[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
texasguy4 wrote:
Sure it is. It doesn’t take much to learn to punch well enough to break a jaw or a nose. Technical points aside (and outside of a ring who cares about points?) A few bar fights typically do it. In relation to the topic, boxing is not really recommendable as a first fighting discipline to start with.
First of all, most people don’t punch correctly at all. Yes, anyone can throw a haymaker, but the odds are anyone with a half a shits worth of knowledge can dodge it.
Someone not trained will not be able to throw a good straight right or hook, and they will probably bust themselves up just as much as the person they’re hitting because they don’t know what they’re doing.
And who the fuck said it’s not recommendable? You? I’ve read your posts, and nothing you’ve ever said would make me give a the fuck what you would think is recommendable.
You can be proud of your sport all you want, but punching is a much more natural action than crucifix submissions for example. Take away the boxing technicalities and you have a poorly trained fighter. As soon as he is taken down, and a sloppy football style tackle should do, all his training and experience is down the drain.
Fine. And in your little MMA world, I know that’s how you think. But the OP never said anything about MMA- he said what’s going to help him in a barfight or in the street- and boxing will do that.
Don’t listen to me. Go ask that guy that Arturo Gatti beatdown outside the Miami club. Go ask those three guys that thought they could take Tyson in that casino. Go ask that bouncer that Kelly Pavlik knocked out.
Hell, if you really want a lesson, go read Kevin Weeks’ book. He’ll tell you all about how boxing “doesn’t work in the street.” Or actually, you should probably ask all the people in South Boston that he knocked out with a right hook.
He’ll be submitted no problem, or ground and pounded despite all his bag training/sparring. Compared to what is out there, boxing is an inferior fighting method. That is just the truth. A boxers best bet is a lucky one punch knock out.
Rent the old MMA videos when striking and grappling were definitively seperate styles. The experienced grappler almost always wins.
He was not talking about MMA. I could give two flying fucks about MMA. He was talking about what is a good tool to defend himself with in the street.
Grappling is NOT the best, and will get your head kicked in by someone’s friend.
Or the guy might decide that being as you just busted his arm, now it’s combat, and he cuts your throat with a broken bottle.
The fact is, if you’ve got good, quick hands, and you get in a fight, if you can throw a hard 1-2-3 that fight is over before it begins.
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Apparently you give enough of a fuck to reply…
bouncers, guys outside of clubs, all the random people in south boston… maybe I should ask Mickey Mouse and the Goof Troop while I’m at it? What’s your point? A well trained grappler could run around boston breaking necks, arms and legs, including Kevin Weeks’. Apples to apples baby!
One on one, grapplers tend to win against boxers. MMA this, barfight glass bottle slit throat that, if we are going to stay on topic, stay on topic. Boxers wouldn’t win against weapons or groups any more likely than grapplers.
To follow your tangent, I’d actually put my money on a grappler vs. a weapon. Grapplers can punch too, boxers can’t grapple however.
The guy wants recommendations on which art to start with. I recommend a traditionally successful art.
Punching really isn’t as much of an art as boxers like to think. Boxing is on the outs and for good reason. And if you are going to follow a striking sport, at least let it be a more fully complete array of strikes, like kick boxing.
