[quote]super saiyan wrote:
kane101nod wrote:
I found ‘periods of rage’ to be rather incongruous with being a ‘menacing boor.’ I personally can’t remeber a boring moment viewing a big guy having a wild mood swing while his hair falls out.
-k
They wrote boor, not bore. There is a difference in the two words.[/quote]
I thought they meany boar. He has been pigging out.
[quote]DPH wrote:
ignorant? not aware of the facts? hahahahahaha…
moderation in all things![/quote]
I’m sorry. I stand corrected. All those years in my past being high were great for my marriage. Great for my surfing career.
I will admit partying with my step sister was fun… but in my past experiences, coke is not a good supplement. I started doing some crazy ass things. I realized this, changed drugs, moved on to do other crazy ass things. Finally I figured being sober was pretty fucking cool.
edit: I meant to say “not high,” not “sober,” as I do drink on occasion
[quote]TeeVee69 wrote:
The timing of this book is remarkable. But it was calculated.
The only way those two reporters get that level of detail of information is if it came directly from the federal investigators and prosecutors on the BALCO case. From the get-go, the feds had an anti-Bonds agenda. They wanted to bag the big trophy and nail Bonds; but they couldn’t. The fact that they didn’t prosecute Bonds when they had the chance means they didn’t have enough incriminating evidence on him. That never sat well with them. So what’s the next best thing they could do? Smear him. The feds gave those reporters all the info they wanted with only one request: make sure the book comes out before the start of the season.[/quote]
The two reporters are from the SF Chronicle and were doing investigative work on the BALCO matter long before the whole Bonds-Steroids thing became the hot national news item and political leverage point that it is today. That said, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that some inforation included in the book may have come from official sources, I just am rather doubtful. But, as you said, the timing of the book’s release is really quite calculated.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
super saiyan wrote:
kane101nod wrote:
I found ‘periods of rage’ to be rather incongruous with being a ‘menacing boor.’ I personally can’t remeber a boring moment viewing a big guy having a wild mood swing while his hair falls out.
-k
They wrote boor, not bore. There is a difference in the two words.
I thought they meany boar. He has been pigging out.[/quote]
Which is why I don’t understand all of the focus on his weight gain. It isn’t like he is looking like Ronnie Coleman on the field. His physical change isn’t that damn dramatic. Most guys “fill out” in their late 20’s and 30’s.
[quote]kroby wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
The tighter wound ball would be the culprit here along with shorter parks, stadiums designed to create a draft to the outfield and harder throwing pitchers. There are too many variables out there to say “roids” alone created the HR boom.
With this train of thought, wouldn’t it be more likely to see 60 HR’s more often? But it hasn’t happened since BB. We’re barely seeing 40 HR’s now. Hmmmmmm…[/quote]
Yet 3 years ago there was a big hub-bub about the balls being “hot” and MLB went down to Mexico I believe to check the factory that was making them to make sure everything was “correct.”
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
super saiyan wrote:
kane101nod wrote:
I found ‘periods of rage’ to be rather incongruous with being a ‘menacing boor.’ I personally can’t remeber a boring moment viewing a big guy having a wild mood swing while his hair falls out.
-k
They wrote boor, not bore. There is a difference in the two words.
I thought they meany boar. He has been pigging out.
Which is why I don’t understand all of the focus on his weight gain. It isn’t like he is looking like Ronnie Coleman on the field. His physical change isn’t that damn dramatic. Most guys “fill out” in their late 20’s and 30’s.
[/quote]
Do most guys melons quadruple in size in their 30’s too, ProfX?
[quote]vaughn5000 wrote:
Do most guys melons quadruple in size in their 30’s too, ProfX?[/quote]
Do most people look at someone who shaves their head, compare it to 20 year old photos of the same person much skinnier with hair and a baseball cap and assume their head changed much?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
vaughn5000 wrote:
Do most guys melons quadruple in size in their 30’s too, ProfX?
Do most people look at someone who shaves their head, compare it to 20 year old photos of the same person much skinnier with hair and a baseball cap and assume their head changed much?[/quote]
Shit I have a hat that doesnt fit from 2 years ago let alone 10.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
super saiyan wrote:
kane101nod wrote:
I found ‘periods of rage’ to be rather incongruous with being a ‘menacing boor.’ I personally can’t remeber a boring moment viewing a big guy having a wild mood swing while his hair falls out.
-k
They wrote boor, not bore. There is a difference in the two words.
I thought they meany boar. He has been pigging out.
Which is why I don’t understand all of the focus on his weight gain. It isn’t like he is looking like Ronnie Coleman on the field. His physical change isn’t that damn dramatic. Most guys “fill out” in their late 20’s and 30’s.
[/quote]
He did all his filling out in one offseason. His muscle gains were very fast.
I too have filled out over the years, gained muscle and my hat size is bigger than it was 15 years ago.
It has taken me a long time, not the 12 weeks or so it took Bonds. Even accounting for access to top level legal supplements and training I still think he probably took steroids based on how fast he did it.
It just proves to me steroids work and muscle makes you a better ballplayer.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
vaughn5000 wrote:
Do most guys melons quadruple in size in their 30’s too, ProfX?
Do most people look at someone who shaves their head, compare it to 20 year old photos of the same person much skinnier with hair and a baseball cap and assume their head changed much?[/quote]
Yes
I am confused. Is there actually anyone in this forum who thinks Bonds did not use juice / HGH / etc???
I would think people here are too smart for that.
[quote]sublime wrote:
I am confused. Is there actually anyone in this forum who thinks Bonds did not use juice / HGH / etc???
I would think people here are too smart for that.
[/quote]
Aside from a Bonds apologist or a baseball myopic, any intelligent person’s OPINION would be that he did and did so knowingly.
[quote]vaughn5000 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
vaughn5000 wrote:
Do most guys melons quadruple in size in their 30’s too, ProfX?
Do most people look at someone who shaves their head, compare it to 20 year old photos of the same person much skinnier with hair and a baseball cap and assume their head changed much?
Yes[/quote]
Then tell them to point out the signs of acromegaly. Two posters just informed you their hat sizes from years ago are too small now. Does that mean this is due to GH? The amount of that compound it would take to cause effects like that would also produce more noticeable side effects than someone saying his head looks large. That doesn’t mean he didn’t use it, but to claim the man is showing acromegaly is ridiculous. He isn’t.
[quote]sublime wrote:
I am confused. Is there actually anyone in this forum who thinks Bonds did not use juice / HGH / etc???
I would think people here are too smart for that.
[/quote]
I was just about to ask the same thing. It seems like there are people who are still thoroughly convinced that he never touched the stuff and I cannot understand why.
Do they really believe that? Or do they just not want to believe that the almighty Barry Bonds would never do something like steroids, and that he especially wouldn’t lie about it afterwards?
Personally, I don’t even hold it against him that he took the stuff. If everyone else is doing it and getting away with it, and you had a chance to do it in a healthy, monitored environment, wouldn’t you? I don’t necessarily want to see Bonds get thrown under the bus. It just so happens he’s the marquee player in the game, and because of that, as of right now he makes the best example for what I care about.
The real matter for me here is steroid education. It’s the wool being pulled over peoples’ eyes that pisses me off. Whispers about “So-and-so’s doing this and that” or “You can’t make it to the ‘Show’ unless you juice”. Kids see and hear that and think “Well, if he is I better do it”, so they go to “Big Tony”, the local wannabe bodybuilder at the gym, and they end up seriously fucking their bodies up. I want this stuff to be out in the open so people can be educated on the use of AAS and do it right.
Fuck all of the secrecy. Steroids aren’t going anywhere. As long as people are beating the IOC testing (supposedly the hardest testing out there), then steroids are still going to be a part of every major sport. People just need to be educated. This site is one of the places that’s helping people do that. But it’s kind of hard to move on to the more important part of the discussion, in my opinion (“Not whether he did them, but how he did them”), when people are still having a pissing match and fighting the idea that he juiced.
If people could look at Barry and say “Wow, he did that in a safe, effective manner” and learn from that, then that is great. It doesn’t even have to be people playing baseball or any sport for that matter. Even just a recreational user could look at how some pro athletes are using steroids ane learn from it. I realize this acceptance will never happen in the mainstream media. But I’m talking about the more intelligent everyday fans, future players, and people like us here on the boards.
BTW, here’s an interesting article that talks about the documented evidence for people who are still convinced Barry did everything on natural talent:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/03/06/growth.doc0313/
[i] Documents
At Anderson’s apartment, investigators found steroids, growth hormone and $60,000 in cash, along with a folder that contained doping calendars and other documents detailing Bonds’s use of steroids. Prosecutors questioned Bonds about the documents during his appearance before the grand jury. Some document entries reflect payments for drugs for Bonds: $1,500 for two boxes of growth hormone; $450 for a bottle of Depotestosterone; $100 for 100 Clomiphene pills; $200 for the Cream and the Clear. Other entries reflect Bonds’s drug cycle: For February 2002, a calendar showed alternating days of the Cream, the Clear and growth hormone followed by “Clow,” or Clomid.
A document labeled “BLB 2003” listed cities where the Giants played away games in 2003, with notations for the use of growth hormone, the Clear, the Cream and insulin on specific days. Other documents associated with Bonds referred to the use of trenbolone and “beans,” the Mexican steroid. At Anderson’s apartment, and in a search of BALCO’s trash, the agents also found evidence of Bonds’s blood being sent to drug labs for steroid testing.[/i]
If this really exists, what else can you say?
Very amusing.
Barry Bonds Took Steroids, Reports Everyone Who Has Ever Watched Baseball
[quote]harris447 wrote:
Very amusing.
Barry Bonds Took Steroids, Reports Everyone Who Has Ever Watched Baseball
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46188
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From the link harris posted. Funny stuff.
“None of us were sure exactly which kind of steroids he was on, but we were pretty sure it was the kind that causes you to gain 30 pounds of muscle in one offseason, get injured more easily, become slow-footed, shave your head to conceal your thinning hair, lash out at the media and fans, engage in violent and abrupt mood swings, grow taut tree-trunk-like neck muscles, expand your hatband by six inches, and hit 73 home runs in a single season.”
" . . . but nothing, even an admission by Bonds himself, can conclusively prove that he took steroids, as he has not tested positively in an MLB-sanctioned drug test. Unless that is somehow made to happen, we must all accept his recent unfathomable accomplishments as one of the truly exciting and continuing storylines of this great sport.
When reached for comment, Bonds insisted that he “[doesn’t] have time to deal with all these charges.”
“I’m not going to respond to these 228 million allegations,” Bonds said. “I don’t care what every last person in the entire world thinks. As long as my fans believe me, that’s the most important thing.”"
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
super saiyan wrote:
kane101nod wrote:
I found ‘periods of rage’ to be rather incongruous with being a ‘menacing boor.’ I personally can’t remeber a boring moment viewing a big guy having a wild mood swing while his hair falls out.
-k
They wrote boor, not bore. There is a difference in the two words.
I thought they meany boar. He has been pigging out.
Which is why I don’t understand all of the focus on his weight gain. It isn’t like he is looking like Ronnie Coleman on the field. His physical change isn’t that damn dramatic. Most guys “fill out” in their late 20’s and 30’s.
[/quote]
Yes, they fill out, and lifting as they get older has helped him.
However, baseball statistics DO NOT go up as drastically in your late years like they have for Bonds.
Mantle, Dimagio, Williams, even guys like Ken Griffey (though I hate to even mention him with the rest of these guys), their hitting all got worse as they get older. Its the same as any aging athlete- they’ll never be as good at 35 as they were at 25. Look at Jerry Rice.
No one, ever, in basball, has had Bonds kinds of numbers this late in his career.
I am a basball purist though, and a huge fan at that. I would love to see Bonds crucified to make a point to the rest of the league. At this point, Bud Selig is fucked any way you look at it, so he may as well do something.
Not too mention, if you were a baseball fan outside of SF, you hate Bonds anyway because he is such an asshole to everyone- fans, media, and teamates. He’s a first class scumbag. Doing steroids has made that worse for him…or maybe not doing them, but the ridiculous cover up that has been going on since then.
If he had done what Giambi did, he would just be a second class scumbag. But now, he will be up there with Pete Rose in notoriety.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
super saiyan wrote:
kane101nod wrote:
I found ‘periods of rage’ to be rather incongruous with being a ‘menacing boor.’ I personally can’t remeber a boring moment viewing a big guy having a wild mood swing while his hair falls out.
-k
They wrote boor, not bore. There is a difference in the two words.
I thought they meany boar. He has been pigging out.
Which is why I don’t understand all of the focus on his weight gain. It isn’t like he is looking like Ronnie Coleman on the field. His physical change isn’t that damn dramatic. Most guys “fill out” in their late 20’s and 30’s.
Yes, they fill out, and lifting as they get older has helped him.
However, baseball statistics DO NOT go up as drastically in your late years like they have for Bonds.
Mantle, Dimagio, Williams, even guys like Ken Griffey (though I hate to even mention him with the rest of these guys), their hitting all got worse as they get older. Its the same as any aging athlete- they’ll never be as good at 35 as they were at 25. Look at Jerry Rice.
No one, ever, in basball, has had Bonds kinds of numbers this late in his career.
I am a basball purist though, and a huge fan at that. I would love to see Bonds crucified to make a point to the rest of the league. At this point, Bud Selig is fucked any way you look at it, so he may as well do something.
Not too mention, if you were a baseball fan outside of SF, you hate Bonds anyway because he is such an asshole to everyone- fans, media, and teamates. He’s a first class scumbag. Doing steroids has made that worse for him…or maybe not doing them, but the ridiculous cover up that has been going on since then.
If he had done what Giambi did, he would just be a second class scumbag. But now, he will be up there with Pete Rose in notoriety.[/quote]
I don’t follow baseball. Therefore, his personality means nothing to me. The only thing that keeps jumping out at me is the scientific disadvantage of demonizing an entire field of study that apparently allows you to play youthfully into your 40’s. I read something about him shaving his head because he was losing his hair. I know guys in their 20’s who are nearly bald. It seems like massive speculation all based on misinformation and a hatred for Bonds as a person. That does no one any good.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
…
I don’t follow baseball. Therefore, his personality means nothing to me. The only thing that keeps jumping out at me is the scientific disadvantage of demonizing an entire field of study that apparently allows you to play youthfully into your 40’s. I read something about him shaving his head because he was losing his hair. I know guys in their 20’s who are nearly bald. It seems like massive speculation all based on misinformation and a hatred for Bonds as a person. That does no one any good.[/quote]
There is a lot of bullshit mixed in with the facts.
Bonds is a jerk. Fact.
Bonds took steroids to add muscle. Looks like a fact.
Bonds cheated the IRS and cheats on his wife/girlfriend. Looks like a fact.
Bonds head is bigger than it was. Fact.
Bonds head is bigger because of steroids. Bullshit. We are about the same age and my head is bigger than it was when I was younger. I have never used.
Steroids cause Bonds rage. Bullshit. He was a jerk then and he is now.
Bonds added muscle helped his hitting. Fact.
Bonds is somehow responsible for ruining the intregrity of the game. Bullshit. The game is loaded with steroid users and other cheaters.
Baseball should keep Bonds out of the Hall of Fame. Bullshit. They cannot single him out for this. Unless they do a real investigation and throw out all the users they should let it go.
If Bonds passes Ruth and Aarron on the HR list it will have litle meaning FOR ME. Fact. MLB has allowed this stuff to happen and it has ruined the meanings of any statistics. I cannot blame Bonds alone for this. The whole industry is crooked.
Don’t hate the playa, hate the game or whatever that gay ass saying is.