[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
And it will remain B.S. while we continue to be fixated on race as an issue.[/quote]
Then stop “fixating” on it.
Fine, let’s pose the underlying question. Who here thinks a white woman is a racist for being more cautious around black men?
If we’re talking black men dressed like thugs? I think not. And, I’ll support that argument by saying the same woman would be alert to a white man sporting tats, a budweiser t-shirt, and a scraggly beard. You know, the crystal meth/trailer park thug type you see on ‘Cops.’
As a man, if you carry yourself like a thug, talk like a thug, and dress like a thug, I will suspect you are a thug. And, I will pay you some extra attention as we pass each other by on the sidewalk. But if you’re wearing clothes that fit, as oppossed to falling down past your ass, I probably won’t. And, if you don’t have facial piercings and visible tattoos of skulls on your forearms, I probably won’t pay any extra attention. Etc.
Long story short. I have never been suspicious of a black or white man wearing clothes, and sporting grooming habits, as if his mamma had raised him well.
And one last difficult question. One that surprisinly hasn’t been asked, what with all the white woman vs. black man talk. Do you think black women are more alert of black men around them, than they would be of white men?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Long story short. I have never been suspicious of a black or white man wearing clothes, and sporting grooming habits, as if his mamma had raised him well.
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I’m sorry, but I have to dress in ways that you personally feel comfortable around in order for you to not feel suspicious? If I leave the gym and am wearing my usual sleeveless shirt/tank top and UnderArmour shorts, this lends itself to suspicion?
I need to know so that I don’t accidentally cause anyone to be more “cautious”.
[quote]
BostonBarrister wrote:
And it will remain B.S. while we continue to be fixated on race as an issue.
Professor X wrote:
Then stop “fixating” on it.[/quote]
I’m happy to do so - and I’d ask the same of you.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
And it will remain B.S. while we continue to be fixated on race as an issue.
Professor X wrote:
Then stop “fixating” on it.
I’m happy to do so - and I’d ask the same of you.[/quote]
I’m not one of the ones creating a new Obama thread daily while claiming I’m not voting for him.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Long story short. I have never been suspicious of a black or white man wearing clothes, and sporting grooming habits, as if his mamma had raised him well.
I’m sorry, but I have to dress in ways that you personally feel comfortable around in order for you to not feel suspicious? If I leave the gym and am wearing my usual sleeveless shirt/tank top and UnderArmour shorts, this lends itself to suspicion?
I need to know so that I don’t accidentally cause anyone to be more “cautious”.[/quote]
You don’t have to dress in any way to make me less cautious. Nor, do I have to be less cautious of those around me. As long I’m not tasering you out of the clear blue, why the hell would you beat yourself up over it? By the way, I do know what workout clothes tend to look like.
Looking like you just got out of the gym, is a far cry from having jeans drooping off your ass. Or long hair, a beard, and tats. My biological father and uncles are the stereotype of a big mean looking bikers. Outside of one them (who drank himself to death), they are fairly decent folk. Yet, I’m still much more aware of guys nearby sporting that type of look, than the guy wearing a pair of khakis and a polo shirt.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Fine, let’s pose the underlying question. Who here thinks a white woman is a racist for being more cautious around black men?
If we’re talking black men dressed like thugs? I think not. And, I’ll support that argument by saying the same woman would be alert to a white man sporting tats, a budweiser t-shirt, and a scraggly beard. You know, the crystal meth/trailer park thug type you see on ‘Cops.’
As a man, if you carry yourself like a thug, talk like a thug, and dress like a thug, I will suspect you are a thug. And, I will pay you some extra attention as we pass each other by on the sidewalk. But if you’re wearing clothes that fit, as oppossed to falling down past your ass, I probably won’t. And, if you don’t have facial piercings and visible tattoos of skulls on your forearms, I probably won’t pay any extra attention. Etc.
Long story short. I have never been suspicious of a black or white man wearing clothes, and sporting grooming habits, as if his mamma had raised him well.
And one last difficult question. One that surprisinly hasn’t been asked, what with all the white woman vs. black man talk. Do you think black women are more alert of black men around them, than they would be of white men? [/quote]
You usually raise good point, mate, but this one here is simply rationalizing racism. You need to get over the fact that the term does not necessarily need to carry a negative connotation (although more often than not, it does) if you want to get over the hatred, fear and other destructive sentiments.
Most of you lot propagate the very PC attitude you claim to loathe so much. I’m not advocating cynism, but use logic instead of falling for appeal to emotions.
By the way Prof, are you just oblivious to everyone and your personal safety at all times? Or, are you equaly aware of all individuals, at all times. Or, do certain races/appearances cause you to become more aware of who is around you?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Long story short. I have never been suspicious of a black or white man wearing clothes, and sporting grooming habits, as if his mamma had raised him well.
I’m sorry, but I have to dress in ways that you personally feel comfortable around in order for you to not feel suspicious? If I leave the gym and am wearing my usual sleeveless shirt/tank top and UnderArmour shorts, this lends itself to suspicion?
I need to know so that I don’t accidentally cause anyone to be more “cautious”.
You don’t have to dress in any way to make me less cautious. Nor, do I have to be less cautious of those around me. As long I’m not tasering you out of the clear blue, why the hell would you beat yourself up over it? By the way, I do know what workout clothes tend to look like.
Looking like you just got out of the gym, is a far cry from having jeans drooping off your ass. Or long hair, a beard, and tats. My biological father and uncles are the stereotype of a big mean looking bikers. Outside of one them (who drank himself to death), they are fairly decent folk. Yet, I’m still much more aware of guys nearby sporting that type of look, than the guy wearing a pair of khakis and a polo shirt. [/quote]
It isn’t a far cry. If you saw me casually, you would see leather jackets on my bike, tank tops and shorts most of the time. I may or may not be coming from the gym.
The way most people dress is based on CULTURE and their peers. Hip hop culture, especially, has crossed over so much that anyone talking about what “thugs” wear must be about 15 years out of date…because unless they have a colored rag or bandanna hanging out of their pocket, the chances of them actually being gang members (depending on where you live) are pretty slim.
That means that since your standards are NOT universal, applying your level of caution to attire doesn’t even make sense.
For all of the talk about transcending race, that clearly isn’t the only stereotype that needs to be shot in the head.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
By the way Prof, are you just oblivious to everyone and your personal safety at all times? Or, are you equaly aware of all individuals, at all times. Or, do certain races/appearances cause you to become more aware of who is around you? [/quote]
Wait, why don’t you ask this question of those who have already stated that the original statement that started this thread is incorrect?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Fine, let’s pose the underlying question. Who here thinks a white woman is a racist for being more cautious around black men?
If we’re talking black men dressed like thugs? I think not. And, I’ll support that argument by saying the same woman would be alert to a white man sporting tats, a budweiser t-shirt, and a scraggly beard. You know, the crystal meth/trailer park thug type you see on ‘Cops.’
As a man, if you carry yourself like a thug, talk like a thug, and dress like a thug, I will suspect you are a thug. And, I will pay you some extra attention as we pass each other by on the sidewalk. But if you’re wearing clothes that fit, as oppossed to falling down past your ass, I probably won’t. And, if you don’t have facial piercings and visible tattoos of skulls on your forearms, I probably won’t pay any extra attention. Etc.
Long story short. I have never been suspicious of a black or white man wearing clothes, and sporting grooming habits, as if his mamma had raised him well.
And one last difficult question. One that surprisinly hasn’t been asked, what with all the white woman vs. black man talk. Do you think black women are more alert of black men around them, than they would be of white men?
You usually raise good point, mate, but this one here is simply rationalizing racism. You need to get over the fact that the term does not necessarily need to carry a negative connotation (although more often than not, it does) if you want to get over the hatred, fear and other destructive sentiments.
Most of you lot propagate the very PC attitude you claim to loathe so much. I’m not advocating cynism, but use logic instead of falling for appeal to emotions. [/quote]
I actually argued that clothes, tattoos, and the way one carries themselves is what will catch my attention. Therefore, I don’t see how I would by rationalizing racism. If you dress like a thugh, talk like a thug, and carry yourself like you’re billy bad ass, I’m going to pay some attention to you as you approach me.
Have none of you people ever been a victim of a violent crime? Or, even know anyone that has been?
But, I am still interested in my “typical black woman” question.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Long story short. I have never been suspicious of a black or white man wearing clothes, and sporting grooming habits, as if his mamma had raised him well.
I’m sorry, but I have to dress in ways that you personally feel comfortable around in order for you to not feel suspicious? If I leave the gym and am wearing my usual sleeveless shirt/tank top and UnderArmour shorts, this lends itself to suspicion?
I need to know so that I don’t accidentally cause anyone to be more “cautious”.
You don’t have to dress in any way to make me less cautious. Nor, do I have to be less cautious of those around me. As long I’m not tasering you out of the clear blue, why the hell would you beat yourself up over it? By the way, I do know what workout clothes tend to look like.
Looking like you just got out of the gym, is a far cry from having jeans drooping off your ass. Or long hair, a beard, and tats. My biological father and uncles are the stereotype of a big mean looking bikers. Outside of one them (who drank himself to death), they are fairly decent folk. Yet, I’m still much more aware of guys nearby sporting that type of look, than the guy wearing a pair of khakis and a polo shirt.
It isn’t a far cry. If you saw me casually, you would see leather jackets on my bike, tank tops and shorts most of the time. I may or may not be coming from the gym.
The way most people dress is based on CULTURE and their peers. Hip hop culture, especially, has crossed over so much that anyone talking about what “thugs” wear must be about 15 years out of date…because unless they have a colored rag or bandanna hanging out of their pocket, the chances of them actually being gang members (depending on where you live) are pretty slim.
That means that since your standards are NOT universal, applying your level of caution to attire doesn’t even make sense.
For all of the talk about transcending race, that clearly isn’t the only stereotype that needs to be shot in the head.[/quote]
I’m fine with being a clothes/attitude bigot, and make no apologies.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
lixy wrote:
I actually argued that clothes, tattoos, and the way one carries themselves is what will catch my attention. Therefore, I don’t see how I would by rationalizing racism. If you dress like a thugh, talk like a thug, and carry yourself like you’re billy bad ass, I’m going to pay some attention to you as you approach me.
Have none of you people ever been a victim of a violent crime? Or, even know anyone that has been?
But, I am still interested in my “typical black woman” question.[/quote]
I have tattoos. I wear tank tops. I also have a BS degree in Biology and DMD.
If most young black men are likely, based on similar culture, to dress just the way you keep calling “thuggish”, then you just justified what Obama stated but blamed the culture instead of the skin color.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
An American writes, “I owe my freedom to white men” on this forum and no one bats an eye. Let someone claim that the typical white person is afraid of blacks and all hell breaks loose.
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Like I said, we are way, way, way, way to sensitive about race. We can’t even hold a decent conversation about it.
Races are different. Noticing differences or feeling fear because one is by one’s self in a potentially compromising situation is not being racist. People fear differences and gravitate toward similarities. All peoples do it. It is a natural feeling.
I don’t believe white people are afraid of black people typically. A person of one set of traits approaching a group of people who share similar traits with each other but not with the person approaching may cause that person some degree of fear. Thaat is not racism, it is just being cautious. Circumstances determine whether people are better off avoided or not.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
By the way Prof, are you just oblivious to everyone and your personal safety at all times? Or, are you equaly aware of all individuals, at all times. Or, do certain races/appearances cause you to become more aware of who is around you?
Wait, why don’t you ask this question of those who have already stated that the original statement that started this thread is incorrect?
[/quote]
Because I’d like an honest answer to the question I’ve posed?
[quote]pat wrote:
Professor X wrote:
An American writes, “I owe my freedom to white men” on this forum and no one bats an eye. Let someone claim that the typical white person is afraid of blacks and all hell breaks loose.
Like I said, we are way, way, way, way to sensitive about race. We can’t even hold a decent conversation about it.
Races are different. Noticing differences or feeling fear because one is by one’s self in a potentially compromising situation is not being racist. People fear differences and gravitate toward similarities. All peoples do it. It is a natural feeling.
I don’t believe white people are afraid of black people typically. A person of one set of traits approaching a group of people who share similar traits with each other but not with the person approaching may cause that person some degree of fear. Thaat is not racism, it is just being cautious. Circumstances determine whether people are better off avoided or not.
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Then how is what Obama stated incorrect based on what you just wrote? Because he used “fear” instead of “caution”?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
lixy wrote:
I actually argued that clothes, tattoos, and the way one carries themselves is what will catch my attention. Therefore, I don’t see how I would by rationalizing racism. If you dress like a thugh, talk like a thug, and carry yourself like you’re billy bad ass, I’m going to pay some attention to you as you approach me.
Have none of you people ever been a victim of a violent crime? Or, even know anyone that has been?
But, I am still interested in my “typical black woman” question.
I have tattoos. I wear tank tops. I also have a BS degree in Biology and DMD.
If most young black men are likely, based on similar culture, to dress just the way you keep calling “thuggish”, then you just justified what Obama stated but blamed the culture instead of the skin color.[/quote]
Do you have a wife or daughter?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
lixy wrote:
I actually argued that clothes, tattoos, and the way one carries themselves is what will catch my attention. Therefore, I don’t see how I would by rationalizing racism. If you dress like a thugh, talk like a thug, and carry yourself like you’re billy bad ass, I’m going to pay some attention to you as you approach me.
Have none of you people ever been a victim of a violent crime? Or, even know anyone that has been?
But, I am still interested in my “typical black woman” question.
I have tattoos. I wear tank tops. I also have a BS degree in Biology and DMD.
If most young black men are likely, based on similar culture, to dress just the way you keep calling “thuggish”, then you just justified what Obama stated but blamed the culture instead of the skin color.
Do you have a wife or daughter? [/quote]
I have a younger sister. I also am very close to my younger cousin. She graduates from college in May. Both of them generally go out with people who you would be “cautious” around.
[quote]pat wrote:
People fear differences and gravitate toward similarities. All peoples do it. It is a natural feeling.
I don’t believe white people are afraid of black people typically.
[/quote]
You really don’t see the blatant contradiction in what you wrote?
If said traits encompass anything racial, it is racism. You don’t even seem to know what the word means.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
lixy wrote:
I actually argued that clothes, tattoos, and the way one carries themselves is what will catch my attention. Therefore, I don’t see how I would by rationalizing racism. If you dress like a thugh, talk like a thug, and carry yourself like you’re billy bad ass, I’m going to pay some attention to you as you approach me.
Have none of you people ever been a victim of a violent crime? Or, even know anyone that has been?
But, I am still interested in my “typical black woman” question.
I have tattoos. I wear tank tops. I also have a BS degree in Biology and DMD.
If most young black men are likely, based on similar culture, to dress just the way you keep calling “thuggish”, then you just justified what Obama stated but blamed the culture instead of the skin color.
Do you have a wife or daughter?
I have a younger sister. I also am very close to my younger cousin. She graduates from college in May. Both of them generally go out with people who you would be “cautious” around.[/quote]
But,
how would a grandmother feel around them?