[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I have some lower back issues due to semi-permanent back pumps caused by steroid usage.
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??? dude, you usually contribute with good stuff, but this is crazy talk. If you have back pain I encourage you to solve it and not be content to accept it due to your self prescribed illogical reasons. I’m shooting down your reasoning in hopes that you stop embracing it as true and you solve your problems, not to be a message board know-it-all.
It really is one of the harder basic lifts to do. Give yourself time to learn it. After your normal sets, try doing a back-off set with a lighter weight, to reinforce the groove.
At some point it will click, and you’ll make some jumps in weight. Be careful with this lift though, it can cause injuries. I recommend not going to failure, and strict concentration.
Look around your gym, it’s not a popular lift. It takes some finesse and it takes time to find the groove, just give it enough time and keep at it. Some lifts, you have to do a lot of reps and put some time into it before you get it, and can push yourself hard.
[quote]Brad61 wrote:
I recently started doin these. I feel like a big wuss. Can’t go too heavy. I thought there would be more carryover from deading, cable rowing and lat pulldowns. Guess I was way wrong.
It really is one of the harder basic lifts to do. Give yourself time to learn it. After your normal sets, try doing a back-off set with a lighter weight, to reinforce the groove.
At some point it will click, and you’ll make some jumps in weight. Be careful with this lift though, it can cause injuries. I recommend not going to failure, and strict concentration.
Look around your gym, it’s not a popular lift. It takes some finesse and it takes time to find the groove, just give it enough time and keep at it. Some lifts, you have to do a lot of reps and put some time into it before you get it, and can push yourself hard.
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I agree. I hear its a good way to address some possible and wow!, obvious imbalances for benching. I used to not doing popular lifts. You know like deads and squats, some of the looks I get. The Starr Routine does have kind of a taper built in and I did readjust down to lighter. Put the ego away and learn the lifts, just like I did on the other ones. If its this hard to learn, it must be worth the ride. Safety first!
[quote]Keith Wassung wrote:
I believe that you should try and get as close to parallel as you can.
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Good post Keith but the quote above I dont agree with. I’m not saying its wrong. Its the fact that being bent at 90 degress wont allow someone to move the same amount of weight if you were at say 50-60 degrees. If you’re bent parallel to the floor it becomes a much larger multi-joint movement (glutes, hams, calves, etc) and the stability to move much heavier weights is diminished greatly. Not saying thats a bad thing but for someone wanting to really hit the back and isolate it more they shouldnt strive to be parallel but more in the range of 50 to 60 degrees. I think you had it dead on when you said 3-point stance.
Great information guys…i’ve needed to get tyhis bad boy ina routine for a long time…Ill let you know how it goes.!
[quote]Massif wrote:
I use a 45 degree angle with the underhand grip. The workout I will be doing this afternoon is as follows:
weighted chins 8x3
Bent over rows 6x6
Face Pulls 3x15
Weighted back extensions 5x8
Grip work.
It feels good and the weights keep going up, so I guess it’s working.[/quote]
That’s pretty much the same back routine I use.
To the OP… use differnet grips. Experiment with overhand and underhand, wide, narrow, and see which works the best. 45 degrees whould be ok. If you have problems going lower, you can support your chest on an incline bench if needed.