[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Do humans breathe air?
Yes.
Do we have to mention it every single time a human being is discussed, lest someone forget?
No. It adds nothing to the discussion and gets annoying really fast.
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I can see it being mentioned when a guy goes from being a top level natty, who goes untested. It is cool to see the changes and effects it can make on a “maxed out” natty.
It isn’t exactly like talking about a human breathing. It’s like talking about a human taking his first breath.
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I understand that, but again:
-Too many assumptions here, no real facts… Maybe the guy was on gear during his supposed natty days already for example… And how do you know he was “maxed out” (assuming he was drug free then)? Seems unlikely with his genetics to be honest, unless he’s been at it for 15 years already and putting up ridiculous poundages.
Mostly it seems to me that guys like Kai Greene etc just start using once they either realize that they have a shot at doing damage at the IFBB pro level, or they just don’t see any reason to wait.
People also tend to get tired of training drug free, especially if they haven’t really figured out training and diet as well as they might think… Obviously results with gear will be better all else being equal (and often not equal) so yeah…
If you want to discuss gear use of certain pros, I don’t know man… It’s such a tricky subject with them being unable to officially talk about it without fear of legal repercussions and such, and 99 percent of the other people who supposedly know exactly what pro xyz is doing all being biased and often just making shit up.
Pros talking about other pros or even their own use aren’t exactly credible sources either, and gear gurus, well… Then you have lower level competitors who think that the pros surely do things the same way they do, just using five times the amount…
And you have different mentalities among the enhanced crowd as it is.
I just think that there is a lot of potential for confusing people who read along, especially those who want to try gear and then end up doing something stupid because of what they read…
And…
-too many generalizations… People don’t all do the same things, have the same genetics, and yes, training styles definitely make a difference as well as diet…
People are so quick to come to whatever conclusion fits the best with their original outlook too, disregarding too many factors…
If you are interested in this stuff, there are a few down to earth guys you could ask about it, or who have written about this before, but due to the variety of approaches around you likely won’t find any exact answers… Mostly more questions.
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Good points. And I didn’t really mean any specific discussions on oh I bet he takes drug X because of the way his waist looks, or something. I really meant it more as a casual anecdotal study. Just looking at his progress going from tested to untested. Which is I think how stu meant it.
