[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Iraq[/quote]
You’ve won this thread.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The word “stereotype” exists for a reason.
I actually agree with you, but a politician running for President and trying to be “post-racial” can’t do this stuff.[/quote]
It seems like a post racial candidate should be allowed to speak openly about “this stuff”.
[quote]100meters wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The word “stereotype” exists for a reason.
I actually agree with you, but a politician running for President and trying to be “post-racial” can’t do this stuff.
It seems like a post racial candidate should be allowed to speak openly about “this stuff”.
[/quote]
Or not at all.
Didn’t you know? A national discussion on race isn’t a two-way conversation. In reality it’s a one way lecture aimed at whitey. Just nod your head, agree, and say something like “yeah, I see how we deserve that.”
[quote]new2training wrote:
I think Barack may have lost the nomination over these recent developments. He has certainly lost his momentum.
The whole grandmother anecdote is a clumsy mess. [/quote]
How would he lose the nomination?
The race is already over isn’t it?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Didn’t you know? A national discussion on race isn’t a two-way conversation. In reality it’s a one way lecture aimed at whitey. Just nod your head, agree, and say something like “yeah, I see how we deserve that.”[/quote]
uh, how does that relate to Obama?
[quote]100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Didn’t you know? A national discussion on race isn’t a two-way conversation. In reality it’s a one way lecture aimed at whitey. Just nod your head, agree, and say something like “yeah, I see how we deserve that.”
uh, how does that relate to Obama?[/quote]
How doesn’t it? Now, think on that for a bit.
[quote]100meters wrote:
new2training wrote:
I think Barack may have lost the nomination over these recent developments. He has certainly lost his momentum.
The whole grandmother anecdote is a clumsy mess.
How would he lose the nomination?
The race is already over isn’t it?[/quote]
Pretty much. He would have to lose the rest of the states badly and then do something really stupid to get some super delegates to jump to lose this nomination.
I am still voting for Hillary.
[quote]100meters wrote:
It seems like a post racial candidate should be allowed to speak openly about “this stuff”.
[/quote]
First he’d need to establish that he was post-racial. That’s the genesis of this whole brouhaha really - skepticism about that label, and evidence coming to light that belies the labeling.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
new2training wrote:
I think Barack may have lost the nomination over these recent developments. He has certainly lost his momentum.
The whole grandmother anecdote is a clumsy mess.
How would he lose the nomination?
The race is already over isn’t it?
Pretty much. He would have to lose the rest of the states badly and then do something really stupid to get some super delegates to jump to lose this nomination.
I am still voting for Hillary.[/quote]
Do you have to swear allegiance to the principles of the democratic party when switching parties, cuz there’s a bit of controversy in Ohio about this…
[quote]Sloth wrote:
100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Didn’t you know? A national discussion on race isn’t a two-way conversation. In reality it’s a one way lecture aimed at whitey. Just nod your head, agree, and say something like “yeah, I see how we deserve that.”
uh, how does that relate to Obama?
How doesn’t it? Now, think on that for a bit.[/quote]
I did, I don’t see a one-way lecture aimed at whitey at all from Obama.
Looks like Barack has some of the same fears as his white grandmother:
The loud and clear message I get from all of this is that it is too soon to elect a black man to the presidency, no matter how eloquent or intelligent he is. White people (well, I am) are shocked by how much anger still lurks in the black community. Sure bigotry exists but it won’t go away by having Liberation Theology all over TV and the WEB, and it won’t go away if leaders like Obama say stuff like what he did.
Sidenote: it doesn’t help either if black parents give wierd names to their kids. I’m sorry but I KNOW that Shaniqua is black. It makes me think of someone who trumpets their race with a name, and I think that’s dumb. Guess I’m a typical white person redneck racist…
I don’t see what the fuss is all about. A “typical white person” would indeed be more wary of blacks passing him/her on the street, than if it was a group of caucasians.
BB, this “post-racial” you keep throwing around has no foundation. Evo Morales was elected on that platform, which doesn’t mean centuries of animosity have been brushed. It means that society is being transformed into an egalitarian one, and that all the power isn’t still concentrated in the hands of the traditional oppressor.
That is what a black man in the White House is supposed to represent in my opinion. Sadly, looking at these forums, the race card is thrown left and right to undermine his candidacy. In fact, everyone is so focused on the color of his skin that you can hardly speak of “post-racial” anything. People tend to forget - all too often - that the Apartheid was still in effect less than two decades ago.
Ronald Reagan, the most adored and revered president of the last 45 years, has been a staunch supporter of the monstruous regime. Despite that (and the “intervention” in Grenada) the man won a landslide reelection. So quit bringing up this “post-racial” thing, because it makes absolutely no sense. Despite all the progress
achieved, America remains a very racial country.
And just so we’re clear, I hate Obama. He is a sleazy opportunistic clod.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The loud and clear message I get from all of this is that it is too soon to elect a black man to the presidency, no matter how eloquent or intelligent he is. [/quote]
Amen.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
new2training wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Iraq
I see your point. Might as well get it over with.
Also, muslims are violent, austrian economics rock, the jews did it, morality is relative, and Bush sucks.
That should cover it for the next week.
Chill…We’re making Lixy happy. Every thread has to have Iraq somwhere in it. Its an inside joke. ;D
[/quote]
I was absolutely joking. I thought Zap’s first post was funny, as usual. I guess my f/u wasn’t 
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
new2training wrote:
I think Barack may have lost the nomination over these recent developments. He has certainly lost his momentum.
The whole grandmother anecdote is a clumsy mess.
How would he lose the nomination?
The race is already over isn’t it?
Pretty much. He would have to lose the rest of the states badly and then do something really stupid to get some super delegates to jump to lose this nomination.
I am still voting for Hillary.[/quote]
I didn’t realize it was a lock already. Perhaps my comment is better geared towards the genereal election then.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The loud and clear message I get from all of this is that it is too soon to elect a black man to the presidency, no matter how eloquent or intelligent he is. White people (well, I am) are shocked by how much anger still lurks in the black community. Sure bigotry exists but it won’t go away by having Liberation Theology all over TV and the WEB, and it won’t go away if leaders like Obama say stuff like what he did.
Sidenote: it doesn’t help either if black parents give wierd names to their kids. I’m sorry but I KNOW that Shaniqua is black. It makes me think of someone who trumpets their race with a name, and I think that’s dumb. Guess I’m a typical white person redneck racist…[/quote]
I disagree. If there is electable president who shares my beliefs, is a decent person, and a proven track record, then he/she is getting my vote. I don’t give a shit what he or she is, period.
I think a lot of people share my sentiment.
The reason I am not voting for Obama is that I pretty much disagree with everything he says and stands for. Definately got nothing to do with race.
An American writes, “I owe my freedom to white men” on this forum and no one bats an eye. Let someone claim that the typical white person is afraid of blacks and all hell breaks loose.
[quote]lixy wrote:
I don’t see what the fuss is all about. A “typical white person” would indeed be more wary of blacks passing him/her on the street, than if it was a group of caucasians.
BB, this “post-racial” you keep throwing around has no foundation. Evo Morales was elected on that platform, which doesn’t mean centuries of animosity have been brushed. It means that society is being transformed into an egalitarian one, and that all the power isn’t still concentrated in the hands of the traditional oppressor.
That is what a black man in the White House is supposed to represent in my opinion. Sadly, looking at these forums, the race card is thrown left and right to undermine his candidacy. In fact, everyone is so focused on the color of his skin that you can hardly speak of “post-racial” anything. People tend to forget - all too often - that the Apartheid was still in effect less than two decades ago.
Ronald Reagan, the most adored and revered president of the last 45 years, has been a staunch supporter of the monstruous regime. Despite that (and the “intervention” in Grenada) the man won a landslide reelection. So quit bringing up this “post-racial” thing, because it makes absolutely no sense. Despite all the progress
achieved, America remains a very racial country.
And just so we’re clear, I hate Obama. He is a sleazy opportunistic clod. [/quote]
That’s my whole point in bringing it up - it’s B.S.
And it will remain B.S. while we continue to be fixated on race as an issue.