[quote]Edevus wrote:
A change in demographics? According to calculations, if nothing changes, by 2060 European natives will be minorities in their own countries.
How about that?
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Haha, you keep throwing these things out here like, “Well what about THIS!??”
And I keep telling you the same thing is happening here, and it’s not destroying the country. Whites will likely be the minority here by 2050.
So what?
I’ll ask you again. In Denmark, 2.5% of the population uses 40% of the welfare money. What will happen when that 2.5% becomes 10%?
[quote]Edevus wrote:
A change in demographics? According to calculations, if nothing changes, by 2060 European natives will be minorities in their own countries.
How about that?
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That would be incredible! Except, you can’t say that the “European natives” will be minorities, since the minorities are born in the countries as citizens of those countries, thus making them de facto European natives (i’m speaking of the x-generation Algerians in France, for example).
Basically, and I really DO NOT mean this in any racist way, we’re talking about the brown people outnumbering the white people. Or rather, the Muslims outnumbering the rest.
Well, then I guess you could say that the best form of eugenics is indeed education, no?
Just look what it did to the European natives - a secular society, technocratic, with individuals who are, for the most part, highly educated, rational-minded, reproducing less and less…
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I’ll ask you again. In Denmark, 2.5% of the population uses 40% of the welfare money. What will happen when that 2.5% becomes 10%?
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Either talk economics, or talk race. Don’t mix them.
If you’re worried about the welfare state not working, I can see your concern. If, as the underlying theme seems to be, you’re worried that brown people are going to outnumber the white people, than I don’t have sympathy.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
A change in demographics? According to calculations, if nothing changes, by 2060 European natives will be minorities in their own countries.
How about that?
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Haha, you keep throwing these things out here like, “Well what about THIS!??”
And I keep telling you the same thing is happening here, and it’s not destroying the country. Whites will likely be the minority here by 2050.
So what? [/quote]
LOL! I like the way you think - our children will all be a delicious shade of mocha! Which is good really, tanning is just terrible for your skin. HAHA!
You can’t stop the inevitable, just adapt. I’m with you.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I’ll ask you again. In Denmark, 2.5% of the population uses 40% of the welfare money. What will happen when that 2.5% becomes 10%?
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Either talk economics, or talk race. Don’t mix them.
If you’re worried about the welfare state not working, I can see your concern. If, as the underlying theme seems to be, you’re worried that brown people are going to outnumber the white people, than I don’t have sympathy.[/quote]
Agreed.
Altho, to be fair to Edevus, I suppose he’s just highlighting the correlation that in Europe the poor are generally brown?
[quote]Mascherano wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
A change in demographics? According to calculations, if nothing changes, by 2060 European natives will be minorities in their own countries.
How about that?
[/quote]
Haha, you keep throwing these things out here like, “Well what about THIS!??”
And I keep telling you the same thing is happening here, and it’s not destroying the country. Whites will likely be the minority here by 2050.
So what? [/quote]
LOL! I like the way you think - our children will all be a delicious shade of mocha! Which is good really, tanning is just terrible for your skin. HAHA!
You can’t stop the inevitable, just adapt. I’m with you. [/quote]
Btw, this just gave way to the thought of all the different phenotypical hierarchies that this might implicate - like lighter shades being “better” than darker ones" and things like that. What a headache!
Wow, how did this thread escape the mods’ sharp eyes and survived this long without being sent to PWI? I guess the title sounds generic enough. Who’da thought it would deteriorate into an immigration thread?
[quote]postholedigger wrote:
Wow, how did this thread escape the mods’ sharp eyes and survived this long without being sent to PWI? I guess the title sounds generic enough. Who’da thought it would deteriorate into an immigration thread?[/quote]
Only nudity can awaken the Mods.
[quote]Mascherano wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
A change in demographics? According to calculations, if nothing changes, by 2060 European natives will be minorities in their own countries.
How about that?
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That would be incredible! Except, you can’t say that the “European natives” will be minorities, since the minorities are born in the countries as citizens of those countries, thus making them de facto European natives (i’m speaking of the x-generation Algerians in France, for example).
Basically, and I really DO NOT mean this in any racist way, we’re talking about the brown people outnumbering the white people. Or rather, the Muslims outnumbering the rest.
Well, then I guess you could say that the best form of eugenics is indeed education, no?
Just look what it did to the European natives - a secular society, technocratic, with individuals who are, for the most part, highly educated, rational-minded, reproducing less and less…
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That’s just semantics. If you were born in a place, but don’t like it, don’t speak the language, don’t know the history, don’t respect the culture or the customs…can you consider yourself a native? These third generation Algerians hate France and whistle La Marseillaise when it sounds.
But yes, education is the way to go. Giving children a chance in life and society.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I’ll ask you again. In Denmark, 2.5% of the population uses 40% of the welfare money. What will happen when that 2.5% becomes 10%?
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Either talk economics, or talk race. Don’t mix them.
If you’re worried about the welfare state not working, I can see your concern. If, as the underlying theme seems to be, you’re worried that brown people are going to outnumber the
white people, than I don’t have sympathy.[/quote]
You are using a strawman argument to make me appear as a xenophobe. I’ll not argue on those terms. I don’t choose my friends or my enemies for the colour of their skin, but I’m disgusted by self-ostracizing parallel societies who feel they are entitled to welfare money, paid by the rest of workers (of all races and nationalities). We can not sustain this.
I’m not talking economics. I’m talking about how the system can not survive when the parasite is getting fatter and fatter. A good and hardworking person is a good person, black or white.
But I’m talking, and I think it’s quite clear by now and you seem to not understand it, about those who seclude themselves, ostracize themselves from society, don’t work, yet they have lots of children and leech from the welfare system.
Is it so hard to understand for you?
[quote]Edevus wrote:
That’s just semantics. If you were born in a place, but don’t like it, don’t speak the language, don’t know the history, don’t respect the culture or the customs…can you consider yourself a native? These third generation Algerians hate France and whistle La Marseillaise when it sounds.
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Um yes, that’s the definition of Nationhood and Nationality - and if this is part of your issue, then you should question “what is citizenry?” Does one have to like the place they are born in, adhere to its values and customs in order to be a citizen of that country?
[quote]Mascherano wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
That’s just semantics. If you were born in a place, but don’t like it, don’t speak the language, don’t know the history, don’t respect the culture or the customs…can you consider yourself a native? These third generation Algerians hate France and whistle La Marseillaise when it sounds.
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Um yes, that’s the definition of Nationhood and Nationality - and if this is part of your issue, then you should question “what is citizenry?” Does one have to like the place they are born in, adhere to its values and customs in order to be a citizen of that country?
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When you become a citizen of a country, you accept both duties and rights. It’s the duty of a citizen to speak the language of the country (depends the Constitution of course), besides other things. People want the rights, but forget the duties.
Russians here, where I live, don’t consider themselves natives even if they were born here. They consider themselves Russians…even if they have never been in Russia.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
You are using a strawman argument to make me appear as a xenophobe. I’ll not argue on those terms. I don’t choose my friends or my enemies for the colour of their skin, but I’m disgusted by self-ostracizing parallel societies who feel they are entitled to welfare money, paid by the rest of workers (of all races and nationalities). We can not sustain this.
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hahaha. And, for the last time, I’m telling you that your welfare system and your minorities are two different things.
In America there isn’t as much of a problem because illegal immigrants really can’t file for welfare or whatever. I mean sure, there’s way to circumvent that with fake identities and what not, but they don’t always get handouts from the government.
That’s a problem with your country my man, and it’s got little to do with your parallel societies. They wouldn’t take the handout if it wasn’t being handed to them.
And I suspect, for the millionth time that I’ll say this, that there’s plenty of natives leaching your system as well…after all, who is using the other 60 percent of the numbers you threw out there?
haha, so you’re not talking economics, but you’re clearly talking economics. Got you.
No, I understand quite well. You’re just muddling the approach because no matter how hard you try, your disdain for whole groups of other races can’t be hidden.
Nearly every post you’ve made comes off as brutally xenophobic and you’re clearly quite scared of foreigners.
You can say that you’re not, but you’re certainly walking and quacking like a duck, if you catch my drift.
Sorry amigo. I’m pretty done with this. I retired from the PWI forum because they bored me, and you’re heading along the same lines with this one.
[quote]postholedigger wrote:
Wow, how did this thread escape the mods’ sharp eyes and survived this long without being sent to PWI? I guess the title sounds generic enough. Who’da thought it would deteriorate into an immigration thread?[/quote]
OMG, please, no. PWI, it frightens me.
Anyways, I enjoyed this discussion gentlemen. But I’m done for the day. Tally-ho!
I’ll also retire from arguing with you, although you finally started to get close to understand it, since you brought to the table that in USA, leeching from the welfare system is not an easy task. In Europe, it is and that’s why it’s an issue.
But yeah, I’m “brutally xenophobic” while being of mixed nationality, living in a foreign country, having had girlfriends of four different nationalities and supporting fully integration of anyone who wants to try.
Wait! There has got to be more arguing left in you two. Come back, you cowards! 
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Otep wrote:
I’m with you, to a certain extent. I, and most Americans, are huge fans of legal immigration. Legal immigrants have respect for American laws and authority, and we can set standards and quotas for who we want to let in based on what skills and abilities they bring to the table.
It took America a while to think of this. Meantime, the Irish and Slavs came over. Which is to say, they were legal immigrants.
But your idea that, since things turned out pretty alright with the Irish and the Slavs (and the Czechs, and the Chinese, and the…) then things will always turn out pretty alright is stupid. It says there’s no need for an immigration policy. Please tell me this isn’t what you’re saying.
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Of course not. The country does need to have an immigration policy, and should have secured borders.
However, quotas that allow only skilled people in are not part of that policy. This country is for all people, not just the skilled ones. When my family came over, they were coal miners, liquor store owners, and other assorted non-skilled things.
That would be the worst kind of discrimination.
I’m not saying that there aren’t problems with the system. But there are overacrching ideas that cannot be forgotten, and the freedom to immigrate here is one of the tenets of the nation.[/quote]
In one sense I hear you. I like the idea of America being a place for those who work hard to make their future by the sweat of their brow and the strength and skill of their hands, regardless of their country of origin. But I imagine its hard to select for diligence-of-character, because such an attribute is hard to compute.
I think the international standard of legal immigration is to accept people with skills your economy needs and can’t provide endogenously, and people from friendly neighbor states in certain numbers held to a point where they won’t affect the societal status quo.
How would you change it?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hahahah. You guys seriously amaze me.
THE SAME FUCKING THING HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT EVERY SINGLE GROUP TO EVER COME TO AMERICA.
Looks like you’re just going to have to get used to seeing non-white people, killer though it may be.
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Oh I wish it was only about a color of skin.
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