “beta” males? Why or why not?

What if your wife makes more money then you, Beta?
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did you read the original post? if so, I can’t imagine how you bridged the gap between my original question, and what you have written here.

im curious as to how a man can be so ‘beta’ as to spend his time, money, and effort to raise the child of another man.

please try to stay on topic[/quote]
I already gave an answer. I’ll say it another way; men that date or marry women with children do so for their own unique reason. It isn’t some weird phenomena or super beta uprising.

It was a nice side step though.

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You know who are really Beta assholes? Foster parents. I mean, those kids aren’t theirs AND aren’t their partners.

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[quote]doogie wrote:
You know who are really Beta assholes? Foster parents. I mean, those kids aren’t theirs AND aren’t their partners. [/quote]

Not to mention it costs thousands of dollars to adopt. That’s supplement money brah.

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Of course foster parents are assholes. Caring for another human being is a totally asshole thing to do. A better recourse would be to leave orphans and other suckers to whither on the vine. Oh, especially those orphans whose mommies and daddies died in wars. Like remember the end of World War II, when thousands upon thousands of kids lived in destitution in caves and forests. Just what the heck were all those welfare agency workers and adopters thinking when they made these kids safe and gave them a chance?

I remember those times I volunteered to help some people out. What a sucker was I.

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come on guys, let’s try to stay on topic.

we’re all adults here

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[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Awesome to see that raising another man’s kid is inherently idiotic. Adoption agencies are just beta converters, taking nice dominant alpha males and seducing them into loving a kid regardless of genetic make-up, making them beta.

It’s pretty beta to raise any child with a mental handicap as well. A real alpha would leave that child to die in the elements and go find another bitch to impregnate, seeing as the previous one was obviously unfit…

The least ‘alpha’ thing anyone can do it is let the idea of ‘is this alpha or beta?’ be a serious factor in their decision making. It’s probably not a good call to seriously take social cues from 4chan and TheRedPill[/quote]

I think you and the op are talking about different things. OP talking about guys taking on the kids of single mothers (SOME of whom made bad/irresponsible choices), and you are talking about adoption, and for some reason, children born with disabilities.
Edit: I’ve seen other people bring up the adoption issue. If OP thinks this as “beta” (silly fucking term), that’s really not cool

To answer the topic though,
I feel like some men will do anything for a safe supply of sex. Others, I feel like they have experienced bad relationships in the past (parents divorced/fighting, dysfunctional family), so if they have found someone that can provide them with the love/comfort they really want, they will accept the responsibilities as a step-father.

I’m definitely no psychologist but this has been what I’ve seen in my experiences

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
come on guys, let’s try to stay on topic.

we’re all adults here[/quote]

How are the above remarks off topic? Your premise seems to be that it is “alpha” to refrain taking on any child-rearing obligations that aren’t yours by birthright.

If dating a woman who has kids who aren’t yours is “beta”, how is voluntarily providing care for kids whose mothers you aren’t even sleeping with not even more beta? Where’s the logic in that?

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[quote]colin1168 wrote:
I think you and the op are talking about different things. OP talking about guys taking on the kids of single mothers (SOME of whom made bad/irresponsible choices), and you are talking about adoption, and for some reason, children born with disabilities.
Edit: I’ve seen other people bring up the adoption issue. If OP thinks this as “beta” (silly fucking term), that’s really not cool

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what they’re doing is called a strawman… one of the favorite tactics of the intellectual infant.

referring to your other post, im not talking about ‘alpha’ necessarily at all, just beta.

a man who sacrifices his own life (per se), to raise the child of another man certainly is beta…he is fulfilling the obligations of the other man, while the other man sits back and relaxes…and could possibly still be shagging the mom behind the beta’s back.

a man who raises another man’s child when he has absolutely nothing to gain (I.E. no sex)? jeeze… i don’t even know the word for that

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[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
come on guys, let’s try to stay on topic.

we’re all adults here[/quote]

How are the above remarks off topic? Your premise seems to be that it is “alpha” to refrain taking on any child-rearing obligations that aren’t yours by birthright.

If dating a woman who has kids who aren’t yours is “beta”, how is voluntarily providing care for kids whose mothers you aren’t even sleeping with not even more beta? Where’s the logic in that?[/quote]

You have to understand, Mr. Walkway and Orion have all the answers to a full life. They know all the right moves.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
come on guys, let’s try to stay on topic.

we’re all adults here[/quote]

How are the above remarks off topic? Your premise seems to be that it is “alpha” to refrain taking on any child-rearing obligations that aren’t yours by birthright.

If dating a woman who has kids who aren’t yours is “beta”, how is voluntarily providing care for kids whose mothers you aren’t even sleeping with not even more beta? Where’s the logic in that?[/quote]

You have to understand, Mr. Walkway and Orion have all the answers to a full life. They know all the right moves. [/quote]

I actually find that orion’s posts are generally interesting to read. We don’t see eye to eye, but he has an interesting perspective at times and usually approaches things with a certain intellectual honesty. Still not my go to guy for relationship advice though.

Walkway I find to be much more difficult to connect with.

I don’t have a dog in this race, I just can’t follow the logic. That said, I certainly wouldn’t actively target single mothers. It’s undeniably more complex from the outset and fraught with whole other levels of potential harm should things go south, obviously. However, I wouldn’t write a woman off simply because she had a kid/kids either, provided she seemed to generally have her shit together otherwise.

Also, why are we presuming that single mothers are “welfare queens” anyway? Most of the mothers/women in my circles are well educated, working professionals. A number of them earn more than I do. If they were to get divorced, they’d be single well educated working professionals who happen to have kids. If you choose to date screwed up, structurally umemployed welfare cases you do so at your peril, whether they have kids or not (although kids definitely up the ante).