"I disagree with you on this – or at least on how we’d describe ‘extreme’. There’s a difference between ‘extreme music’ and ‘extreme musicianship’. The only things I see as being extreme are the speed, the volume, and the persona. Brutality is the goal, and they achieve it. However, there are several other elements of music which they don’t seem to explore in much (if any) depth.
When I think ‘pushing the envelope’ musically, speed is only one component – and pretty much the last thing I’d take note of. Of the three components of music – rhythm, harmony, and melody – these bands are only ‘extreme’ in regards to their use of rhythm. "
not that all bands are like this. But many are. When listening to said genre I like old arch enemy, carcass, at the gates, btbam. death and cannibal corpse are usually playing during any given halo session.
OK fellas,so I gotta admit I’m a bit jaded – I’m not blown away by guitar chops, I’ve seen it too often. It’s the INTENSITY of the message. Music is art, right? So what kills me is when someone can take music and turn it on its head - and STILL be so GODDAMN unique. That’s brilliance. It has nothing to do with technique, nothing to do with volume, nothing to do with anything other than the SOUL that comes across. I know I’m posting to a bunch of metalheads at this point (which I love because I’m a metalhead too, I swear…)
I find the extreme in people like Tom Waits, Daniel Johnston, Townes Van Zandt. They, to me, represent the extreme end of musical expression. If it’s not your thing, it’s all good – most people don’t like it. But if you do ‘get it’ you may find a lifelong treasure.
As a sidenote you can never hurt yourself by listening to too much Tom Waits…
[quote]SinisterMinister wrote:
OK fellas,so I gotta admit I’m a bit jaded – I’m not blown away by guitar chops, I’ve seen it too often. It’s the INTENSITY of the message. Music is art, right? So what kills me is when someone can take music and turn it on its head - and STILL be so GODDAMN unique. That’s brilliance. It has nothing to do with technique, nothing to do with volume, nothing to do with anything other than the SOUL that comes across. I know I’m posting to a bunch of metalheads at this point (which I love because I’m a metalhead too, I swear…)
I find the extreme in people like Tom Waits, Daniel Johnston, Townes Van Zandt. They, to me, represent the extreme end of musical expression. If it’s not your thing, it’s all good – most people don’t like it. But if you do ‘get it’ you may find a lifelong treasure.
As a sidenote you can never hurt yourself by listening to too much Tom Waits…[/quote]
You know you and I have similiar music tastes. I listen to Tom Waits semi religiously haha. However the only thing we differ is our definition of extreme; I can see where you’re coming from, and I think you can see where I am. I consider the stuff you posted more as art, rather than plain ol’ music. Take that as a compliament since I hold those artists you posted in a high regard.
P.S. I’ll take that Gilbert and Raise you Jason Becker
Lack of talent doesn’t mean no talent. There just simply aren’t as many top tier guys in the genre IMO. I would love to see more bands with that kind of talent.
This is where you are wrong. Many of the most technically proficient guys in the entire rock world play some form of extreme metal simply because it allows for the envelope to be pushed the farthest. Death Metal is a lot like Pro Bodybuilding. Its all about pushing the envelope and bringing the most extreme package possible.[/quote]
Your wrong, the most technically proficient guys actually want to make money and get girls so they move to pop rock/country and “session” work when they grow out of metal. If you wanna make money and actually get laid metal probably is not the genre to pick. I love metal so don’t take my comments the wrong way but sadly this is reality.
Your wrong, the most technically proficient guys actually want to make money and get girls so they move to pop rock/country and “session” work when they grow out of metal. If you wanna make money and actually get laid metal probably is not the genre to pick. I love metal so don’t take my comments the wrong way but sadly this is reality.[/quote]
So being a good player technically automatically want to make money or get girls? Sorry, I dont see how that lines up at all besides for some guys are good musicians, go do something besides metal to make money/get girls and some guys are good musicians and they keep playing what they want. Being technically proficient has nothing to do with wanting to make money and get girls.
