Really appreciate the reply ‘Jehovas’! I will pass on the information and force him him to contact the doc, otherwise I know I’ll get the “yeah I’ll do it soon” treatment. Let’s hope he can give this a shot
All the best.
Veggies contain hundreds if not thousands of nutrients not yet investigated by science, not in medical, many nutrition books. The fact that the plan shown above helped someone conquer MS, it should be of some help to anyone suffering from any mitochondrial issue.
~2/3 americans get below RDA in omega 3, iodine, zinc, calcium, magnesium
~1/2 below RDA in Vit A and B6
~1/3 below RDA in iron, C, B1, B9, B2, phosphorus, B3, and B12
These nutrients and others are very important to mitochondrial and brain health
(From the video shared above) Through extensive research by an MD who conquered MS through nutrition, the following recommendation is a food plan designed specifically for the brain and mitochondria.
That diet is this:
3 cups of green leaves, 3 cups of sulfur containing veggies, and 3 cups of bright color (flavonoids and polyphenols – beets, carrot, peppers, red cabbage, berries, peaches oranges), grass fed meet, organ meet (liver, heart, tongue, gizzards, sweetbreads – vitamins, minerals, and CoQ), and seaweed (iodine, selenium).
Studies supporting healthy eating/supplementation guidelines for mitochondrial health:
Reducing mitichondrial decay with mitochondrial nutrients to delay and treat cognitive dysfuntion, Alzheimer’s disease, and Parkinson’s disease.
Liu Nutr Neurosci. 2005 Apr;8(2):67-89.
Fish Oil, CoQ10 & Creatine:
Ann Neurol. 2003;53 Suppl 3:S39-47
Neurobiol Dis. 2005 April;18(3):618-27
Brain health, including nutrient guidelines for myelin, neurotransmitters, etc.:
Bourre JM. Effects of nutrients (in food) on the structure and function of the nervous system: update on dietary requirements for brain. Part 1: micronutrients
J Nutr Health Aging 2006;10(5):377-85.
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Anybody interested in mitochondrial health should watch this for perspective. It’s like 18 minutes by an MD who RECOVERED from debilitating MS when medicine failed her.[/quote]
I watched the entire video and don’t know what to think. I mean, she went from bedridden with MS to walking without a cane in 3 months just by eating brocolli, greens, and organ meats…? I don’t think she’s making this up or exaggerating at all, but I’m almost incredulous. Was it really MS that she had? Was she suffering from some kind of concomitant nutritional deficiency? What was her diet like before being stricken with MS? What was it like while suffering?
She’s not saying that every MS sufferer is a head of cabbage away from being cured, or is she?
I think the message is “let thy food be thy medicine” - Hippocrates
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]golder wrote:
Really appreciate the reply ‘Jehovas’! I will pass on the information and force him him to contact the doc, otherwise I know I’ll get the “yeah I’ll do it soon” treatment. Let’s hope he can give this a shot
All the best.[/quote]
The Q10 should be fine with the warfarin, though oils (fish, O3, etc) will thin the blood, which is NOT OK if you are also on blood thinners. As JF says: ask the doc.
BBB[/quote]
Ah! He’s already on 2g fish oil a day. Shall I tell him to stop taking these? Heart medication seems to be a nightmare. But I spose the blood pressure would take priority over the benefits of fish oil right?
One more thing Bushido, my dad is studying for a masters and I’ve been looking into Vinpocetine to aid his memory (coincidentally, I’ve noticed that people have had good results in reducing tinnitus, which he also suffers with).
But I just checked and found that Vinpocetine should not be taken with warfarin and blood thinners. I don’t want him messing around with increased blood flow to the brain and risk of clotting, so I take it you would advise steering clear of Vinpocetine? Although he has told me there is a chance he will come off warfarin in the future, perhaps it would be okay to implement then?
I shall let him know that the Coenzyme q10 SHOULD be fine.
Thanks.
[quote]golder wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]golder wrote:
Really appreciate the reply ‘Jehovas’! I will pass on the information and force him him to contact the doc, otherwise I know I’ll get the “yeah I’ll do it soon” treatment. Let’s hope he can give this a shot
All the best.[/quote]
The Q10 should be fine with the warfarin, though oils (fish, O3, etc) will thin the blood, which is NOT OK if you are also on blood thinners. As JF says: ask the doc.
BBB[/quote]
Ah! He’s already on 2g fish oil a day. Shall I tell him to stop taking these? Heart medication seems to be a nightmare. But I spose the blood pressure would take priority over the benefits of fish oil right?
One more thing Bushido, my dad is studying for a masters and I’ve been looking into Vinpocetine to aid his memory (coincidentally, I’ve noticed that people have had good results in reducing tinnitus, which he also suffers with). But I just checked and found that Vinpocetine should not be taken with warfarin and blood thinners. I don’t want him messing around with increased blood flow to the brain and risk of clotting, so I take it you would advise steering clear of Vinpocetine? Although he has told me there is a chance he will come off warfarin in the future, perhaps it would be okay to implement then?
I shall let him know that the Coenzyme q10 SHOULD be fine.
Thanks.[/quote]
Did the doctor tell him to take the fish oil? I find most docs still say it’s ok to take fish oil when on blood thinners.
Anyone else find it odd that blood thinners are prescribed when one could take fish oil instead?
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]golder wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]golder wrote:
Really appreciate the reply ‘Jehovas’! I will pass on the information and force him him to contact the doc, otherwise I know I’ll get the “yeah I’ll do it soon” treatment. Let’s hope he can give this a shot
All the best.[/quote]
The Q10 should be fine with the warfarin, though oils (fish, O3, etc) will thin the blood, which is NOT OK if you are also on blood thinners. As JF says: ask the doc.
BBB[/quote]
Ah! He’s already on 2g fish oil a day. Shall I tell him to stop taking these? Heart medication seems to be a nightmare. But I spose the blood pressure would take priority over the benefits of fish oil right?
One more thing Bushido, my dad is studying for a masters and I’ve been looking into Vinpocetine to aid his memory (coincidentally, I’ve noticed that people have had good results in reducing tinnitus, which he also suffers with). But I just checked and found that Vinpocetine should not be taken with warfarin and blood thinners. I don’t want him messing around with increased blood flow to the brain and risk of clotting, so I take it you would advise steering clear of Vinpocetine? Although he has told me there is a chance he will come off warfarin in the future, perhaps it would be okay to implement then?
I shall let him know that the Coenzyme q10 SHOULD be fine.
Thanks.[/quote]
Did the doctor tell him to take the fish oil? I find most docs still say it’s ok to take fish oil when on blood thinners.
Anyone else find it odd that blood thinners are prescribed when one could take fish oil instead?
[/quote]
I’ve been curious about whether high doses of fish oil would accomplish the same as prescription blood thinners (and if so, what the equivalent fish oil dosage would have to be).
(Not for myself, as I have no such issues, just purely out of curiosity.)
[quote]golder wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]golder wrote:
Really appreciate the reply ‘Jehovas’! I will pass on the information and force him him to contact the doc, otherwise I know I’ll get the “yeah I’ll do it soon” treatment. Let’s hope he can give this a shot
All the best.[/quote]
The Q10 should be fine with the warfarin, though oils (fish, O3, etc) will thin the blood, which is NOT OK if you are also on blood thinners. As JF says: ask the doc.
BBB[/quote]
Ah! He’s already on 2g fish oil a day. Shall I tell him to stop taking these? Heart medication seems to be a nightmare. But I spose the blood pressure would take priority over the benefits of fish oil right?
One more thing Bushido, my dad is studying for a masters and I’ve been looking into Vinpocetine to aid his memory (coincidentally, I’ve noticed that people have had good results in reducing tinnitus, which he also suffers with).
But I just checked and found that Vinpocetine should not be taken with warfarin and blood thinners. I don’t want him messing around with increased blood flow to the brain and risk of clotting, so I take it you would advise steering clear of Vinpocetine? Although he has told me there is a chance he will come off warfarin in the future, perhaps it would be okay to implement then?
I shall let him know that the Coenzyme q10 SHOULD be fine.
Thanks.[/quote]
Your dad needs to talk to his doctor if he’s going to increase or decrease the amount of fish oil he’s taking. How often is he having his INR tested? Do not suggest he make significant dietary or supplement changes without making sure the changes (like increasing or decreasing the amount of leafy greens in the diet) are not contraindicated.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
I watched the entire video and don’t know what to think. I mean, she went from bedridden with MS to walking without a cane in 3 months just by eating brocolli, greens, and organ meats…? I don’t think she’s making this up or exaggerating at all, but I’m almost incredulous. Was it really MS that she had? Was she suffering from some kind of concomitant nutritional deficiency? What was her diet like before being stricken with MS? What was it like while suffering?
She’s not saying that every MS sufferer is a head of cabbage away from being cured, or is she?[/quote]
Maybe. Sometimes the adage “Do the opposite of what most people do” is the best route. Dismal veggie consumption vs. a calculated massive dose. I mean it worked right?
Quoted for truth.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
It’s not so much that these things are massively helpful, more that the ‘traditional’ western diet is massively detrimental - at least to those with certain auto-immune conditions…
BBB[/quote]
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I think the message is “let thy food be thy medicine” - Hippocrates[/quote]
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Maybe. Sometimes the adage “Do the opposite of what most people do” is the best route. Dismal veggie consumption vs. a calculated massive dose. I mean it worked right?
[/quote]
I hope this doesn’t sound argumentative because that’s not my intent. However, the data I’ve seen show that most (nearly %75) of MS sufferers have tried dietary modifications. In my limited experience, the more idiopathic the disease, the more likely the patients are to try alternative therapies. Yet, there is no evidence according to Cochrane that a few specific dietary modifications (specifically, supplementing with omega 3) actually does anything.
My point being, her recovery seems to be extremely rare leading me to believe that there were concomitant issues.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Maybe. Sometimes the adage “Do the opposite of what most people do” is the best route. Dismal veggie consumption vs. a calculated massive dose. I mean it worked right?
[/quote]
I hope this doesn’t sound argumentative because that’s not my intent. However, the data I’ve seen show that most (nearly %75) of MS sufferers have tried dietary modifications. In my limited experience, the more idiopathic the disease, the more likely the patients are to try alternative therapies. Yet, there is no evidence according to Cochrane that a few specific dietary modifications (specifically, supplementing with omega 3) actually does anything.
My point being, her recovery seems to be extremely rare leading me to believe that there were concomitant issues.
[/quote]
It’s not an argument on my end either. I just want to bring up one more point. Perhaps it’s not just about the addition, but also about the removal of wheat and sugar. Containing nutrient inhibitors and being inflammatory in nature would certainly not help recovery of this type of immune disorder. The elimination of wheat and sugar combined with the massive increase in nutrients are both key in my eyes. Like BBB said,
“Eliminate the irritants in food, and the body has a chance to work on the inflammation that causes the primary issue in the CNS.”
One dietary change (omega 3, or what have you) is not the same as a complete overhaul. The elimination (of wheat) could be a HUGE element in this. Also, 9 cups is a lot of veggies and she didn’t just eat 9 cups of veggies, but she carefully calculated her micro/phyto-nutrients, and consumed that along with grass fed meats and organ meats. I doubt the 75% figure you mentioned tried diet modification to that extent.
Not to derail the above conversation but I’m just wondering if it’s my brand or not everyone gets a good feeling from CoQ10… 300mg over the past few days hasn’t really had any noticeable effect on mood or energy.
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
Not to derail the above conversation but I’m just wondering if it’s my brand or not everyone gets a good feeling from CoQ10… 300mg over the past few days hasn’t really had any noticeable effect on mood or energy.[/quote]
again, there is a difference between CoQ10 and Ubiquinol as far as blood concentration levels. What brand you taking, I can look it up on Consumberlabs for you to at least see if it contains the claimed amount.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
Not to derail the above conversation but I’m just wondering if it’s my brand or not everyone gets a good feeling from CoQ10… 300mg over the past few days hasn’t really had any noticeable effect on mood or energy.[/quote]
again, there is a difference between CoQ10 and Ubiquinol as far as blood concentration levels. What brand you taking, I can look it up on Consumberlabs for you to at least see if it contains the claimed amount.[/quote]
… Um, Spring Valley “Q-sorb”. It was cheap and I figured I would give it a shot…
Is the 300mg CoQ alright to do everyday for ever? Or is it run more cyclic?
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Is the 300mg CoQ alright to do everyday for ever? Or is it run more cyclic?[/quote]
Initial recommendation was 300mg a day for three months, I believe.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Anybody interested in mitochondrial health should watch this for perspective. It’s like 18 minutes by an MD who RECOVERED from debilitating MS when medicine failed her.[/quote]
I watched the entire video and don’t know what to think. I mean, she went from bedridden with MS to walking without a cane in 3 months just by eating brocolli, greens, and organ meats…? I don’t think she’s making this up or exaggerating at all, but I’m almost incredulous. Was it really MS that she had? Was she suffering from some kind of concomitant nutritional deficiency? What was her diet like before being stricken with MS? What was it like while suffering?
She’s not saying that every MS sufferer is a head of cabbage away from being cured, or is she?[/quote]
I persuaded my MS neighbour to consume 5g fish oil, 300mg Q10 and some Acai extract daily and within a week she no longer needed her cane to aid mobility.
It’s not so much that these things are massively helpful, more that the ‘traditional’ western diet is massively detrimental - at least to those with certain auto-immune conditions.
Eliminate the irritants in food, and the body has a chance to work on the inflammation that causes the primary issue in the CNS, rather than dividing it’s energies between the GIT inflammation and the CNS inflammation.
BBB[/quote]
BBB - my mom isn’t at the cane point yet but it’s like she’s given up. I had her doing a low carb fairly paleo diet and she was doing great, now she just doesn’t seem to care. Wonder if I can inject her with everything without her knowing 
Great stuff in this thread, thanks.