[quote]BigRedMachine87 wrote:
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
[quote]alocubano1110 wrote:
I know i’m fucking hilarious.
It’s not about lifting the most weight no matter what. At least not for EVERYONE. That is YOUR goal. Some people want to lift CONVENTIONAL deadlifts because that’s how they want to achieve their elite goals.
Myself I’d love to compete and get over 400 on the bench in competition. BUT my goal is to do it with the slight arch I use in training. I’d get more pleasure from that. Because it’s what I desire. If I just do ‘whatever’ it takes I wont be satisfied. Not everyone is willing to use whatever form possible or gain whatever weight possible to reach their goals in powerlifting.
Don’t be so fucking close-minded.[/quote]
In powerlifting it is about lifting the most weight within the constraints of the federation rules - i.e. tested, non tested, wraps no wraps (all this in terms of raw obviously).
You tell people to not be close-minded yet in saying you won’t arch and those that do are cheaters (plenty of good lifters without an arch - just using this as an example) or the OP saying that he won’t sumo - when in reality it may be a great assistance lift for his conventional deadlift is simply “close-minded”.
The OP claims he wants to be an elite lifter, yet he outright refuses to look at some of the tried and true methods of doing so. This is as inane as some 150 lb kid going to the bodybuilding forum saying he wants to be a pro level IFBB bodybuilder but only wants to “lean gain” and never lose his six pack. I think we’ve both seen that happen before and both know where that leads…to a lot of crushed dreams and excuses as to why they never accomplished them.
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I can reach my goals without doing sumo lifts. I can meet my goals with weighing 295. Yes, I am refusing sumo lifts, because I don’t want to get there that way, if you got there that way, then awesome. I’ve added over 450 pounds to my total since the end of last year, and there are some things I’m not willing to do to add to that. The next 450 pounds I add to my total will also be without doing sumo lifts.
But that doesn’t matter, I didn’t say I didn’t like sumo to turn this into a big trolling flame thread, I thought if I said the things I did and didn’t want, it would narrow things down. There’s no point in someone typing out a one hundred word post on their sumo lifting experience, cause I’m really not interested in that.
Everyone has their own goals and their own ways to get there. I’m open to things, some things I’m not. Why not just encourage me, instead of telling me I’m not dedicated, like that one guy. A lot of people never even get to a 400+ squat, I know that isn’t much for this site, but this site makes up a small percent of people. My point is, the gains I have made so far show I’m dedicated, just because I have my preferences, doesn’t mean I can’t reach my goals.[/quote]
If you were saying you refuse to use steroids I’d understand your logic. I’m not even saying compete with a sumo stance, I was simply saying don’t toss out a lift that you can use as an accessory lift that makes your conventional deadlift better. I know if I train my sumo deadlift my conventional goes up because I have stronger hips - just as frankjl said. Might want to consider that two elite level powerlifters are giving you that exact same advice. Neither of us are saying to compete using sumo - I don’t, simply don’t throw out a lift that may help you on your big 3. The same could be said for board presses, chains, bands, etc. Is all either of us were getting at is to not limit yourself in ways to help you improve your big 3. You saying you refuse to use sumo is in my mind the same as saying you refuse to use boards or chains or bands or any variation of the big 3 that may help you. I’d get your logic or that logic in general if a specific movement was painful or you were simply unable to do so if you didn’t have access to the equipment.
Yes you have done well to get your total up but a lot of that is due to where you were coming from. I’m not knocking on your progress - it’s good but it’s nothing out of the norm in powerlifting. I’m not going to just motivate you or encourage you because honestly what took you from a 675 total to going just over 1000 isn’t going to be what takes you from 1000 to 1400. If it were I’d be the first to tell you and would love to encourage you down that path. This is the reason myself and others bring up the points we have - not that sumo is great - simply that you’ll have to find multiple ways to BUILD your big 3. Anyone can train their big 3 up to a 1000 by squatting/benching/deadlifting but getting to an elite level almost always requires different/additional ways of training once your body becomes efficient at those lifts.
You said you know a lot of people that never make it to a 400+ squat. You’re correct. But who cares? Even on this site - which is a small subset of the lifting community doesn’t have a lot of people get to elite level in powerlifting. I’m not trying to knock you down, simply being realistic and trying to get you to think about your training in a different more open-minded way as someone who has already traveled that path.
How did you find out?!!