Benedict the 16th Resigns

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
It’s difficult to free the fools from the chains they revere. [/quote]

Especially the chains of Marxism and Communism.

Liberty has no chains, only the ones put on by yourself.[/quote]

The unconcealed intention of Marxism is to realize the ethics of the proletariat, that is, revolutionary class consciousness, by the supersession of the revolutionary class that is the bourgeoisie. The death of the bourgeoisie within a violent struggle is a historical necessity, and it’s approaching rather quickly. If you haven’t noticed the imperial phase of capital accumulation is rapidly agglomerating and subjugating the totality (that is, the whole of society seen as a process) as a commodified negation of life via total submission to the current epoch’s historical production of necessity.

Humanity won’t be happy until the last bureaucrat is hung with the guts of the last capitalist. To clarify, happiness is an objective condition rooted in the solidarity of man, and has very little whatsoever to do with subjective feelings.

Liberty is an abstract concept external to human needs and is entirely meaningless beyond its’ role as a representation of bourgeois ideology. You are consequently treating an abstract concept external to human needs as if it’s more important than your own life.

I’m making the assumption that you are all capable of acknowledging the fact that previous “communist” states were/are essentially capitalist bureaucracies, correct?

[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
It’s difficult to free the fools from the chains they revere. [/quote]

What chains?[/quote]

It’s alright. I would imagine that if you don’t move it’s relatively easy to not notice them. [/quote]

Avoiding the question.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
It’s difficult to free the fools from the chains they revere. [/quote]

What chains?[/quote]

It’s alright. I would imagine that if you don’t move it’s relatively easy to not notice them. [/quote]

Avoiding the question.[/quote]

The chains of work, ideology, group-think, university, spectacular consciousness, separation, in short, of existence as a spectator, a passive, mindless unit existing as consumption, production and contemplation.

“The spectacle is the bad dream of a society in chains that ultimately expresses nothing more than its’ wish for sleep.”

[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
It’s difficult to free the fools from the chains they revere. [/quote]

Especially the chains of Marxism and Communism.

Liberty has no chains, only the ones put on by yourself.[/quote]

The unconcealed intention of Marxism is to realize the ethics of the proletariat, that is, revolutionary class consciousness, by the supersession of the revolutionary class that is the bourgeoisie. The death of the bourgeoisie within a violent struggle is a historical necessity, and it’s approaching rather quickly. If you haven’t noticed the imperial phase of capital accumulation is rapidly agglomerating and subjugating the totality (that is, the whole of society seen as a process) as a commodified negation of life via total submission to the current epoch’s historical production of necessity.

Humanity won’t be happy until the last bureaucrat is hung with the guts of the last capitalist. To clarify, happiness is an objective condition rooted in the solidarity of man, and has very little whatsoever to do with subjective feelings.

Liberty is an abstract concept external to human needs and is entirely meaningless beyond its’ role as a representation of bourgeois ideology. You are consequently treating an abstract concept external to human needs as if it’s more important than your own life.

I’m making the assumption that you are all capable of acknowledging the fact that previous “communist” states were/are essentially capitalist bureaucracies, correct? [/quote]

[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
It’s difficult to free the fools from the chains they revere. [/quote]

What chains?[/quote]

It’s alright. I would imagine that if you don’t move it’s relatively easy to not notice them. [/quote]

Avoiding the question.[/quote]

The chains of work, ideology, group-think, university, spectacular consciousness, separation, in short, of existence as a spectator, a passive, mindless unit existing as consumption, production and contemplation.

“The spectacle is the bad dream of a society in chains that ultimately expresses nothing more than its’ wish for sleep.” [/quote]
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From USA Today:

Pope transfers top official amid speculation about report on Vatican leaks scandal.

The Italian media is reporting that Pope Benedict XVI resigned after receiving the results of an internal investigation, delivered in a 300-page, two-volume dossier, that laid bare a sordid tale of blackmail, corruption and gay sex at the Vatican.

The respected Italian newspaper La Repubblica reported Friday that the report stamped “Pontifical Secret,” contained “an exact map of the mischief and the bad fish” inside the Holy See.

The newspaper said the findings of the nine-month investigation, headed by Spanish cardinal, Julian Herranz , with the assistance of Cardinal Salvatore De Giorgi, former archbishop of Palermo, and Slovak cardinal Jozef Tomko, was delivered to the pope on Dec. 17, 2012.

"It was on that day, with those papers on his desk, that Benedict XVI took the decision he had mulled over for so long,‘’ the newspaper said.

La Repubblica said the panel drew upon “dozens and dozens” of interviews with bishops, cardinals and lay people. It said the pope was kept apprised of the investigation in weekly meetings from April until December. The final, bound in red leather, is being kept in a safe in the pope’s Vatican quarters, the newspaper said.

A similar story was carried by Panorama, a conservative weekly.

“What’s coming out is a very detailed X-ray of the Roman Curia that does not spare even the closest collaborators of the pope,” respected Vatican expert Ignazio Ingrao writes in Panorama. “The pope was no stranger to the intrigues, but he probably did not know that under his pontificate there was such a complex network and such intricate chains of personal interests and unmentionable relationships.”

A Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, has refused to comment on the reports.

"Neither the cardinals’ commission nor I will make comments to confirm or deny the things that are said about this matter. Let each one assume his or her own responsibilities. We shall not be following up on the observations that are made about this,‘’ Lombardi said, according to the German news agency Deutsche Presse-Agentur.

Pope Benedict XVI embraces children during a visit at the Fazenda da Esperanca, a facility for recovering drug addicts, on May 12, 2007, in Guaratingueta, Brazil. Franco Origlia, Getty Images Fullscreen

In announcing his resignation Feb. 11, Benedict said that he no longer had the “strength of mind and body” to carry on. A conclave will select a new pope next month.

Lombardi has indicated that Benedict would meet with the three cardinals before stepping down Feb. 28, in one of his final private audiences.

La Repubblica reported that the pope would personally hand the confidential files to his successor, with the hope he will be ‘‘strong, young and holy’’ enough to take the necessary action.

The investigation was triggered last May when the pope’s butler, Paolo Gabriele, was arrested and charged with having stolen and leaked papal correspondence that depicted the Vatican as a hotbed of intrigue.

The papers were published in a blockbuster book. The butler was convicted in October of aggravated theft, and later pardoned.

The three-man panel, according to La Repubblica, discovered an underground gay network whose members organized sexual meetings in several locations, including a villa outside Rome, a sauna in Rome’s Cuarto Miligo distirct and even in a beauty salon inside the Vatican.

The gatherings, in turn, left them open to blackmail from people outside the Vatican, the report said, according to the newspaper.

La Repubblica quoted an unidentified man described as ‘‘very close’’ to the authors of the dossier as saying it contained information about violations of the sixth and seventh commandments, which forbid adultery and stealing.

The British newspaper, The Guardian, notes that the sixth commandment also “is linked in Catholic doctrine to the proscribing of homosexual acts.”

The U.S. website, The Daily Beast, reports that investigative journalist Carmello Abbate went undercover with a hidden camera in 2010 in Rome to produce an expose called Good Nights Out for Gay Priests.

The scandal has erupted as the pope is clearing the decks of his pontificate, tweaking the rules of the conclave, finessing the religious rites used to launch the next papacy and making some eyebrow-raising final appointments before he retires next week.

The Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano said in editions published late Friday that Benedict had signed a decree earlier in the week making some changes to the papal installation Mass, separating out the actual rite of installation from the liturgy itself.

He is also studying the text of a separate document governing the rules of the conclave, though it’s not known if it will address the thorny issue of whether the election can begin earlier than March 15, by some interpretations the earliest the vote can start under the current rules.

And on Friday, the Vatican announced Benedict had transferred a top official in the secretariat of state, Monsignor Ettore Balestrero, to Colombia.

Some of the documents leaked in the midst of the “Vatileaks” scandal concerned differences of opinion about the level of financial transparency the Holy See should provide about the bank, the Institute for Religious Works. However, Balestrero himself wasn’t named in any significant way in the leaks.

Lombardi said Balestrero’s transfer had been months in the works, was a clear promotion and had nothing to do with what the Vatican considers baseless reporting.

From The Guardian UK

Papal resignation linked to inquiry into ‘Vatican gay officials’, says paper
Pope’s staff decline to confirm or deny La Repubblica claims linking ‘Vatileaks’ affair and discovery of ‘blackmailed gay clergy’
John Hooper in Rome
The Guardian, Thursday 21 February 2013

A potentially explosive report has linked the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI to the discovery of a network of gay prelates in the Vatican, some of whom ? the report said ? were being blackmailed by outsiders.

The pope’s spokesman declined to confirm or deny the report, which was carried by the Italian daily newspaper La Repubblica.

The paper said the pope had taken the decision on 17 December that he was going to resign ? the day he received a dossier compiled by three cardinals delegated to look into the so-called “Vatileaks” affair.

Last May Pope Benedict’s butler, Paolo Gabriele, was arrested and charged with having stolen and leaked papal correspondence that depicted the Vatican as a seething hotbed of intrigue and infighting.

According to La Repubblica, the dossier comprising “two volumes of almost 300 pages ? bound in red” had been consigned to a safe in the papal apartments and would be delivered to the pope’s successor upon his election.

The newspaper said the cardinals described a number of factions, including one whose members were “united by sexual orientation”.

In an apparent quotation from the report, La Repubblica said some Vatican officials had been subject to “external influence” from laymen with whom they had links of a “worldly nature”. The paper said this was a clear reference to blackmail.

It quoted a source “very close to those who wrote [the cardinal’s report]” as saying: “Everything revolves around the non-observance of the sixth and seventh commandments.”

The seventh enjoins against theft. The sixth forbids adultery, but is linked in Catholic doctrine to the proscribing of homosexual acts.

La Repubblica said the cardinals’ report identified a series of meeting places in and around Rome. They included a villa outside the Italian capital, a sauna in a Rome suburb, a beauty parlour in the centre, and a former university residence that was in use by a provincial Italian archbishop.

Father Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, said: “Neither the cardinals’ commission nor I will make comments to confirm or deny the things that are said about this matter. Let each one assume his or her own responsibilities. We shall not be following up on the observations that are made about this.”

He added that interpretations of the report were creating “a tension that is the opposite of what the pope and the church want” in the approach to the conclave of cardinals that will elect Benedict’s successor. Another Italian daily, Corriere della Sera, alluded to the dossier soon after the pope announced his resignation on 11 February, describing its contents as “disturbing”.

The three-man commission of inquiry into the Vatileaks affair was headed by a Spanish cardinal, Julián Herranz. He was assisted by Cardinal Salvatore De Giorgi, a former archbishop of Palermo, and the Slovak cardinal Jozef Tomko, who once headed the Vatican’s department for missionaries.

Pope Benedict has said he will stand down at the end of this month; the first pope to resign voluntarily since Celestine V more than seven centuries ago. Since announcing his departure he has twice apparently referred to machinations inside the Vatican, saying that divisions “mar the face of the church”, and warned against “the temptations of power”.

La Repubblica’s report was the latest in a string of claims that a gay network exists in the Vatican. In 2007 a senior official was suspended from the congregation, or department, for the priesthood, after he was filmed in a “sting” organised by an Italian television programme while apparently making sexual overtures to a younger man.

In 2010 a chorister was dismissed for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for a papal gentleman-in-waiting. A few months later a weekly news magazine used hidden cameras to record priests visiting gay clubs and bars and having sex.

The Vatican does not condemn homosexuals. But it teaches that gay sex is “intrinsically disordered”. Pope Benedict has barred sexually active gay men from studying for the priesthood.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...ckmail-inquiry

[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]TyroneSlothrop wrote:
It’s difficult to free the fools from the chains they revere. [/quote]

What chains?[/quote]

It’s alright. I would imagine that if you don’t move it’s relatively easy to not notice them. [/quote]

Avoiding the question.[/quote]

The chains of work, ideology, group-think, university, spectacular consciousness, separation, in short, of existence as a spectator, a passive, mindless unit existing as consumption, production and contemplation.

“The spectacle is the bad dream of a society in chains that ultimately expresses nothing more than its’ wish for sleep.” [/quote]

So, what is your solution to these chains? How do we break them?

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
From The Guardian UK

Papal resignation linked to inquiry into ‘Vatican gay officials’, says paper
Pope’s staff decline to confirm or deny La Repubblica claims linking ‘Vatileaks’ affair and discovery of ‘blackmailed gay clergy’
John Hooper in Rome
The Guardian, Thursday 21 February 2013

A potentially explosive report has linked the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI to the discovery of a network of gay prelates in the Vatican, some of whom ? the report said ? were being blackmailed by outsiders.

The pope’s spokesman declined to confirm or deny the report, which was carried by the Italian daily newspaper La Repubblica.

The paper said the pope had taken the decision on 17 December that he was going to resign ? the day he received a dossier compiled by three cardinals delegated to look into the so-called “Vatileaks” affair.

Last May Pope Benedict’s butler, Paolo Gabriele, was arrested and charged with having stolen and leaked papal correspondence that depicted the Vatican as a seething hotbed of intrigue and infighting.

According to La Repubblica, the dossier comprising “two volumes of almost 300 pages ? bound in red” had been consigned to a safe in the papal apartments and would be delivered to the pope’s successor upon his election.

The newspaper said the cardinals described a number of factions, including one whose members were “united by sexual orientation”.

In an apparent quotation from the report, La Repubblica said some Vatican officials had been subject to “external influence” from laymen with whom they had links of a “worldly nature”. The paper said this was a clear reference to blackmail.

It quoted a source “very close to those who wrote [the cardinal’s report]” as saying: “Everything revolves around the non-observance of the sixth and seventh commandments.”

The seventh enjoins against theft. The sixth forbids adultery, but is linked in Catholic doctrine to the proscribing of homosexual acts.

La Repubblica said the cardinals’ report identified a series of meeting places in and around Rome. They included a villa outside the Italian capital, a sauna in a Rome suburb, a beauty parlour in the centre, and a former university residence that was in use by a provincial Italian archbishop.

Father Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, said: “Neither the cardinals’ commission nor I will make comments to confirm or deny the things that are said about this matter. Let each one assume his or her own responsibilities. We shall not be following up on the observations that are made about this.”

He added that interpretations of the report were creating “a tension that is the opposite of what the pope and the church want” in the approach to the conclave of cardinals that will elect Benedict’s successor. Another Italian daily, Corriere della Sera, alluded to the dossier soon after the pope announced his resignation on 11 February, describing its contents as “disturbing”.

The three-man commission of inquiry into the Vatileaks affair was headed by a Spanish cardinal, Julián Herranz. He was assisted by Cardinal Salvatore De Giorgi, a former archbishop of Palermo, and the Slovak cardinal Jozef Tomko, who once headed the Vatican’s department for missionaries.

Pope Benedict has said he will stand down at the end of this month; the first pope to resign voluntarily since Celestine V more than seven centuries ago. Since announcing his departure he has twice apparently referred to machinations inside the Vatican, saying that divisions “mar the face of the church”, and warned against “the temptations of power”.

La Repubblica’s report was the latest in a string of claims that a gay network exists in the Vatican. In 2007 a senior official was suspended from the congregation, or department, for the priesthood, after he was filmed in a “sting” organised by an Italian television programme while apparently making sexual overtures to a younger man.

In 2010 a chorister was dismissed for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for a papal gentleman-in-waiting. A few months later a weekly news magazine used hidden cameras to record priests visiting gay clubs and bars and having sex.

The Vatican does not condemn homosexuals. But it teaches that gay sex is “intrinsically disordered”. Pope Benedict has barred sexually active gay men from studying for the priesthood.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...ckmail-inquiry[/quote]

Interesting, his brother said he made the decision March 2012. I’ll take a family members statement over speculation by someone who has no connection with the man. Though, I’d like to hear his own words on the matter.

This article explains a little bit about the nonsense going around about the reason for his resignation.

This was the first thing that popped up in my head when I read those two articles. I’m no Catholic and the feeling I got is that it was sensationalism at its finest.


"The priests, it seems, are allegedly being blackmailed by a network of male prostitutes who worked at a sauna in Romeâ??s Quarto Miglio district, a health spa in the city center, and a private residence once entrusted to a prominent archbishop. The evidence reportedly includes compromising photos and videos of the prelatesâ??sometimes caught on film in drag, and, in some cases, caught â??in the act.â??

And to think I used to donate significant money to these people! Never again! Not a single penny! If one penny from me meant saving this organisation from vanishing, I would not give it.

Also from The Guardian:

The Vatican has attacked reports in the Italian media linking Pope Benedict XVI’s resignation to the alleged discovery of a network of gay prelates as attempts to influence the cardinals in their choice of a new pontiff.

The Vatican secretariat of state said in a statement: “It is deplorable that as we draw closer to the time of the beginning of the conclave ? that there be a widespread distribution of often unverified, unverifiable or completely false news stories that cause serious damage to persons and institutions.”

The statement was made as Pope Benedict XVI had his final meeting with senior clerics, lamenting the “evil, suffering and corruption” that have defaced God’s creation in a final address to Vatican officials.

Benedict spoke on Saturday at the end of a week-long spiritual retreat coinciding with Lent, the period of 40 days (excluding Sundays) leading up to Easter. For the past week, Italian cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi has led the Vatican on meditations that have covered everything from the family to denouncing the “divisions, dissent, careerism, jealousies” that afflict the Vatican bureaucracy.

Ravasi’s blunt critique of the dysfunction within the Vatican Curia comes as cardinals from around the world are arriving for the final days of Benedict’s papacy and the conclave to elect his successor. Bureaucratic reform is a high priority for the next pope.

The pontiff’s speech follows a report that has linked his resignation to the discovery of a network of gay prelates in the Vatican, some of whom have reportedly been targeted by blackmailers.

The Italian daily newspaper La Republica said the pope decided to resign on 17 December ? the day he received a dossier compiled by three cardinals delegated to look into the so-called “Vatileaks” affair.

Last May Pope Benedict’s butler, Paolo Gabriele, was arrested and charged with stealing leaked papal correspondence that depicted the Vatican as a seething hotbed of intrigue and infighting.

The newspaper said the cardinals described a number of factions, including one whose members were “united by sexual orientation”. It added that some Vatican officials had been subjected to “external influence” from laymen with whom they had links of a “worldly nature”. La Republica said this was a clear reference to blackmail.

Jist perfect. Dolan could be the next pope. An American Pope? Cardinal Dolan may charm his way to Vatican | Fox News

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Jist perfect. Dolan could be the next pope. An American Pope? Cardinal Dolan may charm his way to Vatican | Fox News [/quote]

I have to admit, I like Dolan’s Humor, Whit, and his fire. That man will not lie down when the RCC is attacked. He is taking Obama head on with Obamacare.

Why don’t they lock the Cardinals in the room till they pick someone. Just God and the Cardinals. They would be fasting and getting to know each other better, so they pick the right man.

I read they get a hotel room, and eat normally. What a cush job.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Why don’t they lock the Cardinals in the room till they pick someone. Just God and the Cardinals. They would be fasting and getting to know each other better, so they pick the right man.

I read they get a hotel room, and eat normally. What a cush job. [/quote]

Who would lock the Cardinals in the room?

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Why don’t they lock the Cardinals in the room till they pick someone. Just God and the Cardinals. They would be fasting and getting to know each other better, so they pick the right man.

I read they get a hotel room, and eat normally. What a cush job. [/quote]

Who would lock the Cardinals in the room?[/quote]
OOOO OOOO pick me!!!

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Why don’t they lock the Cardinals in the room till they pick someone. Just God and the Cardinals. They would be fasting and getting to know each other better, so they pick the right man.

I read they get a hotel room, and eat normally. What a cush job. [/quote]

Who would lock the Cardinals in the room?[/quote]

How about a cute nun? You also did not answer the question.

They have a new pope. Don’t know who yet.