I agree with the common opinion expressed by everyone above that technique is the most single importa nt factor for generating power. Think of the fist as the last part of the chain , The power will therefore come from the violent yet controlled and precise rotation of the hips. I would say therefore that those actions which increase the rotation in the pelvis will have the greatest impact on power . One point that can not be ignored is the strength to wieght ratio and that probabely explains why high level figthers are alomst always decent at pullup and bw exercises even when they are shit with the weights. Calf development seems to be another one of those things you tend to see with big bangers. Pacquiao is an example
[quote]gifted gonads wrote:
I agree with the common opinion expressed by everyone above that technique is the most single importa nt factor for generating power. Think of the fist as the last part of the chain , The power will therefore come from the violent yet controlled and precise rotation of the hips. I would say therefore that those actions which increase the rotation in the pelvis will have the greatest impact on power . One point that can not be ignored is the strength to wieght ratio and that probabely explains why high level figthers are alomst always decent at pullup and bw exercises even when they are shit with the weights. Calf development seems to be another one of those things you tend to see with big bangers. Pacquiao is an example [/quote]
Hip rotation is only one source of power in punching, and depending on the type of punch not even the most important one. If we are talking about rotational style punches like hooks, then yes hip rotation is the primary power source. But if we are talking about linear punches (jabs/straight leads for example), then it is of secondary importance. With linear strikes it’s actually mass transfer/locomotion/stepping into the punch that is the primary power source. Hip rotation/torque will add power too of course; just as adding mass transfer/locomotion to rotational punches will add power.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]gifted gonads wrote:
I agree with the common opinion expressed by everyone above that technique is the most single importa nt factor for generating power. Think of the fist as the last part of the chain , The power will therefore come from the violent yet controlled and precise rotation of the hips. I would say therefore that those actions which increase the rotation in the pelvis will have the greatest impact on power . One point that can not be ignored is the strength to wieght ratio and that probabely explains why high level figthers are alomst always decent at pullup and bw exercises even when they are shit with the weights. Calf development seems to be another one of those things you tend to see with big bangers. Pacquiao is an example [/quote]
Hip rotation is only one source of power in punching, and depending on the type of punch not even the most important one. If we are talking about rotational style punches like hooks, then yes hip rotation is the primary power source. But if we are talking about linear punches (jabs/straight leads for example), then it is of secondary importance. With linear strikes it’s actually mass transfer/locomotion/stepping into the punch that is the primary power source. Hip rotation/torque will add power too of course; just as adding mass transfer/locomotion to rotational punches will add power.[/quote]
Would you consider a right/rear cross to be a linear strike? Maybe I’m off base, but it seems to me that hip/trunk/shoulder rotation is fairly important for throwing a heavy cross. There is a step/drive off the rear leg as well, but I guess I never really considered which was the primary force generator.
When it comes to jabs/straight leads I absolutely agree with what you’re saying.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]gifted gonads wrote:
I agree with the common opinion expressed by everyone above that technique is the most single importa nt factor for generating power. Think of the fist as the last part of the chain , The power will therefore come from the violent yet controlled and precise rotation of the hips. I would say therefore that those actions which increase the rotation in the pelvis will have the greatest impact on power . One point that can not be ignored is the strength to wieght ratio and that probabely explains why high level figthers are alomst always decent at pullup and bw exercises even when they are shit with the weights. Calf development seems to be another one of those things you tend to see with big bangers. Pacquiao is an example [/quote]
Hip rotation is only one source of power in punching, and depending on the type of punch not even the most important one. If we are talking about rotational style punches like hooks, then yes hip rotation is the primary power source. But if we are talking about linear punches (jabs/straight leads for example), then it is of secondary importance. With linear strikes it’s actually mass transfer/locomotion/stepping into the punch that is the primary power source. Hip rotation/torque will add power too of course; just as adding mass transfer/locomotion to rotational punches will add power.[/quote]
With the jab pretty much yes, while with a classical right straight, rotation of the hips and pivoting the back foot is still the most important thing. For a correct classical right straight in order to get the most power from it you have to think about exploding to the ground first and to the target secondary.
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]gifted gonads wrote:
I agree with the common opinion expressed by everyone above that technique is the most single importa nt factor for generating power. Think of the fist as the last part of the chain , The power will therefore come from the violent yet controlled and precise rotation of the hips. I would say therefore that those actions which increase the rotation in the pelvis will have the greatest impact on power . One point that can not be ignored is the strength to wieght ratio and that probabely explains why high level figthers are alomst always decent at pullup and bw exercises even when they are shit with the weights. Calf development seems to be another one of those things you tend to see with big bangers. Pacquiao is an example [/quote]
Hip rotation is only one source of power in punching, and depending on the type of punch not even the most important one. If we are talking about rotational style punches like hooks, then yes hip rotation is the primary power source. But if we are talking about linear punches (jabs/straight leads for example), then it is of secondary importance. With linear strikes it’s actually mass transfer/locomotion/stepping into the punch that is the primary power source. Hip rotation/torque will add power too of course; just as adding mass transfer/locomotion to rotational punches will add power.[/quote]
Would you consider a right/rear cross to be a linear strike? Maybe I’m off base, but it seems to me that hip/trunk/shoulder rotation is fairly important for throwing a heavy cross. There is a step/drive off the rear leg as well, but I guess I never really considered which was the primary force generator.
When it comes to jabs/straight leads I absolutely agree with what you’re saying.
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The straight right is a linear strike, but with more rotational qualities than a jab. The rotation of the hip is crucial to aligning the musculoskeletal structure so that a power line is created from the rear hand/shoulder through the rear hip and down into the rear leg. Even on real power straight right though, the majority of the power comes from the powerful push off the rear foot that propels the body towards the target. Without that no amount of rotation in the hips is going to produce big power (in the general population, there are exceptions to every rule).
[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]gifted gonads wrote:
I agree with the common opinion expressed by everyone above that technique is the most single importa nt factor for generating power. Think of the fist as the last part of the chain , The power will therefore come from the violent yet controlled and precise rotation of the hips. I would say therefore that those actions which increase the rotation in the pelvis will have the greatest impact on power . One point that can not be ignored is the strength to wieght ratio and that probabely explains why high level figthers are alomst always decent at pullup and bw exercises even when they are shit with the weights. Calf development seems to be another one of those things you tend to see with big bangers. Pacquiao is an example [/quote]
Hip rotation is only one source of power in punching, and depending on the type of punch not even the most important one. If we are talking about rotational style punches like hooks, then yes hip rotation is the primary power source. But if we are talking about linear punches (jabs/straight leads for example), then it is of secondary importance. With linear strikes it’s actually mass transfer/locomotion/stepping into the punch that is the primary power source. Hip rotation/torque will add power too of course; just as adding mass transfer/locomotion to rotational punches will add power.[/quote]
With the jab pretty much yes, while with a classical right straight, rotation of the hips and pivoting the back foot is still the most important thing. For a correct classical right straight in order to get the most power from it you have to think about exploding to the ground first and to the target secondary.
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Right, exploding to through the ground with the rear leg. If done powerfully this will cause you to have to step forwards with the front foot, this resulting in locomotion. I realize that a lot of times you see people being taught to throw straight rights from position without the step (due to either tactical or positional concerns). But if we’re talking about putting maximum power into a strike, you are going to lose a huge amount of power if you only focus on the rotation (or even consider that to be priority #1).
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]gifted gonads wrote:
I agree with the common opinion expressed by everyone above that technique is the most single importa nt factor for generating power. Think of the fist as the last part of the chain , The power will therefore come from the violent yet controlled and precise rotation of the hips. I would say therefore that those actions which increase the rotation in the pelvis will have the greatest impact on power . One point that can not be ignored is the strength to wieght ratio and that probabely explains why high level figthers are alomst always decent at pullup and bw exercises even when they are shit with the weights. Calf development seems to be another one of those things you tend to see with big bangers. Pacquiao is an example [/quote]
Hip rotation is only one source of power in punching, and depending on the type of punch not even the most important one. If we are talking about rotational style punches like hooks, then yes hip rotation is the primary power source. But if we are talking about linear punches (jabs/straight leads for example), then it is of secondary importance. With linear strikes it’s actually mass transfer/locomotion/stepping into the punch that is the primary power source. Hip rotation/torque will add power too of course; just as adding mass transfer/locomotion to rotational punches will add power.[/quote]
With the jab pretty much yes, while with a classical right straight, rotation of the hips and pivoting the back foot is still the most important thing. For a correct classical right straight in order to get the most power from it you have to think about exploding to the ground first and to the target secondary.
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Right, exploding to through the ground with the rear leg. If done powerfully this will cause you to have to step forwards with the front foot, this resulting in locomotion. I realize that a lot of times you see people being taught to throw straight rights from position without the step (due to either tactical or positional concerns). But if we’re talking about putting maximum power into a strike, you are going to lose a huge amount of power if you only focus on the rotation (or even consider that to be priority #1).[/quote]
EG Tommy Hearns, who always ended up on the tips of his left foot’s toes.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]gifted gonads wrote:
I agree with the common opinion expressed by everyone above that technique is the most single importa nt factor for generating power. Think of the fist as the last part of the chain , The power will therefore come from the violent yet controlled and precise rotation of the hips. I would say therefore that those actions which increase the rotation in the pelvis will have the greatest impact on power . One point that can not be ignored is the strength to wieght ratio and that probabely explains why high level figthers are alomst always decent at pullup and bw exercises even when they are shit with the weights. Calf development seems to be another one of those things you tend to see with big bangers. Pacquiao is an example [/quote]
Hip rotation is only one source of power in punching, and depending on the type of punch not even the most important one. If we are talking about rotational style punches like hooks, then yes hip rotation is the primary power source. But if we are talking about linear punches (jabs/straight leads for example), then it is of secondary importance. With linear strikes it’s actually mass transfer/locomotion/stepping into the punch that is the primary power source. Hip rotation/torque will add power too of course; just as adding mass transfer/locomotion to rotational punches will add power.[/quote]
Would you consider a right/rear cross to be a linear strike? Maybe I’m off base, but it seems to me that hip/trunk/shoulder rotation is fairly important for throwing a heavy cross. There is a step/drive off the rear leg as well, but I guess I never really considered which was the primary force generator.
When it comes to jabs/straight leads I absolutely agree with what you’re saying.
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The straight right is a linear strike, but with more rotational qualities than a jab. The rotation of the hip is crucial to aligning the musculoskeletal structure so that a power line is created from the rear hand/shoulder through the rear hip and down into the rear leg. Even on real power straight right though, the majority of the power comes from the powerful push off the rear foot that propels the body towards the target. Without that no amount of rotation in the hips is going to produce big power (in the general population, there are exceptions to every rule).
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Yea, the more I think about how we train that shot and how I actually throw it the, more I realize you’re right.
I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.
Thanks for the reply.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]gifted gonads wrote:
I agree with the common opinion expressed by everyone above that technique is the most single importa nt factor for generating power. Think of the fist as the last part of the chain , The power will therefore come from the violent yet controlled and precise rotation of the hips. I would say therefore that those actions which increase the rotation in the pelvis will have the greatest impact on power . One point that can not be ignored is the strength to wieght ratio and that probabely explains why high level figthers are alomst always decent at pullup and bw exercises even when they are shit with the weights. Calf development seems to be another one of those things you tend to see with big bangers. Pacquiao is an example [/quote]
Hip rotation is only one source of power in punching, and depending on the type of punch not even the most important one. If we are talking about rotational style punches like hooks, then yes hip rotation is the primary power source. But if we are talking about linear punches (jabs/straight leads for example), then it is of secondary importance. With linear strikes it’s actually mass transfer/locomotion/stepping into the punch that is the primary power source. Hip rotation/torque will add power too of course; just as adding mass transfer/locomotion to rotational punches will add power.[/quote]
With the jab pretty much yes, while with a classical right straight, rotation of the hips and pivoting the back foot is still the most important thing. For a correct classical right straight in order to get the most power from it you have to think about exploding to the ground first and to the target secondary.
[/quote]
Right, exploding to through the ground with the rear leg. If done powerfully this will cause you to have to step forwards with the front foot, this resulting in locomotion. I realize that a lot of times you see people being taught to throw straight rights from position without the step (due to either tactical or positional concerns). But if we’re talking about putting maximum power into a strike, you are going to lose a huge amount of power if you only focus on the rotation (or even consider that to be priority #1).[/quote]
I was just almost going to argue a little bit:)… but then figured out that there are variations of the same punch with some slight differences among them… and one way you throw a right straight if you start with a jab - one two, and slightly different if you start right away with a right straight…
Sentoguy,
Thank you for the tips. I have noticed it easier to land elbows when I have cleared an arm out of the way first. Still, they simply don’t land as reliably for me as hooks do when the resistance goes up. Exceptions are when I am in a clinch, or when I am using a forward/vertical elbow either to the body, or to “split” someone’s guard.
Also, the videos were helpful.
Regards,
Robert A
Some fantastic points on the thread so i’m not going to add anything as I think everything needed has been covered.
[quote]Robert A wrote:
Sentoguy,
Thank you for the tips. I have noticed it easier to land elbows when I have cleared an arm out of the way first. Still, they simply don’t land as reliably for me as hooks do when the resistance goes up. Exceptions are when I am in a clinch, or when I am using a forward/vertical elbow either to the body, or to “split” someone’s guard.
Also, the videos were helpful.
Regards,
Robert A
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Yeah, elbows are very close range tools for the most part, so you’ve generally gotta either have some control over the opponent’s ability to make distance (their back is to the wall/cage/ropes/floor or you are holding/clinching them), or they have to be a very stationary fighter/want to keep things close range. Even in those situations though tight hooks, uppercuts, shovel hooks/45’s, and even short right hands can be effective punches. So just stick with what’s already working for you.
shot put!!! no need to learn the full throw technique though as the time spent would take away from time better spent actually training to fight.
As far as “exercise” goes… I think the side press or any “body press” variation. And one arm C&J or one arm snatch. I’m leaning towards snatch between those two though
Some good posts here, guys.
I feel I hit hardest after a few weeks of deadlifting heavy and hard., especially when combined with the same type of shoulder work.
I’m very much in agreement with what FrozenNinja had said earlier about the whole kinetic linkage thing. Do stuff that’ll strengthen you triple extension, posterior chain, abs, shoulders, hand and forearms. Power cleans, Oly movements in general, various box jumps etc. would all fit the bill.
Also, be creative and resourceful. Knowing that hard-hitting is based on momentum (m x v), do exercises that will both increase your effective mass and increase punching velocity-really strong and explosive kipping pullups, clap pushups/depth jump pushups, sprinting, etc.
I recently came up with an exercise where you up-end a barbell, putting one end either in a corner or in one of those pivotting landmine devices, throw a little bit of weight on ( I was using one plate at first and then worked up to a plate and a quarter), and basically practice your punching technique putting maximum power and explosiveness into each rep. I call it the punch press.
Practicing straight right hands like this will teach you how to whip it out there with tons of force. You can even get a little hop-step into it. Feels awesome. I do turn southpaw and practice the straight left the same way, but only for muscular balance because I never change stances in the ring. It probably transfers to the left hook anyway despite being a little different biomechanically.
Increasing effective mass is easy. Get more massive. Get bigger in the right areas. Be careful of moving up into a higher weight class though!
And finally, hit the heavybag. Duh. The heavier the better when trying to increase power. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, right? When you hit a heavier heavybag, you’re transferring more force back into your kinetic chain musculature than hitting a lighter heavybag. I think I remember hearing that Tyson would hit a 300lb heavybag when trying to develop power. When you get to the point where you can get a 300lb bag swinging after a few blows, you know you can tear heads off.
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since we have a grave-digger.
“I feel i hit harder after deadlifting a couple weeks…”
lol
Not much to add , a lot of great posts. I have good luck with working left hook , and training the posterior chain. For me the posterior chain was always neglected, then I started training it like mad to catch up (Romanian DL’s, Abd rollouts,hanging leg raises) . People that I sparred with before and after said training noted the difference. My overall strength had not changed my DL had only gone up 30-40 pds, but my active core was much stronger.