[quote]SBGuerrilla wrote:
OP you are getting really good advice from everyone.
I couldn’t have put it better; fightinIrish is exactly on point with Krav Maga. As a practioner you have to become a jack of all trades but a master of none. The reason is simple, in a real world scenario there are so many possibilities; a knife attack, a knife threat, being on the ground, being choked, having your hair pulled, your shirt grabbed, I could go on forever. The point is you have to divide your time so you are efficient enough to deal with each of these problems. Its not as daunting as it seems as Krav Maga is based on a few core principles which if you adhere to, remembering techniques is a breeze. I hope your getting the point here, that because your training for the real world, you dont have the luxury of mastering any one area.
If you do choose to train in Krav Maga I strongly recommend that you cross-train in another art. This will help you to refine certain skills beyond what a typical Krav will give you. It will also depend on your instructor, some have a history in another art and it’ll show in how much they emphasize certain things.
And yes, there are so many Krav Maga schools and orginizations in both Israel and the world it makes it difficult to discern which is appropriate. A lot of Krav schools use techniques that have been either left behind or built upon by the more forward moving orginizations. If you do find that your only option is one of these schools, I recommend going for something else. Have a look if there is a KMG school in your area, that would be your best bet. [/quote]
Thanks for the advice. There aren’t any KMG schools in my area that aren’t at least an hour away. I don’t have the time or the money for it, so I’ll have to settle for something else. Not sure yet, but something.
Irish,
Excellent video.Really demonstrates how the real world is so different from the controlled environment of a training facility. About once every two weeks, a few of us get together with the Marine Security Guards (MSG) and train in full battle rattle,you will find out real fast what works and what doesn’t.
Eagle,
You have received some of the best advice I have ever read on this forum. Smart decision on taking a year off from football to heal up for the entrance physical. For a 17 year old male, you have set a GOAL and then taken steps to ACCOMPLISH that goal. Most people twice your age haven’t figured out that simple process.To echo the thoughts of many: modern combat/survival requires a multi-faceted skill set, your training should always be geared toward the practical. Good luck and keep us posted on your progress.
Judo- will supplement your more combative oriented training, is good for non lethal and lethal self defense. If you execute a good tai otoshi or other throw on pavement someone is DONE. Period.
It also teaches you to fall properly which is super important in life and combat and the difference between a fractured skull and not.
Boxing- Will put you in awesome shape, and give you good hands for a close encounter. More importantly, boxing puts you in that aggressive hit hard and drop the other guy mindset.
Karate- its a crap shoot but a very good karate school should not be ignored…kyokushin, shotokan…whatever, if the instructor is legit and these people fight then karate is still a very good art.
I do olympic tkd…but I honestly think it would take too much of your time to devote to getting competent at.
Don’t forget that if you do engage a target in a combat situation, you will be wearing a tac vest + flak vest + potential radio or whatever other equipment that is cumbersome and heavy.
Thanks everybody! There are a couple of more schools in my area that I still have to check out, but I will definitely keep you guys posted since you gave me so much great information. I sincerely appreciate it.
Take up marksmanship. If you are in the infantry, get really good at using a radio for air support.
As a class, the country with by far the most lethal martial arts is the US, since damn near every one of them involves shooting someone.
Look, hand to hand combat rarely happens in the modern era. It normally denotes an almost complete logistical/planning failure by the higher ups. Military does get used more for civilian anti-terrorism work, which ends up being either a firefight or maybe some restraining moves. Jean Claude van Damme type smackdowns are not gonna happen with anything approaching regularity.
One of my buddies in Afghanistan also pointed out that the locals are pretty under fed and smaller compared to the Americans, so they aren’t too keen on picking a fight with you.
The big plus with training would be bar fights (BJJ is good), impressing your bros and picking up chicks. For the last two, probably MMA or Muy Thai. Just realize that for actual combat it is not time well spent. Combat is not fighting (which is for dominance in a social setting, aka duelling) but for efficiently converting the quick to the dead. M 16s on full auto work a Hell of a lot better than hitting people. Carpet bombing is even better. If you are itching for some hand to hand, I, as a commanding officer, would consider you to be a liability to the rest of your unit. Think about that.
(Been doing martial arts for 30+ years and am damn good at it. Just want everyone to be clear on this since I have trained a lot of people and used to train military police, so I am not just talking out of my ass.)
[quote]jj-dude wrote:
Take up marksmanship. If you are in the infantry, get really good at using a radio for air support.
As a class, the country with by far the most lethal martial arts is the US, since damn near every one of them involves shooting someone.
Look, hand to hand combat rarely happens in the modern era. It normally denotes an almost complete logistical/planning failure by the higher ups. Military does get used more for civilian anti-terrorism work, which ends up being either a firefight or maybe some restraining moves. Jean Claude van Damme type smackdowns are not gonna happen with anything approaching regularity.
One of my buddies in Afghanistan also pointed out that the locals are pretty under fed and smaller compared to the Americans, so they aren’t too keen on picking a fight with you.
The big plus with training would be bar fights (BJJ is good), impressing your bros and picking up chicks. For the last two, probably MMA or Muy Thai. Just realize that for actual combat it is not time well spent. Combat is not fighting (which is for dominance in a social setting, aka duelling) but for efficiently converting the quick to the dead. M 16s on full auto work a Hell of a lot better than hitting people. Carpet bombing is even better. If you are itching for some hand to hand, I, as a commanding officer, would consider you to be a liability to the rest of your unit. Think about that.
(Been doing martial arts for 30+ years and am damn good at it. Just want everyone to be clear on this since I have trained a lot of people and used to train military police, so I am not just talking out of my ass.)
I’m probably just full of shit as always though…
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I would say you’re full of shit on the bar fights/chicks thing. Unless that was a joke, which i hope it was.
The big plus with training would be bar fights (BJJ is good), impressing your bros and picking up chicks. [/quote]
I would say you’re full of shit on the bar fights/chicks thing. Unless that was a joke, which i hope it was.
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Partially. At least one part of why a lot of guys take up a martial art is to impress others. If that is really what is going on here, then he should be aware of it and not pretend like he’s in it for combat training. (Rory Miller put it best that people don’t die of embarrassment, but they’ll die rather than get embarrassed. Good point to keep in mind when dealing with single males in the 16 - 25 year age demographic.) Besides, one of my buddies (senior NCO, BTW) pointed out that a lot of “combatives” taught in hand to hand classes in the Army ended up being used in brawls on Friday nights. A fight in a bar is very different from combat. Very different. Selling them as being closely related is simply dishonest but is bread and butter marketing for most civilian martial arts schools.
Oh and for my final comment, a guy with one too many Hollywood movies under his belt could get his entire unit decimated. Such gung-ho guys do pop up from time to time and are a hazard to anyone who works with them. Rumor has it though they fall to friendly fire incidents if they get too out of hand.
Partially. At least one part of why a lot of guys take up a martial art is to impress others. If that is really what is going on here, then he should be aware of it and not pretend like he’s in it for combat training. (Rory Miller put it best that people don’t die of embarrassment, but they’ll die rather than get embarrassed. Good point to keep in mind when dealing with single males in the 16 - 25 year age demographic.) Besides, one of my buddies (senior NCO, BTW) pointed out that a lot of “combatives” taught in hand to hand classes in the Army ended up being used in brawls on Friday nights. A fight in a bar is very different from combat. Very different. Selling them as being closely related is simply dishonest but is bread and butter marketing for most civilian martial arts schools.
– jj[/quote]
Hence why they teach bored soldiers BJJ instead of the brutal combatives they used to… so the guys can battle for “dominance” while not actually killing each other.
Krav Maga or Combat Hapkido are probably the 2 best choices but it can vary greatly from instructor to instructor. Alot of training in the actual military is becoming more based around military weapons and gear so finding that kind of training outside the military is unlikely here are some examples of tactical combatives focused around weapons and gear.
Out of those choices, my recommendation would be Krav Maga. I mean, it was designed specifically for modern combat, so you can’t go wrong there.
If you’re interested in something more traditional, you could conceivably look towards Jujutsu (traditional, i.e. Hakko Ryu, or Daito Ryu) or Bujinkan Nimpo… as they’re designed with unarmed combat vs weapons and small joint manipulation (read: breaking) in mind.
That said, the biggest factor in any martial art you choose will be finding a good instructor. Too many “studios” out there peddling utter bullshit… in my experience 9 times outta 10, you’d be better off just watching Master Ken’s training video’s on youtube (see below for example).
