True Muay Thai isn’t very effective on the ground, however your not likly to end up fighting a Ju-juitsu or an other martial artist on the street. Your mostly likly to run into the local jackass, which would put the Muy Thai fighter at an advantage since Ju-juitse and other grapplers don’t handle multiple attackers well.
I’m just now gettin back into MMA. I start next week. so no fights in the near future, maybe next year, but who knows, if the opportunity presents it self, and I feel that I’m ready to mix it up, it could happen sooner.
As far as fast defense goes, it looks kinda lame. I'm sure it would be great if you are attcked by big puffy blue men but otherwise, try getting into the ring. Thats a rush.
What I meant was the actual fighting skills that I learnt in a year could have been taught in a month. The rest of the time was spent doing useless stuff to stretch out the lessons - “fillers”. Sorta like those in low quality protein powders.
Right on. I’ve never heard of FAST but I checked out the website. LAME! Another commercialized product.
Have you taken Jeet Kune Do? What other MAs have you taken?
I have not "taken Jeet Kun Do"It is not a style, but a concept, although some will probably disagree. The whole premise of Jeet Kun Do is to find what works for you, study different styles, take what works, and discard the excess or simplify. A true student of JKD will learn how to transition from the various ranges of combat : long (karate/tae kwon do) medium (Muy thai/ wing chun) , short (westen boxing), the clinch/take down/ground/submission (wrestling/Judo/Jiu jitsu). No one style is Jeet Kun Do, but all styles fit into Jeet Kun Do. I learned these concepts from a friend who had studied with Joe Lewis, and I can honestly say that they made me a better fighter. Anyone who says Jeet Kun Do is this, or JKD is that is full of shit. Find a school you like that can prove what they preach, or gains your respect… That my friend, is where you should train.
boxing and wrestling!!! anyone can talk all the trash they want but I would bet mad cash that if you took twins and had one box/wrestle for 6-12 months and had the other twin do ANY m.a. for 2+ years that the boxer/wrestler would kick the other ones ass. my opinion! p.s. a kick should NEVER be thrown at an upright opponent, FACT!!
I guess you have never experienced the low shin kicks used by thai boxers. Or a front kick to the hip. Or if the fighter is really fast, the front leg side kick. Kick’s have their place, especially in KICKBOXING where both fighters are UPRIGHT.
rev i: that was just a really dumb statement.
I heard a legend of an underground fighter from GB who is 22 stone, does no fancy crap, just claws and rips at his opponents face ripping out eyes, windpipe etc and eventually crushing and battering the hapless fool into unconciousness or lifelessness. The point, he’s big and this suits him, he is very good at the basics, he’s ruthless and has experience in the trenches. Would you fight him even with a black belt in sum ting wong? You’ve probably got too much to lose. This man is something else again. Could he beat Vitor, Barnett, Maurice or Randy? How about Schilt, Kerr, Gracie? I think he might under his rules, especially when he picks up a fence post or a hammer. Go with Coyote on this one, choose your battles carefully and use hybrid styles that consider multiple opponents as backup.
Rev i I am an experienced thigh masher and i serve up desert of front hip kicks. Timing!!! People dont walk through my low kicks and land punches, its KO time for those fools. Certain techniques are better at certain stages of the bout where factors such as and especially fatigue and doubt creep up. Fast and furious drunken brawlers seccumb to this too. I broke a village idiots ribs with 3 well placed front kicks which i slipped in under his punches. He was probably on something judging by his irrational rage and definately inexperienced, his distancing, reflexes and timing were pathetic. Footwork was a definate deciding factor in this one. I prefer ground & pound when Im pissed though, less mistakes. I hope most of this is valid in its rightful context Cheers
I assume (and I hope you all would also) that the other guy is a trained fighter. THE ONLY time I would even THINK about kicking in the street would be against multiple opponents, and then that would just be a front kick to create distance. I don’t care how good someone thinks they are if you fight a grappler and try ANY type of kicks (even sweeps) your odds just went down. Can you get away with it if you have mad skills and the other guy doesn’t? Sure. Is it smart? NO
Has anybody been to Tim Larkin’s TFT training camp. I attended the camp a few months back in Las Vegas. It was great. I attended a SCARS level 1 and 2 prior to that and it didn’t even compare to Tim’s training. This Fast Defence method seems interesting as well. Do you think I could incorporate his methods with what I already know?
It’s not the style, it’s how you train. If you don’t go live or spar at least once a week, you’re in the wrong school. Likewise, if you do forms, you’re in the wrong school. Some people enjoy them, but they’re a waste of time. My advice: unless you’re as heavily inked as Henry Rollins, if you join a gym and the tattoo per capita ratio rises, you joined the wrong gym. Go for boxing, muay thai, jiu-jitsu, submission, shootfighting, wrestling, jeet kun do. Also, krav maga and kyokushkin karate (they practice full contact 100% of the time).
Jason, Is George Allen a black dude with a kickboxing/wrestling (Army I think) background? I think I’ve seen him fight a few times in Hooknshoot a few years back (Jeff O used to be a great hook up for vids). Pretty tough opponent. Good Luck.
If you have a good ground game (you are not afraid to go to the ground), it gives you the confidence to throw those kicks,knowing that if you are taken down in the process its no big deal. The low roundhouse employed by Muy Thai fighters can be used like a jab to keep a guy off of you. And if you are not accustomed to taking those shots to the thigh, it can be just as bad, if not worse than takinga shot in the kids. Marco Ruas beat a guy in the UFC (who was 300lbs and way over 6’ and wanted to go to the ground) by employing leg kicks. They are a powerful tool in a fighters arsenal.
ko said,“If you have a good ground game (you are not afraid to go to the ground), it gives you the confidence to throw those kicks,knowing that if you are taken down in the process its no big deal” EVERYTHING in a REAL fight IS a big deal. ko, no insult meant but you either have not been in many fights (a good thing!), are arogant as hell (a BAD thing), or you have not been in a fight with someone that is either a div. 1 wrestler or crazy (sometimes both!). if you EVER think ANY part of a REAL fight is “no big deal” I hope you never meet the “wrong” person. Throw a kick (ANY kick) at a REAL GOOD grapler and you loose (maybe MORE then just a fight). can you get away with it sometimes (kinda like drunk driveing)? yea, sure. but will ya’ get your ass handed to you sooner or later? YUP!!
most like you could benefit from a basic ranger type hand to hand combat course. learn to fight ‘cheaply’ ie groin eyes, throat noise… also pepper spray…
I agree with the prescribed muay thai and groundwork combination, with some shuai chiao or judo to learn the throws. Maybe a little Chin Na or standing joint type stuff added. Boxing is good also, there are alot of combinations and techniques that you won’t learn elsewhere. I trained with a boxer for a while, the only complaint I had is he kept me too sideways as to minimize my torso exposure, but also felt like i was too confined and would be vulnerable to a host of kicks if it were Muay Thai, which I like more than anything. Above all u have to train hard and get in the ring!! Spar with as many people as possible, who have a wide variety of styles and tendencies. There is no substitute for experience. But know your limits also, I have had my ass kicked alot for getting to cocky. Luckily it has never been that bad, but it easily could have been. Like I said groundfighting is essential, but remember, in the street the smoothest leg lock in the world might not work as well when your oppenent’s buddy is smashing your head with a aluminum baseball bat. Which brings us to the point of knowing your opponent(s) and your enviroment. Learning to size up people and situations is as important as anything else.
As to magnus’s comment about Dan Inosanto’s video showing the guy getting shanked when his blade armed closed a distance of 26 ft before he could draw, that sounds like a ploy to sell more of Dan Inosanto’s stick fighting videos, hence the suggestion of using a baton instead…curious, huh? If Dan Inosanto is confident that 100% of the time he can close that ditance and dispatch somebody armed with pistol, than more power to him, I will send flowers to the funeral of him or anybody else who tries that crap. I realize that alot of people don’t practice quick draw anymore, but just seeing somebody reach for a gun would make most would be knife attackers run for cover. I wonder if Dan Inosanto would challenge a SWAT or Delta Force member to that little test? Personally, I think if you can’t draw and put two rounds on target in less than a second, u have no business carrying a gun anyway. Guns are like anything else, u have to practice to get good, that means dry fire practice and lots of range time, with solid and effective tactical techinques. Self defense in my opinion includes fighting armed opponents, even those armed with AK’s and the like. If u are a bad man with guns then you will be in very few situations that u would ever encounter that are out of your league. Martial arts made me confident, but knowing how to use the two .45’s on my hip and the STG 58 in my trunk made me very confident. The key term is SELF-DEFENSE though, don’t forget that.
So in short, go for Muay Thai and some throwing and groundfighting style, with some boxing and such mixed in. Don’t neglect your weapons training, get a concealed carry permit and learn your gunfighting in and out. Train hard and know your limits!! Hope this helps.
to rev. i: Ko has 20+ years of experience. And has experience in the ring. And yes, he’s even been in a few bar brawls.
But above all else: he has a huge amount of respect for the fighting arts, a even larger amount of knowledge and is always willing to "empty his cup" to learn new techniques, styles, etc. I thought I'd say this now, since you are making a HUGE assumption based on the little bit you've read here in the forum.
Yes, that’s he. He’s good on his feet, but I’ve seen him fight, and I’ve talked to many people who are familiar with hiim, and I’m confident my ground skills are better. However, unfortunately, Monday night I was grappling, and I’ve sprained/torn my MCL. I’m not sure if I’m going to be able to make it. I’m rehabbing as quickly as my body will allow, but I don’t know if it’ll be enough. I’m looking for any supplements that might help speed ligament recovery. So far, I’ve only found promising info on omega-3’s. If it’s back to ~90% in three weeks, I’ll take the fight; if not, I’m going to drop out.