Basketball Player: Increasing Mass

Nutrition
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[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
No.If you ever passed third grade you can read the part where I ate for a month or so at a MAINTENANCE level,then ,slowly,went into the v diet.
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Ha. In fact I have passed third grade reading but perhaps you haven’t since you can’t READ your own writing. And I quote from your above post WORD for WORD “I just got done bulking 2 weeks ago and I’m on my second week of the v -diet and I haven’t lost any muscle.”

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I used to play basket ball in highschool too.I don’t unsderstand why he’s trying to gain like 30 pounds.They have a limit in basket ball when it comes to weight.Most kids in basket ball have to be lean,not “huge”.So,when you learn how to read English and stop making your stupid,childish,egregious remarks,then we can talk like adults and not like little children.[/quote]

Your third grade comments are cracking me up when you can’t even type properly (no spaces between periods; basketball is one word; etc.).

The V-diet is way over-perscribed, the fix all solution to everyone who wants to cut. Get defensive all you want but you still have no freakin clue what you’re talking about. Why don’t you relegate yourself to writing advice to yourself only and not to anyone else from now on.

And your comment about gaining 30 lbs is not a good idea because “there is a limit in basketball” was completely ignorant. Gaining lean muscle mass is a great idea for basketball or any other sport. If you train properly it can increase your power, speed, and ability to stay injury-free. You truly are an idiot.

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[quote]Silencer23 wrote:
Hi… I’m a 6’3" 200lbs basketball player
I have 2 games and 2 pracs a week.

i’m not in the NBA or something YET, that’s why I am developing strength and mass IN SEASON… no time to waist
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Just curious, why do you want to get bigger? What level/position are you playing at?

If you’re a point, 6’3"/200 is perfect (assuming you’re already lean). There aren’t many point guards bigger than 200 lbs. Even 2 guards rarely push 220 (and they’re got a 3-4 inches on you).

Unless you’re playing in the post I don’t see how increased mass is going to help you guarding speedsters on the perimeter (or breaking down your own man).

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[quote]randman wrote:
And your comment about gaining 30 lbs is not a good idea because there is a limit in basketball was completely ignorant. [/quote]

Name me any top PGs that are 6’3" and 230 pounds who are good on both ends of the floor. The only players that need gain 30 pounds are PFs and Cs (unless we’re talking like some rail thin rookie KG body type, 7 feet and 210 lbs or something).

The weight gain is totally dependent on position. So there is a weight limit-though not officially. 1s are up 200, 2’s 220, 3s 240, 4s 250-260, 5s 260+.
Those are generally the weights you want at each position. There are exceptions. Shaq is pushing 400 lbs. Artest reportedly showed up at camp at 275 this year as a SF. So yeah, some guys can carry the extra weight.

I use the NBA as an example because it is the highest level of play and thus represents what the genetic freaks with the best training can do. Most guys over 200lbs cannot keep up with other points.
You’ve got a couple exceptions–Kidd and Baron Davis at 210 and 215 respectively and both fast (though Kidd lost speed after the microfracture surgery). If it were useful for PGs to get over 200 lbs we’d see a lot more big PGs.

Sure. Lean muscle mass, without a doubt. My question is how many serious basketball players aren’t already super lean? If the guy isn’t already under 10% body fat then that needs to be priority one. Not getting bigger. And if he’s already lean and playing PG, there is no reason to add mass–unless he’s anticipating growing into a PF body.

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[quote]rg73 wrote:
randman wrote:
And your comment about gaining 30 lbs is not a good idea because there is a limit in basketball was completely ignorant.

Name me any top PGs that are 6’3" and 230 pounds who are good on both ends of the floor. [/quote]

Baron Davis is well over 215. I have stood next to him and I can garauntee he’s at least 230. And he’s probably the top overall athlete at the point, and that’s after back surgeries. Most basketball players can and should increase their mass, but at the risk of pissing everyone off it should be “functional.” There is no “functional” need to look like Lou Ferrigno, but at 6’4"-6’6" these guys should be able to carry 240-245 and maintain [or increase] their athletic ability.
PS. No athlete should ever even think about the v-diet.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
rg73 wrote:
randman wrote:
And your comment about gaining 30 lbs is not a good idea because there is a limit in basketball was completely ignorant.

Name me any top PGs that are 6’3" and 230 pounds who are good on both ends of the floor.

Baron Davis is well over 215. I have stood next to him and I can garauntee he’s at least 230. And he’s probably the top overall athlete at the point, and that’s after back surgeries. Most basketball players can and should increase their mass, but at the risk of pissing everyone off it should be “functional.” There is no “functional” need to look like Lou Ferrigno, but at 6’4"-6’6" these guys should be able to carry 240-245 and maintain [or increase] their athletic ability.
PS. No athlete should ever even think about the v-diet.[/quote]

Really interesting,but no way in hell do I think they’ll be easy on their team members gaining 30 or 40 pounds of muscle.When I played basketball they where very strict on me and my weight.Randman thinks he knows everything about basketball.Telling me,and others on here that doing “this” and “that” won’t work.

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I told him ,if he wanted,to do the v-diet when he gets done bulking.Like around off season.Everyone has different energy levels.I do martial arts,and I could easily do that or play basketball when on the v-diet.

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[quote]rg73 wrote:
Silencer23 wrote:
Hi… I’m a 6’3" 200lbs basketball player
I have 2 games and 2 pracs a week.

i’m not in the NBA or something YET, that’s why I am developing strength and mass IN SEASON… no time to waist

Just curious, why do you want to get bigger? What level/position are you playing at?

If you’re a point, 6’3"/200 is perfect (assuming you’re already lean). There aren’t many point guards bigger than 200 lbs. Even 2 guards rarely push 220 (and they’re got a 3-4 inches on you).

Unless you’re playing in the post I don’t see how increased mass is going to help you guarding speedsters on the perimeter (or breaking down your own man).

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OK… 1st of all, i’m 18 and I play shooting guard in a pro league.
I am about 10%bf. vertical leap over 40"

I need more upper body size, more arms, more shoulder, because most of my weight is on my legs.

Fred Jones is 225lbs and 6’2" and still powerful as hell… But I guess it’s Power Vs. footwork.

I don’t mind adding 20lbs of size and power and cut some footwork

I think the next gen points are 230lbs 6’3" 's

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[quote]Silencer23 wrote:
rg73 wrote:
Silencer23 wrote:
Hi… I’m a 6’3" 200lbs basketball player
I have 2 games and 2 pracs a week.

i’m not in the NBA or something YET, that’s why I am developing strength and mass IN SEASON… no time to waist

Just curious, why do you want to get bigger? What level/position are you playing at?

If you’re a point, 6’3"/200 is perfect (assuming you’re already lean). There aren’t many point guards bigger than 200 lbs. Even 2 guards rarely push 220 (and they’re got a 3-4 inches on you).

Unless you’re playing in the post I don’t see how increased mass is going to help you guarding speedsters on the perimeter (or breaking down your own man).

OK… 1st of all, i’m 18 and I play shooting guard in a pro league.
I am about 10%bf. vertical leap over 40"

I need more upper body size, more arms, more shoulder, because most of my weight is on my legs.

Fred Jones is 225lbs and 6’2" and still powerful as hell… But I guess it’s Power Vs. footwork.

I don’t mind adding 20lbs of size and power and cut some footwork

I think the next gen points are 230lbs 6’3" 's

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Your coach is alright with you adding 20 or more pounds of mass?I think it would be great for you to add some muscle,but I’m not your coach. When I played basketball,my coach was very strict on us and our weight.

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[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
Silencer23 wrote:
rg73 wrote:
Silencer23 wrote:
Hi… I’m a 6’3" 200lbs basketball player
I have 2 games and 2 pracs a week.

i’m not in the NBA or something YET, that’s why I am developing strength and mass IN SEASON… no time to waist

Just curious, why do you want to get bigger? What level/position are you playing at?

If you’re a point, 6’3"/200 is perfect (assuming you’re already lean). There aren’t many point guards bigger than 200 lbs. Even 2 guards rarely push 220 (and they’re got a 3-4 inches on you).

Unless you’re playing in the post I don’t see how increased mass is going to help you guarding speedsters on the perimeter (or breaking down your own man).

OK… 1st of all, i’m 18 and I play shooting guard in a pro league.
I am about 10%bf. vertical leap over 40"

I need more upper body size, more arms, more shoulder, because most of my weight is on my legs.

Fred Jones is 225lbs and 6’2" and still powerful as hell… But I guess it’s Power Vs. footwork.

I don’t mind adding 20lbs of size and power and cut some footwork

I think the next gen points are 230lbs 6’3" 's

Your coach is alright with you adding 20 or more pounds of mass?I think it would be great for you to add some muscle,but I’m not your coach. When I played basketball,my coach was very strict on us and our weight.[/quote]

Actually we have some strength and conditioning moron to guide us on that but he doesnt understand sh*t.

It’s a personal choice for me.
My legs are thick and ripped but upper body still needs work cuz I still get pushed around. I might end up carrying 210lbs at 10% BF the way i’m going.

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[quote]Silencer23 wrote:
OK… 1st of all, i’m 18 and I play shooting guard in a pro league.
I am about 10%bf. vertical leap over 40"

I need more upper body size, more arms, more shoulder, because most of my weight is on my legs.

Fred Jones is 225lbs and 6’2" and still powerful as hell… But I guess it’s Power Vs. footwork.

I don’t mind adding 20lbs of size and power and cut some footwork

I think the next gen points are 230lbs 6’3" 's
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What league are you playing in?

Ok, for shooting guard, yeah, 220ish is good if you’ve got that same sort of blasting into the lane, attack the rim game of Jones (or hell, better yet Wade). Are you still growing btw?

But yeah–if you’re projected to stay at the 2 for the rest of your playing career, adding some size is a good idea.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
rg73 wrote:
randman wrote:
And your comment about gaining 30 lbs is not a good idea because there is a limit in basketball was completely ignorant.

Name me any top PGs that are 6’3" and 230 pounds who are good on both ends of the floor.

Baron Davis is well over 215. I have stood next to him and I can garauntee he’s at least 230.[/quote]

When did you last stand next to Baron? He dropped a lot of weight trying to recover from his injuries. I believe he was 230+ at one point, but he’s dropped a ton.

That I agree with. But he still can’t shoot.

I don’t think they can actually carry 240 at that height for a season and maintain their athletic ability. Kobe bulked big time one season and came into camp around 235. He was noticeably slower that season and he wound up dropping the weight during the course of the season anyway. No way to maintain it playing an 82 game season plus playoffs (this was during the 3rd championship season). He’s slimmed down to about 215 this season with obviously better results. That’s one guy, but he’s also the hardest training guy, and probably among the strongest 2’s in the league. Jordan likewise, strong as a bull, dedicated lifter, never got over 220. It wasn’t functional. You’re going to be faster 20 lbs lighter at the equivalent bodyfat percentage, and speed matters. If you’re 6’6" and 245 you’re not going to be chasing Rip Hamilton around screens all night, or keep your feet in front of Wade.

Of course basketball players should lift–any most serious ballers today do. But for perimeter players where speed and explosiveness is at a premium, adding weight only helps up to a point and then hurts. Post players, different story. Basketball players are not like football players–the 6’5" 250 guy that is fast will wind up being a linebacker, not a shooting guard. Add in that these guys are for the most part ectomorphs–so they are going to have a hard time maintaining that weight over the season. The fact is that a lot of players in both college and the pros train hard, train smart and have access to top trainers. If there were a functional advantage to a 2 guard being 245, we’d see 245 2 guards. And yet we see Kobe, Melo, Brand–all dropping weight and having their best seasons. That isn’t a coincidence.

So I still maintain there are functional weight limits for each position. There will always be some genetic freak among the genetic freaks who’s can carry more weight than the average player, but its an exception.