[quote]scottkoscielniak wrote:
Wow did this de-rail. I thought they made different federations for different preferences(gear, drug tested, etc…)? Thats why elite numbers are different for each federation…Either way to become elite or even close in any federation takes someone with the right attitude and an openness to certain types of training. Bottom line if you get white lights for arching or rounding then it is not cheating. I just shake my head at most of the comments on here about what constitutes cheating and good advice on this thread. OP I wish you the best of luck. I was in your shoes with an 1000 gym total when I started 1 1/2 years ago. I was the same height and weight as you. I have made huge strides listening to some of the more advanced lifters on this forum. My advice look at the stats of the person giving advice. If they compete and total close to or above elite listen to them. If they dont compete and have average gym lifts dont listen. Best of luck and seriously look at some of the elite or close to elite level logs in the training section so you know what it really takes to reach your goal.[/quote]
Elite numbers are relatively the same for most federations the only difference being raw and equipped levels. [/quote]
yes they are, I was just saying for instance if you want to do 100% raw which is basically a belt and wrist wraps the elite total is slightly lower than say SPF raw which allows knee wraps. That way if the lifter thinks that knee wraps are not “raw” he could choose that fed and the elite total is slightly lower. Either way its difficult to get to. Different strokes for different folks.
[quote]alocubano1110 wrote:
Lots of ways to pass drug tests. Olympic athletes do it all the time. I’m sorry, but i just can’t respect someone that uses steroids and tries to pass off that they’re natural. If they admit it that’s fine.
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John Koenig: “Do you use anabolics?”
Ed Coan: “I have. I don’t think anyone is going to squat over a thousand pounds if they don’t use a little something, whether it be for recovery or whatever.”
I don’t juice either, but I think it’s pretty ridiculous not to respect people like Ed Coan for their strength accomplishments. Powerlifters back in those days didn’t use steroids in the same quantity or potency as say a bodybuilder today who is completely drugged out of his skull. True they still used them, but they also built real strength lifting a lot of insanely heavy weight.
[quote]scottkoscielniak wrote:
Wow did this de-rail. I thought they made different federations for different preferences(gear, drug tested, etc…)? Thats why elite numbers are different for each federation…Either way to become elite or even close in any federation takes someone with the right attitude and an openness to certain types of training. Bottom line if you get white lights for arching or rounding then it is not cheating. I just shake my head at most of the comments on here about what constitutes cheating and good advice on this thread. OP I wish you the best of luck. I was in your shoes with an 1000 gym total when I started 1 1/2 years ago. I was the same height and weight as you. I have made huge strides listening to some of the more advanced lifters on this forum. My advice look at the stats of the person giving advice. If they compete and total close to or above elite listen to them. If they dont compete and have average gym lifts dont listen. Best of luck and seriously look at some of the elite or close to elite level logs in the training section so you know what it really takes to reach your goal.[/quote]
Elite numbers are relatively the same for most federations the only difference being raw and equipped levels. [/quote]
yes they are, I was just saying for instance if you want to do 100% raw which is basically a belt and wrist wraps the elite total is slightly lower than say SPF raw which allows knee wraps. That way if the lifter thinks that knee wraps are not “raw” he could choose that fed and the elite total is slightly lower. Either way its difficult to get to. Different strokes for different folks.[/quote]
Hmm I guess most of the federations I’ve checked they always seem to be the same. I’m in agreement that they should be different but I just had never seen that in practice. Everytime I check elite classification for 181’s it was always 1396 lbs.
[quote]alocubano1110 wrote:
Like I said you if you want shorten the ROM as much as possible go for it. My opinion will always be that it’s cutting corners, at least that’s how I’d feel if I were to do that.
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Wide stance, back arch, etc… These things do shorten the range of motion. Why is that “cutting corners” though? There is nothing wrong with using the most efficient range of motion possible for your lifts.
By the same token I could say YOU are cutting corners. You use an excessive range of motion on lifts which prevents you from lifting heavier, therefore you are cutting corners on weight.
Obviously it’s just preference and everyone is free to use the lifting style they prefer. But don’t fucking act like people are cutting corners by using a lot of back arch on their bench press. If your theory about cutting corners were correct then you would be stronger than the arched back benchers here. But you aren’t. Your method is not superior, only different.
[quote]scottkoscielniak wrote:
Wow did this de-rail. I thought they made different federations for different preferences(gear, drug tested, etc…)? Thats why elite numbers are different for each federation…Either way to become elite or even close in any federation takes someone with the right attitude and an openness to certain types of training. Bottom line if you get white lights for arching or rounding then it is not cheating. I just shake my head at most of the comments on here about what constitutes cheating and good advice on this thread. OP I wish you the best of luck. I was in your shoes with an 1000 gym total when I started 1 1/2 years ago. I was the same height and weight as you. I have made huge strides listening to some of the more advanced lifters on this forum. My advice look at the stats of the person giving advice. If they compete and total close to or above elite listen to them. If they dont compete and have average gym lifts dont listen. Best of luck and seriously look at some of the elite or close to elite level logs in the training section so you know what it really takes to reach your goal.[/quote]
Elite numbers are relatively the same for most federations the only difference being raw and equipped levels. [/quote]
yes they are, I was just saying for instance if you want to do 100% raw which is basically a belt and wrist wraps the elite total is slightly lower than say SPF raw which allows knee wraps. That way if the lifter thinks that knee wraps are not “raw” he could choose that fed and the elite total is slightly lower. Either way its difficult to get to. Different strokes for different folks.[/quote]
The 100% RAW totals are actually higher than SPF (and most other feds) in the heavier weight classes, and lower in the lighter weight classes.
[quote]alocubano1110 wrote:
I’ll leave the thread alone. If you guys want to keep trying to change my mind pm me. I’m sure you’ll have me strapping on triple ply suits and shirts, wrist wraps, straps, knee wraps, mouth guards, belts, and steroids from now on. Shame on me for disagreeing with the gear monkeys[/quote]
