BDE's BB Comp and Cycle Log

Pharma / TRT
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Well, I was asked by several T-Nation members to keep a log of up and coming cycle, and I also like to hear comments and help from others about my log because I’m no guru at this complex subject yet.

I also decided to make a log of my last few weeks of dieting down for a bodybuilding competition I will be entering. This will be my first ever competition.

Ok, here’s the cycle:

Week 1 - 4: 30mg Dbol/ED
Week 1 - 12: 300mg Test E/E3D
Week 1 - 10: 50mg Tren Ace/ED

Then stasis taper. I also have Adex and HCG ran throughout the cycle. It’s not your typical “500mg Test E” for a first cycle, but oh well. I’m damn close to my natural limit unlike a lot of other steroid users which I feel gives me that 1-up on those 150lb, 20% bf guys that get the same recommendation.

The Tren Ace will be started at 50mg per day and then will be increased by 5mg per day until I either find my tolerance to it or I reach 75mg per day, which would be a dose equal to 3/4 my weekly Test E dose. I don’t want to pass that dose regardless of whether I feel I could take more or not.

Anyhow, that’s my cycle.

As for my BB competition coming up, here are my stats as of now:

Height: 6’2"
Weight: 223.7
BF: 4.5%

I have 3 weeks and change to get ready for my competition, which is on August 9th. I’m going to be pretty crammed for the next few weeks, so I won’t get into too much detail about training and nutrition.

Just trust me that I’m solid on those. No one’s gonna get down to less than 5%BF without knowing what they’re doing haha. This log will be updated every few days about how I’m doing, weight, BF%, other changes, etc. But once the cycle starts up, expect a more detailed log.

I’ll ask questions though if I have any. If you have any for me that won’t require too long of a response to answer, feel free to ask those as well.

And I am sorry to say that I can’t post pictures. I have an internship at a company I cannot name, and I would be in trouble if they found any such pictures of me on the net. No emails either.

Again, any questions or comments or help you would like to give me for my cycle, feel free to put them out there.

This is my official cycle log for the next God knows how long (7ish months), so enjoy!

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Unless you are tattooed from head to toe, I cannot see why you can’t put up a couple of pictures of your torso or chest, or a quad or an arm or something.

I’m not calling bullshit on you, BDE, I like your posts and you seem like a reasoned, smart guy, but your stats are pretty well crazy, and not even having touched AAS before.

It is going to be a lot more motivating for everyone to follow this thread if we can see your starting point and follow it to your finish. If you look like you say you do, you are a major rarity and something the likes of this board will hardly ever see: a genetic monster starting his first cycle of AAS.

And, for the record, this is from someone who ALWAYS posts his own pics in his own cycle logs.

Second thing, I cannot necessarily agree with your adding tren into your first cycle, and, especially if you are as genetically blessed as you say you are, I do not see any need for it, but if you choose to, well, I will certainly enjoy following the process.

Last thing. What kind of ancillaries do you have on hand in case of prolactin induced tren gyno (or is it progesterone? I’m never sure)?
B6? Cabergoline? Bromocriptine?

Good luck with your show, sounds like you are going to kick some serious ass. Is this first show drug tested?

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The show isn’t drug tested. I have both Caber and B6 ready for Prolactin sides. I’ll be more than willing to post measurements and weight for my log all along the way. Sent you a PM.

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I surely advice you to get some caber. As B6 and adex just doesnt cut it. Currently somewhere mid week 5 at 50mg day of tren along with some other goodies and there absolutely is some extra tissue there that wasnt a couple weeks back.

In previous cycles I have done the little bit that is there now goes away post cycle. I know many are not the same.

Im also not attempting to call bs on your stats however do you really know what 220+ lbs at 4.5% bf looks like?

Im unsure as to when you plan to start this proposed cycle. Post competition or now?

Good luck on your first show, should be an interesting read to follow along with.

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I’m not here to argue my stats. I PM’d Cortes with the reason why I can’t post pics. If you want the more detailed reason, ask him. Cycle starts August 23rdish. I have to check my schedule.

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PM received, and yes, it is a very valid reason. I’ll go ahead and take you at your word.

Good luck and I look forward to following this log.

Would you mind posting your current diet and training split?

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
PM received, and yes, it is a very valid reason. I’ll go ahead and take you at your word.

Good luck and I look forward to following this log.

Would you mind posting your current diet and training split?[/quote]

Hi, I went to college with BDE for his senior year and I live with him. Here’s his diet since he’s at a meeting right now. He showed this to me for me to base my diet off of.

[quote]

Drugs taken:

Clenbuterol: 120mg per day
Caffeine: 500mg per day
Benadryl: 1 dose before bed (actually don’t remember the mg, will have to look it up, but whatever. It works)

Diet:

Meal 1:

25g BCAA’s
1 serving of Superfood
5 Flameout capsules

Meal 2:

16oz Lemon Juice, no water added

Meal 3: (PWO meal)

1 Banana
1 Apple
2 Scoops of ON 100% Whey Protein
5g of German Micronized Creatine
1 Serving of Biotest Superfood
2 HOT-ROX Extreme Capsules
1 Multivitamin Tablets
5 Flameout Capsules
2 Beta-7 Tablets
1 1/2 cups of Rolled Oats

Meal 4

1 Fish Fillet
3 oz broccoli
1/4 Cup of Almonds
5 Flameout capsules

Meal 5

1 Chicken Breast
3 oz Spinach
2 Beta 7 Tablets
1/4 Cup powdered flax seeds
5 Flameout capsules

Meal 6

1 Fish Fillet
3 oz carrots
1/4 Cup of Almonds
5 Flameout capsules

Meal 7

1 Chicken Breast
3 oz peppers
5 Flameout Capsules
2 HOT-ROX Extreme Capsules
1 Tablespoon of Olive Oil
2 Beta 7 Tablets

Meal 8

2 Scoops of Regular Metabolic Drive Protein Blend
1 Tablespoon of Olive Oil
5 Flameout Capsules

Training:

Day 1: Legs, Shoulders
Day 2: Chest, Biceps
Day 3: Back, Triceps
Day 4: Forearms, Calves, Traps
Day 5: Rest

Not going to get too detailed into training like what I do set-by-set, because I switch it up every few weeks anyway in terms of what exercises are placed where. For the past 5 weeks, I’ve kept all of my rep work below 8, and will keep it that way until I reach the competition.

I use your basic compounds like deadlift, squat, bench, shoulder press, rows, pull ups, dips, skull-crushers, leg curls, leg extensions, lunges, leg press, arm curls, raises, shrugs, calf raises and all of their variations with barbells, dumbbells, incline, decline, flat, seated, standing, stance, etc. You get the idea.

I mix up my routine every few weeks, but I generally do 15 sets total for each body part for each body part for a total of 30 sets every workout except for the 4th one, in which I do 45 sets. Everything is supersetted to save time. Rest periods are 3 - 5 minutes.

I do cardio between meals 1 and 2 as well as right after my workout. 20 minutes of HIIT each time. First time is on the road, 2nd time is on a treadmill.

Carbs are pretty much loaded right into the PWO meal to replenish glycogen stores, and then mostly fiber is taken in the rest of the day. I take in tons of healthy fats and whatnot and the fishoil is megadosed to help with fat loss.

I’m very energetic throughout the day between the Clen and Caffeine. Sometimes I get surges of energy where I almost feel I need to flip out, but I control those by clenching my fists. At least I know the Clen is working. Sleep is fine. I am taking Benadryl with the Clen so I can hopefully last up to the competition.

You’re probably wondering about the Lemon Juice. Let’s put it this way: I’ve never found a more effective pre-workout drink in my life. If you’re hardcore enough to drink it, you’ll feel like a million bucks. Google the health benefits of lemon juice as well. It cleanses the body of impurities among many other things. I highly recommend it, even if you have to mix it with water. It helps me wake up and get me pumped for the workout ahead.

Check out this link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/1057491/Lemon-Juice-Cleanse-7-Health-Benefits-of-The-Lemon-Juice-Cleanse

I’m sure there are more health benefits than that too.

And there you have it. Simple, yet effective. The diet is around 2,500 calories.[/quote]

This is his diet. He told me I could post it up for him because he’s at work right now. He’ll be back later to comment and elaborate I’m sure.

Also Cortes. His reason is real for the record. I’ve been following your log as well. BDE showed it to me and it looks like you’re my kind of man. In a few more years, I will follow in your footsteps hopefully. :slight_smile:

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[quote]drummerofgod89 wrote:

Meal 2:

16oz Lemon Juice, no water added
[/quote]

Really?

EDIT: Sorry, jumped the gun on your explanation. Still. Wow.

Also, I hope you brush your teeth after if you want more than just a mouth full of stubby nerve endings.

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Yup, that’s the diet, except I missed adding 5g more of creatine for the first meal of the day when I typed that. But the rest is right.

lol yeah Cortes, my mouth is pretty used to the lemon juice, but I still use mouth wash and drink water afterwards to flush it all down. It’s low in sugar too despite what people think. Only about 12g in that drink.

I first got into drinking lemon juice when my friend and I challenged each other to drinking a full 64 oz bottle of lemon juice each. He and I challenged each other to all kinds of things like who could fill up their IV bag first while donating blood and other stupid shit.

This was just over the top, though. That was more hardcore than the gallon challenge (the 1 gallon of milk in an hour deal) and the bottle of maple syrup challenge.

You’ll get used to it after a while, though. I used to have to chug it and now I can just drink it normally.

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Not to turn your thread into a lemon drinking thread (eeeeewwww…), but I was more worried about the citric adic in the juice playing hell on your teeth than the sugar.

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It’s only for a minute, then it’s all washed out of the mouth. It’s not that bad. :slight_smile:

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BDE considered moving the dbol to weeks 3-6 once your test begins to build saturation?

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[quote]saps wrote:
BDE considered moving the dbol to weeks 3-6 once your test begins to build saturation?[/quote]

I could always run the Dbol for the first 6 weeks that way I get to benefit from both using the Dbol as a kickstart and use its synergy with the test and tren for a few weeks. The synergy would probably be amazing.

Just thinking of the idea of my body becoming pumped from doing daily activities makes me drool. That could definitely work. Two more weeks at that dose won’t destroy me liver, especially since I don’t drink. What do you think of running Dbol for the first 6 weeks, saps?

Also, do you think that .25mg of adex EOD will be enough to combat the test and dbol at those doses?

Anyhow, here’s an update:

My body is beginning to get weaker. I am really noticing the strength leaving my body while at this low of a bodyfat %. It really sucks. Bench is down from 425 to barely even 3 45’s and a 35 as of today. Squat and Dead aren’t suffering quite as bad, but still 20 - 30 lbs lower than usual. Just in general all weights are a little lower. I started noticing strength losses around 6% BF.

Is this severe strength loss pretty normal once you get down below 5% BF? I remember hearing from someone that they were “as weak as a kitten” when they cut for a comp.

Three to five more pounds of weight lost would be good for contest weight. 220 sounds like a good weight. That way, I’ll come in at around 3% BF. I’ve only lost probably 5 lbs of LBM I’m guessing from the entire cut, which isn’t shabby at all I think for a first cut down from 15% BF. Most of the LBM lost looks like it came from the calves and back thickness, but I could be wrong. I think the diet hunger was worse at 7% than it is at 4.4% BF (what I came in at today) because you just get used to it.

Oh, and I also had a cheat meal today with kabob at my grandmother’s house, which was still moderately healthy with the vegetables, fruit, and milk, though I did have 2 cookies as well. I consider it my re-feed day I suppose. That was one spicy kabob though! I’m thinking that’ll be my last high-sodium meal until the comp comes. I’m also getting ready to start the carb depletion probably around the turn of August.

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I have run 6 weeks of 50mg ED so thats fine. My strength plunges when my carbs get too low.

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[quote]saps wrote:
I have run 6 weeks of 50mg ED so thats fine. My strength plunges when my carbs get too low. [/quote]

My carbs are actually kinda moderate. They were a lot lower in the earlier stages of the cut, but now that I can handle more carbs, I am using it to my advantage. I think if I kept the carbs low that I would be even weaker than I am now. I think it’s the overall weakness from getting so low in BF.

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My BF% I would guess is in the 12-14% neighborhood I really don’t know. I just know carbs fuel my training and without tons of sugar I don’t train nearly as hard as I can on the stuff

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Weighing 222 as of today. Didn’t have time to measure BF% but it’s around 4% flat I’m guessing. I found out today that I must make 218 for a weigh-in to enter the Air National Guard. I find that to be retarded. I’m fucking 4% BF and I’m still not at that weight! I bet they rarely even see guys walk up to weigh-ins at 10% BF. Granted I’m not carb depleted yet, so I guess I will lose some lbs from that. What the fuck do they want me to do? I guess my weigh-in for the comp will have to be 218.

Feeling weak as fuck. My legs are shaking when I squat and I just feel like a noodle. Well, at least I came well-prepared for my show. I am a week or so ahead of schedule, so it’s going to suck ass to maintain this. Well, that’s the update.

If anyone has any suggestions for a guy coming up in his last 2 weeks before his show, please post them. I’m all ears.

PS: For those who are interested in my measurements, they will be up as soon as I start my cycle which will be I think August 23rd.

Cheers all.

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I think that with your stats - then you should put in a number of years natural (and your young age too) - then go for the un-tested.

Shit, you could win some untested events without doping as is.

With your potential genetics, it would be a good idea to go slow and steady… not all out IMO. That way you can still gain 10 years into competing, not get to your peak within 5.

Brook

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[quote] Brook wrote:
I think that with your stats - then you should put in a number of years natural (and your young age too) - then go for the un-tested.

Shit, you could win some untested events without doping as is.

With your potential genetics, it would be a good idea to go slow and steady… not all out IMO. That way you can still gain 10 years into competing, not get to your peak within 5.

Brook[/quote]

I’ve put in my time, and now I’m ready to rock unnaturally. I may be young, but I’m very close to my genetic limit as a natural. I’d be lucky if I could push 10 more lbs of LBM the rest of my life naturally. I didn’t get to my current level of development by going “slow and steady.” ;)_

Besides, I’d rather top out at 270 lbs at 8% at age 25 than top out at 280 at 8% when I’m 30. That’s just an example though. We don’t know what I’m going to top out at and at what age.

And regardless, we’ll have to see whether or not I enjoy this competition thing. I may just do hardcore recreational bodybuilding the rest of my life after this. Who knows, maybe stepping on stage will change my mind and I’ll like it and continue to compete. We’ll see.

But no matter what, if I stay in my current career, I cannot become a high-end bodybuilder unless they change some policies. And I refuse to use any HGH, IGF or the like due to the side effects of those, which apparently sets my opponents a step up from me, and think that’s retarded. They may have 10 - 20 more lbs of LBM from it than me, but look at their fucking 40 inch+ guts! I’ll stay at my 32 inch waist, thanks.

Anyhow, I’m rambling. I’m done haha.

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Fair enough… The point isnt really about topping out, but say you achieved pro status… to be able to progress from there you NEED to be able to gain.
If you have exhausted all your options and are at your max when you reach that level, you are stuffed.
Anyway, fair point BDE.

Think about this though (in RE: GH/IGF) they have that over you, but you do possibly have great genetics it seems (if one is to believe your claims - this isnt in question here) - much better than most, so you will be a match for those athletes who are using every tool in the box after a certain point in your development.

JMO.

Good luck, and it is something i consider too - i may hate the competing, although i love everything else… but i do want the experience to assist me in my work also. (although i am not just doing it for the ‘experience’)

Brook