[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Why would people buy BCAA instead of just leucine powder?
BBB[/quote]
ignorance (in my case at least).
i just bought a tub bc i train fasted and sip 20 grams throughout.
would it be better to just go with 20 grams leucine?[/quote]
I don’t think it would be better to use leucine alone on fasted cardio. I’m not sure who said it, either BBB or Bill Roberts said using leucine in between meals is best.
Thanks again, RyFry, I owe you for all this solid advice. I’ll definitely listen to my body and tone down the workouts if I need to.
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Why would people buy BCAA instead of just leucine powder?
BBB[/quote]
ignorance (in my case at least).
i just bought a tub bc i train fasted and sip 20 grams throughout.
would it be better to just go with 20 grams leucine?[/quote]
I think you would do better w/ bccas on fasted cardio. I forgot who said it either Bill Roberts, BBB, or MODOK one of the three said leucine should be taken in between meals.
double post as dave tate loves to hear “my bad”
[quote]nikoV wrote:
Thanks again, RyFry, I owe you for all this solid advice. I’ll definitely listen to my body and tone down the workouts if I need to. [/quote]
I take mastercard and visa. haha Don’t use deloading as an excuse to pussy out though CT makes a huge deal about that.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]RyFry wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Why would people buy BCAA instead of just leucine powder?
BBB[/quote]
Because this is america! We don’t want the bare minimum that is cost effective. We go all out and shut down gov’t on fridays.[/quote]
Leucine is more effective than BCAA, because you don’t get the competitive absorbtion.
BBB[/quote]
Is it more effective at staving catabolism? Or should I stick with BCAA intraworkout and add leucine in between meals?
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]RyFry wrote:
BBB i understand leucine can increase protein synthesis. i also understand that ingesting 30g protein will increase protein synthesis by 50%. I’ve heard that anything past 30g there are no improvements in protein synthesis. Everytime i see leucine advertised they say it should be taken with a lower protein content food like peanut butter and it will increase protein synthesis even farther than that of the food alone. If the food alone does not contain 30g i understand that the leucine can help, though can it improve protein synthesis when taking in 30g of protein or more? the protein synthesis fact i read on wikipedia, can you shed some light on this?[/quote]
‘They’ say that only 30g of protein can be utilised in one intake (unless you are on steroids of course). I don’t disagree with this BTW.
However muscle protein synthesis (MPS)is triggered by the RATE OF INCREASE of blood amino levels. So 30g of beef, which causes a slow rise in blood aminos will have a different effect on MPS than 30g (or even 20g) of amino acids.
Leucine has an even greater effect on MPS, partly because it is insulinogenic and insulin helps transport aminos into the muscle cells.
So we take the leucine to trigger insulin AND cause a fast rise in blood amino levels (of leucine). We take it ALONE, so that it doesn’t have to compete with other aminos at receptors, thus ensuring a complete absorbtion.
After 5-15 minutes, when the leucine has been absorbed, we take another source of aminos/protein to ‘back up’ the MPS effects of the leucine.
After all, there.s not much point triggering MPS and then not providing the building blocks to continue the effect.
BBB[/quote]
How big is the release? I’m on ad and trying to keep insulin low for the most part to oxidize more fat. Is the volume of insuline released negligible to the benefit it is associated with?
On another note, Why do you have to be so smart? It’s not fair.
@ Bushido Bad Boy: So taking BCAAs or Leucine before a fasted cardio session is the way to go because that will preserve muscle muss, even though it will make my insulin levels rise as well? The former outweighs the latter? This is probably nitpicking, but this is all very interesting to me.
[quote]tork94 wrote:
tried modern bcaa today for the first time. took a while to fully mix, but did mix clean eventually.
I think it was the white raspberry flavor, it didnt taste like i expected, but it was by far the best tasting bcaa i had ever tried, although i did add a few drops of stevia and some lime juice.[/quote]
how long have you been taking it and how often throughout your day? i just bought a bottle recently as my sub for lack of Biotest’s L-Leucine 
I just realized that I asked basically the same question as RyFry…my bad.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Leucine has an even greater effect on MPS, partly because it is insulinogenic and insulin helps transport aminos into the muscle cells.
After 5-15 minutes, when the leucine has been absorbed, we take another source of aminos/protein to ‘back up’ the MPS effects of the leucine.[/quote] - Is it a good idea to eat a pro/fat meal 15’ after the leucine?
@ BBB: thanks for your patience and quick response. I’ll be sure to get some Xtend in before my fasted cardio + lifting from here on out
[quote]RyFry wrote:
Is it more effective at staving catabolism? Or should I stick with BCAA intraworkout and add leucine in between meals?[/quote]
This came up on the Warrior Diet thread regarding BCAAs and leucine. Layne Norton claims it’s best to consume BCAAs ahead of leucine while in a fasted state. He states the latter can deplete the former. And while this isn’t an issue with a high protein diet, it can become a factor when fasted.
I know that BCAA contained the three amino acids but i thought they had a synergistic effect. As for the competitive absorption I was unaware. I will be dropping BCAAs for Leucine exclusively now, thanks.