Effective Kicking above the waist…situational…but still effective.
Basic level entry Krav Stuff that utilizes kicks in an effective manner. More food for thought.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]rasturai wrote:
[quote]silverblood wrote:
if you want nasty try krav maga. if you want to really hurt him try escrima or arnis. you learn with knives and sticks then move to empty hand.
for immediate results get a brass knuckle belt buckle and carry it with you. when you hit him in the face or anywhere else twist your hand so you rip the flesh and tear muscle.
get a twine ring. it is a ring that the workers in textile mills used to wear to cut the string that was used to tie the rolls. get the type that is is worn facing toward the palm. it has a short(@1") hooked razorsharp blade. if you have to grapple with him it will slice him wherever you grab him.
you can find both at a decent size flea market.
the only pic I could find is the type worn like a regular ring.[/quote]
lol why go through all that trouble really…just carry a GUN.
If someone is asking for a whooping bad enough for me to wear that ring…this is probably more than just a one on one street confrontation.[/quote]
most people that carry a gun have never killed anyone and will hesitate before using it and may fumble while getting it into position. you do that and you’ll most likely end up dead.
the ring and brass knuckles are also easier to conceal and fall into the nature of a fight easier. you grab and swing. if someone grabs you from behind in a choke the ring will split the back of an arm open easily. most brass knuckles have a side bump that can be used to rake or hammer.
even steel toed shoes give you an advantage. when I was younger and worked as a bouncer I broke up a lot of fights by simply kicking the idiots in the ankle or shin. if you feel that you may have to fight you go in to win. if I have to fight someone on the street it is a life or death situation. I will use or do whatever it takes to win.[/quote]
Wow I def agree with this…Although Brass Knuckles are illegal nationwide I think[/quote]
not as a belt buckle. there are ways around things. straight razors might be illegal to carry but a hair trimming razor with a removable guard isn’t. that’s why I tell all the women I know to have one in their purse and show them how to hold it.[/quote]
Very Interesting! I’ve got cops as friends and family. They know I like brass knuckles and knives…they always warn me not to carry brass knuckles cause its a 3rd degree felony and such[/quote]
belt buckles can be purchased by anyone. I can’t understand why brass knuckles are illegal but these big multi-finger “knuckle rings” with raised names or sayings or emblems on them are not.
Putting it all together…no matter what you study…you can pull what you need out of it to keep as a tool in your belt of self defense
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Trust me…this thread doesn’t keep me up at night. lol
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Take it back.
kidding, many thanks frozen for your opinions and contributions to the thread, no one is doubting the fact that youve been more than helpful.
As for the weaponry, does anyone here do such a thing, does anyone carry various gadgets for self defense?
Fight starts at 2:28 haha you gotta see this:
[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]rasturai wrote:
[quote]silverblood wrote:
if you want nasty try krav maga. if you want to really hurt him try escrima or arnis. you learn with knives and sticks then move to empty hand.
for immediate results get a brass knuckle belt buckle and carry it with you. when you hit him in the face or anywhere else twist your hand so you rip the flesh and tear muscle.
get a twine ring. it is a ring that the workers in textile mills used to wear to cut the string that was used to tie the rolls. get the type that is is worn facing toward the palm. it has a short(@1") hooked razorsharp blade. if you have to grapple with him it will slice him wherever you grab him.
you can find both at a decent size flea market.
the only pic I could find is the type worn like a regular ring.[/quote]
lol why go through all that trouble really…just carry a GUN.
If someone is asking for a whooping bad enough for me to wear that ring…this is probably more than just a one on one street confrontation.[/quote]
most people that carry a gun have never killed anyone and will hesitate before using it and may fumble while getting it into position. you do that and you’ll most likely end up dead.
the ring and brass knuckles are also easier to conceal and fall into the nature of a fight easier. you grab and swing. if someone grabs you from behind in a choke the ring will split the back of an arm open easily. most brass knuckles have a side bump that can be used to rake or hammer.
even steel toed shoes give you an advantage. when I was younger and worked as a bouncer I broke up a lot of fights by simply kicking the idiots in the ankle or shin. if you feel that you may have to fight you go in to win. if I have to fight someone on the street it is a life or death situation. I will use or do whatever it takes to win.[/quote]
Man everything is relative.
Most people don’t have it in them to start slashing someones face with that thing either. You could even say that is a lot worse than shooting someone. It’s one thing to shoot someone in the body…it’s another to mangle their face with a ring knife that you would have to repeatedly go blow after blow.
Me personally would never grab someone in a choke from behind…bouncers do that shit…if I have a serious problem with someone I’ll sneak up on them and hit them in the head. There’s just too many variables with all these situations really. If someone was trained enough to use the gun they could use it. Besides…just pulling out a gun will make most people freeze up and the WTF PLEASE DONT factor will first play into your mind other than…mmm maybe if I do krav maga move #4 - kick to the groin, headbutt, hammer first blah blah lol.
First thing in the streets is if you can avoid it…if you can’t…or don’t want to (ego)…most first hits to the face will stop most people if you follow up…how many people get hit in the face on a regular basis. Weapons change absolutely everything…and theres always the chance they have numbers.
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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Trust me…this thread doesn’t keep me up at night. lol
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Take it back.
kidding, many thanks frozen for your opinions and contributions to the thread, no one is doubting the fact that youve been more than helpful.
As for the weaponry, does anyone here do such a thing, does anyone carry various gadgets for self defense?[/quote]
[quote]Dymdez wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Trust me…this thread doesn’t keep me up at night. lol
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Take it back.
kidding, many thanks frozen for your opinions and contributions to the thread, no one is doubting the fact that youve been more than helpful.
As for the weaponry, does anyone here do such a thing, does anyone carry various gadgets for self defense?[/quote]
I’ve done some weaponary…the knife stuff is just too much man…if someone has a knife and you don’t…well get the fuck out of there…if you for some reason cannot leave life or death and you have a knife you may survive…you will both be cut. That’s the thing…if your in a knife ordeal…the first thing is YOU ARE GOING TO GET CUT!
A thing I’ve seen work if two guys have a knife is a KICK (frozen-ninja is gonna love this) lol but you both are squared off with knives (both will be hesistant to make a move) if the lead hand is sticking out with a knife…a kick to the hand (you gotta kinda know how to do it) you could definaetly get that knife out of their hand and a graet possibility of winning.
Or if your a monstrous puncher (which most arent)…if your in close quarters if you have a chance to throw a bomb as that knife is coming then GTFO!
The gun defence is a lot easier because well things can get jammed…you move off the centre line of fire…of course it only works if you are getting it pointed on you…(at your head etc).
Some guys have gotten quite close to people with guns 20 feet away by running in zig-zags towards them. Damn there was a good story of a man trying to get a cop and the guy was running full speed at him from a distance and the cop was shooting at him and the man was only a few feet away from reaching the officer. That’s someone who trains with a gun! Running in zig zags, full speed…20 feet away…eh you might have a chance! lol
[quote]Dymdez wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Trust me…this thread doesn’t keep me up at night. lol
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Take it back.
kidding, many thanks frozen for your opinions and contributions to the thread, no one is doubting the fact that youve been more than helpful.
As for the weaponry, does anyone here do such a thing, does anyone carry various gadgets for self defense?[/quote]
Oh as well that’s why I posted those knife videos…pepper spray, etc is good for self defense…a tazor, those are all good things. Knife is the most easiest accessible to people but most don’t want to carry something like that on them.
For the most part…most situations don’t escalate that far…of course if it does you want to be ready. A lot of people are just plain stupid and un-aware that something IS going to happen to them (how could this happen to me!!!). Each time something has gone down…lol I saw it coming from a mile away…seriosuly if your in a situation where there’s a possibility your going to have a problem with someone…tell them to STOP right there and not to come any closer. If they refuse and take a couple more steps…it’s time to do the dirty.
It’s just a matter of turning that switch on.
Just like that time I told you about that bar situation I had…it came to a point where I knew something was going to happen…and well I just used my dirty trick and it worked like a charm. If you can throw a good punch, can act well…your good to go lol.
[quote]rasturai wrote:
I’ve done some weaponary…the knife stuff is just too much man…if someone has a knife and you don’t…well get the fuck out of there…if you for some reason cannot leave life or death and you have a knife you may survive…you will both be cut. That’s the thing…if your in a knife ordeal…the first thing is YOU ARE GOING TO GET CUT!
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Yeah, the last thing you want to have to do is engage a knife wielding attacker unarmed. There are some tactics that you can use to improve your chances of survival, but it’s still the worst case scenario.
Check out Richard Ryan’s “Master of the Blade” book for some fantastic knife fighting tips and tactics.
Also remember that the knife is just a tool, it’s the attacker wielding it that is what you’ve really gotta stop. The guys in the “streetfightsecrets” videos make some good points about the ridiculousness of a lot of knife defense tactics, but when they were actually practicing live there was no attempt by the attacker to actually stop the attacker, it was basically just stand there and try to parry or block the knife arm repeatedly while trying to get away.
Against someone with even moderately fast hands who is also not suffering from “weapon over-reliance” (meaning they still remember that they’ve got another hand, a head, feet, knees, etc…) that’s just gonna make your death a little longer, bloodier and more painful.
Yes you want to minimize damage to yourself, and yes taking hits to less vital targets like the forearms or shoulders is better than taking hits to things like the neck, abdomen or face. But, you’ve still gotta try to take the opponent out of commission asap.
Personally I wouldn’t suggest throwing kicks in a knife fight. If you were lightning fast with your feet and they are stupid enough to just hold the knife out in front of them (like if they are using it as a threat), then ok it might work. Generally though you want to maximize your mobility, and being on one foot (which you must be in order to kick) is not the best way to do that. The hand strike (be it punch, palm, hammer fist, etc…) would be a much better option in most cases.
True, although guns tend to have a stronger psychological effect on the average person. Even think about these threads on self defense. Lots of people will chime in and say “just carry a gun”, but you don’t see too many saying “just carry a (insert knife)”. Why? Because everyone assumes that guns are the most lethal and deadly weapon that can be carried around.
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Some guys have gotten quite close to people with guns 20 feet away by running in zig-zags towards them. Damn there was a good story of a man trying to get a cop and the guy was running full speed at him from a distance and the cop was shooting at him and the man was only a few feet away from reaching the officer. That’s someone who trains with a gun! Running in zig zags, full speed…20 feet away…eh you might have a chance! lol[/quote]
I told that story. It was told to me by Rich Ryan, who was called in as an expert witness in the trial that followed the above event.
You’ve actually got a pretty good chance, assuming you’re fully committed to it (and don’t hesitate, this means you’ve gotta be willing to die though), decently fast and the opponent isn’t a highly trained marksman with multiple clips that they can reload rapid fire or tons of room (or some other obstacle) to be able to keep lots of distance between you and them then chances are you’ll get to them before they can land a lethal shot.
Ryan and the other “Gunsite” instructors tested it out with airsoft guns and paintball guns (wearing body armor for protection) and the only times that they ever died was when:
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the person with the gun was a highly trained marksman
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the person with the gun could also back up at angles to throw off the attacker’s line of attack
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the person with the gun could reload their gun and continue shooting
If all of the above conditions were not met, they made it to the gunman without taking a lethal hit every time. Not saying that it would be impossible to take a lethal hit without the above criteria, but the chances are actually fairly low. We tried this out at an iCAT camp a few years ago and sure enough we made it to the gunman every time without taking a lethal hit.
BTW, I am not advocating that people charge gun wielding attackers. That should be your last option. First try diffusing the situation, giving into the gunman’s demands if possible, etc…
Hey Sento…yeah it’s just most people aren’t trained…for them their thought is going to be directed towards the knife…not the attacker. I’m looking more at the average population…not someone who is conscious of these things or does training. But yeah there are defianetly better places to take hits other than what you mentioned.
I feel most people’s thoughts aren’t trying to get the attacker out of commision. It’s like if they see someone inside their house…most people run. Most don’t go straight up to the attacker with the mindset I’m gonna fucking kill this guy for coming in my house. No people get scared and run away…cause their mindset is adjusted to…bad guy breaks in house, get away from bad guy he will do bad stuff.
With the gun…I’d say yes people if they see a gun they are even more scared because a gun can definaetly mean instant death with one right shot. A gun can deter a situation with people backing off…not saying that a knife can’t…carry both to be safe ;).
That’s awesome that you told that story…that’s a crazy story man, pretty cool stuff that you got to go through that kind of training. If you don’t mind me asking are you in the law enforcement business or just practice this all for the experience and knowledge/prepardness.
I’m definately going to check that book out by the way…I already have, if I can’t find a copy around here I’ll order it on Amazon.
by the way came across this, not a bad read.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]rasturai wrote:
by the way came across this, not a bad read.[/quote]
that’s the guy from the video i posted.
I have massive amounts of respect for MacYoung. One of the first guys to be truthful and tell people that what you’re learning is probably going to get you killed.[/quote]
He’s definitely an intelligent person who knows his stuff, I wonder if he has any recent material/videos that can be found… ill do some homework on it
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]rasturai wrote:
by the way came across this, not a bad read.[/quote]
that’s the guy from the video i posted.
I have massive amounts of respect for MacYoung. One of the first guys to be truthful and tell people that what you’re learning is probably going to get you killed.[/quote]
Shock knives are a real eye opener in this regard. I’ve trained with them, and you react a lot differently to an attacker when he can cause you serious pain if you miss your block/grab. Obviously, the guy holding the knife has to be doing his job and really attacking to show you where the holes in your defense are. Good luck finding someone.
I have yet to see a traditional martial arts school that teaches fighting against a skilled knife fighter who holds the knife by his back hip. It’s a lot harder to do the flashy grab/counter/take the knife/ninja flip/stab combo they show off in their demos when the other guy is bulldogging them with palm heel strikes to the chin and flicking the knife out from behind a solid guard. You’re going to get cut, usually on the arms, probably badly, even if you do everything right. If you try the two strikes to the knife arm I’ve seen a TKD school try to teach then you’re going to get the knife right in the gut, then probably across the neck.
Bottom line: knives are no joke. Even if you know what you’re doing be ready to bleed, and evade / escape when possible.