Best Cardio During Cut?

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there are a million articles detailing the fact of low intensity cardio burning a higher percentage of fat for energy, and of high intensity training burning fat, glycogen and muscle tissue when on a calorie restricted diet.

HIIT will burn more calories, and reduce weight faster, but at the expense of a little more muscle.

SOME sprinters are very large, i agree… but you are saying that they are large and low fat but they train HIIT right? Right! Imagine how much muscle they would have if their primary concern was muscle and not speed? They are not concerned if their training results in muscle loss… hell if that increases their speed, they would celebrate it.
You cannot compare…

Google high/low intensity aerobic exercise and fat loss (or something along those lines) if you are so uncertain sherlock.

ALSO - It isnt about “eating like a man, lifting like a man.”

Jesus, is that why you train (i will refrain from say bodybuild at this point i think) to make you feel more like a man?

Is counting calories and watching fat intake manly? Is measuring your waist and arms masculine? conventional society would say no.
Remember where you are sparky, this IS a bodybuilding forum.

JJ

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The best interval training I’ve ever done is martial arts training. Every class is a hour-long random battery of starts and stops. I never ran into many fat guys in those classes.

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I’ve googled it, read some articles and still I have no reason why low intensity over high …

If I follow what you say, that means that weightlifting while on restricted calories (In my case around 2.5K Calories for a 180 pounds guy) would lead to muscles tissue degradation ? No because we take our whey and carbs for recovery post-workout … Sorry I really don’t follow everyone.

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It depends how restricted you actually are…
But also weightlifting will build metabolic tissue when stimulated to do so and fed just enough aminos etc… HIIT does not, it burns energy at a higher rate in order to propel us the ‘distance’, it burns more calories during the exercise, which need to come from somewhere - and weight-training burns more for a long period after during the re-build process… thus giving us a chance to feed the trickle of energy to the muscles over time.

If you are not familiar with this stuff… i would suggest either learning it yourself, or if you want to ask questions about it here - make sure you do not have a tone about you that suggests that you think this is bollocks, it makes me OR anyone less likely to inform you as to the correct information.

Just because you dont know this, doesnt mean it isnt true, nor not worth knowing. You have come across as a smart-arse arrogant prick. Am i incorrect? Prove me wrong bright eyes…

JJ

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Hum, … still not convince.

I’ll be back, I’ll be back ! lol

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What particular group of people would one suggest has the goal of carrying around the most muscle mass and becoming very lean? Well bodyuilders of course.

How do almost all bodybuilders get lean/keep as much muscle as they can? Well with low intensity cardio and diet.

Nobody is here to convince you if you don’t want to believe it. Physique training isn’t done on paper or in abstracts, it’s done in gyms so look there for your answers. People can learn everything they need to know about this by observing and taking the common denominators from people who have done what they wish to achieve. Don’t make this more complicated than it needs to be.

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I was just about to write… “and who says i give a fuck about trying to convince you?!”

but you beat me to it… in a much nicer way of course!

JJ

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But aren’t bodybuilders on like a million different types of roids?

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Wow really helpful …

Well I was just asking why ? Because here you just told me slow steady state cardio over HIIT for fat lost with minimal lost of muscles while restricting your calories(Not under eating !).

For the roids, lol what’s the point ?

And JJ unless you’re the guy on your avatar why should I take as cash what you’re saying ? We don’t have right just to ask for some explanations or more knowledge here ?

I wasn’t asking you to convince me, I was just saying that I would come back after reading a bit more about it even If I was still convince (with the facts that I already know) that HIIT cardio has a tons more advantage over slow steady one …

From what I’ve read, steady sates cardio yes indeed use fat but from nutrition not necessarily body fat right ?

It’s like saying to a more newbie than me :

Eat more and Lift Heavy and don’t elaborate or anything.

This statement is True but for a beginner he will needs detail why ? and how ? Exactly the same thing here …

But I guess no one’s really cares about helping a bit but have the time to write useless post.

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[quote]It’s like saying to a more newbie than me :

Eat more and Lift Heavy and don’t elaborate or anything.

This statement is True but for a beginner he will needs detail why ? and how ? Exactly the same thing here …

But I guess no one’s really cares about helping a bit but have the time to write useless post.[/quote]

If a newbie came up to me with the “prove it to me” attitude that you have on this thread you’re damn right I wouldn’t waste my time elaborating or trying to help.

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Nobody cares about discussing the general fitness benefits of HIIT here, you are right.

This is a BODYBUILDING forum, you come here with absolutely no interest or knowledge in bodybuilding methods, and you expect me to be ‘nice’ when you dismiss it as ‘all wrong, its just all wrong’!

Get a grip child, I am FULLY aware that HIIT is a much more effective weight-loss, fitness and health exercise than steady state low intensity cardio! Jesus, this is my life, i do this in and out of work.

That is NOT what this discussion is about, you will find that discussion on the ‘Reps!’ or ‘Muscle and Fitness’ websites i suspect.

This discussion is about the benefits of LISSC over HIIT for fat loss with minimal muscle catabolism.
It isnt JUST about the fact that EVERY competitive BB on the planet use this technique successfully, it is about the fact that there are a million papers supporting the findings.

In relation to ‘no-one wanting to help’ you are again depressingly WRONG. I have helped you, you said you didnt believe what i claimed, and i took the time to explain the reasons it works to you, logical, scientificly proved reasons - but then after getting all the knowledge, you clamed - ‘I’m still not convinced’ well it ISNT my place to convince you, just like it isnt your mathematics tutor’s place to convince you that Pythagoras is the way to go for triangulation…

I gave you the correct information, it is upto you what you do with it - but dont you dare throw it back as information that must be wrong because you didnt know it already!.
The issue isnt the willingness of others to help out, it is the ability of you to learn new ideas. This industry is all about change and progression, if you cant move with the times and information, then you are a washout my ignorant com-padre.

I think you will find, that this attitude and point of view (you included APLASTICSPOON) is not tolerated in these forums, you are acting as trolls, causing petty fights and arguments with respected members such as Scott here, when all we have done it try to help you past your ignorance.

Good-Bye ladies.

JJ

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[quote]warsoe wrote:
Hi!

Which intensity is better during cardio for weight loss and still maintaining as much muscle as possible - walking, running or intervals? [/quote]

Burpees. Burpees

Do 10, rest 30 seconds, then 9 and so on. When you can start at 30 and do a ladder, you’ll be a killer.

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[quote]Christopheel wrote:
And JJ unless you’re the guy on your avatar why should I take as cash what you’re saying ? We don’t have right just to ask for some explanations or more knowledge here ?

I wasn’t asking you to convince me, I was just saying that I would come back after reading a bit more about it even If I was still convince (with the facts that I already know) that HIIT cardio has a tons more advantage over slow steady one …

[/quote]

I read the whole thread after posting the burpee info.
You were told what to do by top people, go fucking do it.

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@JJ when during the day would you recommend the LISSC?

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[quote]warsoe wrote:
@JJ when during the day would you recommend the LISSC? [/quote]

Anytime really…

If first thing, get some BCAA’s into you first to off set catabolism… um…

I like to do it after training, if i had a cardio machine at home, that would be great, but going to the gym at that time JUST for steady state! nooo!
So when i do it after training i do 20-40mins on an incline treadmill, then do 10 mins of posing… it is a great addition - THEN i have my post workout drink.

If you do it later in the day, without weights, then i think people advise to do it after not having eaten for a few hours - just 3-4 should do it. If longer, again do the BCAA’s, i probably would anyway just to be sure… they are likely to be a large part of your day if training/eating for stripping fat anyway i would imagine.

hope this helps… there are some great articles on T-Nation about that exact think… so a search too…

JJ

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Well, sorry. I didn’t wanted to reflect that “prove it to me” attitude and after asking a more experienced guy than I am and reading more and more.

Yes, depending on your HIIT intensity when all you carbs will be burn (witch comes very fast with High Intensity such as sprint) Your body will start using muscles tissues as energy source …

But this leads me to another question, do this “plan” looks alright to you ?

Training every other day lower/upper split. Two times a week incline walking ( In my case it’s in the street I have some big “mountain” to walk, 30mins a go up than I come back for my PWO ? ).

No carbs in the morning on walking days, only proteins was thinking on 8 egg whites + one yolk. Little carbs Post-Workout (After walking too ?) and training mornings. Looks okay to you ?

and thanks for the informations.

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[quote]warsoe wrote:
Hi!

Which intensity is better during cardio for weight loss and still maintaining as much muscle as possible - walking, running or intervals? [/quote]

I’m actually in competition mode right now, dieting and doing lot of cardio. I’m no expert, but here are my thoughts based on experience:

-When not in a competition phase, I like sprint work. I believe high intensity training is more effective than long durations of cardio in a “mass” phase
-When seriously trying to cut, cardio on an empty stomach has been very effective for me. That means cardio first thing in the morning. I’m wiling to live with a little muscle loss by doing this. Again, I’m doing longer, but less intense cardio in this phase
-For cardio, I like to vary between stationary bikes and the treadmill, using interval type work. For example, today I did 20 minutes on the bike, then switched over to the treadmill for an additional 20 minutes.
-I also like General Preparation work. For example, tire flips or sledgehammer work hitting a tire

The key is having a solid nutrition plan year round to avoid having to do long durations of cardio.

Hope this helps.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Scott M wrote:

I’d also add that I prefer cardio pre breakfast(but after some BCAA or small protein only shake), but anytime is better than none.

I do this too, but I have to question whether the insulin release from the BCAA and/or protein, is counterproductive to fat loss.

I guess the fact that the protein and/or BCAA is sparing to muscle makes it the thing to do.

As an ecto (albeit ‘assisted’) I am more concerned about preserving muscle, so I never train in a fasted state.

Bushy[/quote]

It does seem like a damned if you do damned if you don’t sort of thing. I’d rather burn slightly less fat and keep more muscle than burn slightly more fat and risk losing some muscle.