Bands I Hate

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

Led zepplin had a great guitarist, but thats just about it. Robery Plant? Seriosuly? Go have someone punch your grandmother while shes on the shitter, sounds exactly like robert plant’s voice.
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this is the only thing I’ll take issue with … JPJ is one of the most gifted and well trained musicians (yes, he’s not a bassist, he’s a musician) EVER. Dude plays multiple instruments better than 99% of the world’s population. When it comes to musical talent Jimmy Page couldn’t lick JPJ’s sweaty ass crack. And that’s saying a lot b/c I think Page was an amazing guitarist. Not to mention that John Bonham is every drummers favorite drummer (give or take a few snobs). Most, if not all, drummers worth noting note Bonham as the drummer that influenced them to be drummers and most have Bonhams fucking tatoo.

So, yea, you’re dead fuckin’ wrong about Page being the only one with any talent in that band.[/quote]

COMPLETELY forgot about JPJ. you are right.[/quote]

it’s cool … JPJ’s a quiet dude

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Uh, Led Zeppelin had a great guitarist and that’s about it? John Bonham is universally regarded as the best rock drummer of all time and is also the most influential drummer of all time. [/quote]

“Universally regarded”? Don’t think I’d say that. He had some stiff competition in the form of a toilet destroying, luxury car submerging maniac named Moon the Loon…

(Bonham was incredible, but I can’t think of a single musician who has earned an overwhelming consensus at being “THE best” at what they play…)

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ahh Keith Moon … that dude was also great on the skins … when he was conscious[/quote]

I’m a huge Who fan and Sept 7, 1978 is was sad day for me. No one played like him before or since. You can rip him and his skills or lack of them but I won’t listen lol.

I have satellite radio at work and by far the worst station is Lithium. The programmer for that station has the easiest job in the world. Same dozen or so bands all…day…long. The nineties were pretty fucking sad but we’ve already covered that in other threads I believe. Every era has some good and bad i guess.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Ya know, Nickleback isn’t that bad. Not a great band or even good, but I’m a little annoyed with all the weak minded folk who decide they wanna be like the cool kids and follow what band its cool to hate.[/quote]

Agreed. That’s also the same reason some bands/ performers are successful. Pearl Jam,U2, Micheal Jackson are all mediocre at best. They are marketed, get massive airplay, promotions and the general public eats it up.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Ya know, Nickleback isn’t that bad. Not a great band or even good, but I’m a little annoyed with all the weak minded folk who decide they wanna be like the cool kids and follow what band its cool to hate.[/quote]

your premise is wrong - you’re under the assumption that we hate Nickelback because we perceive it to be cool to hate Nickelback when in reality we all have similar tastes in music and Nickelback happens not to appeal to our palate.

Plus they suck monkey balls…

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Ya know, Nickleback isn’t that bad. Not a great band or even good, but I’m a little annoyed with all the weak minded folk who decide they wanna be like the cool kids and follow what band its cool to hate.[/quote]

your premise is wrong - you’re under the assumption that we hate Nickelback because we perceive it to be cool to hate Nickelback when in reality we all have similar tastes in music and Nickelback happens not to appeal to our palate.

Plus they suck monkey balls…[/quote]

The only thing I respect about them is they wrote a song in tribute to Dimebag…which sucked balls lol.

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re: Nickelback

The problem with Nickelback is that Nickelback can’t decide what they want to be-- heavy rock band or top-of-the-charts pop band.

At the core, some of their songs aren’t bad-- they’re just HORRIBLY over produced. They cram so much shit into their songs that it sounds like they were never able to say ‘no’ to a shitty idea. Their songs don’t breathe and they can’t pull off ‘density’ in a 2:30 pop song.

When they try to be heavy, they put stupid hook shit in their that wreaks of over production and pop-formulation.

When they try to be ‘poppy’, they throw a ‘Damn’ (or other ‘curse word’) in to ‘keep it edgy’. You can’t have both. It’s hard to appeal to 16-40 year old metal heads and 11 year old girls.

If they cut the shit I think I could enjoy them. I just can’t get past the feeling that I’m being given generic mass-appeal Wal-Mart formula rock everytime I hear them.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
re: Nickelback

The problem with Nickelback is that Nickelback can’t decide what they want to be-- heavy rock band or top-of-the-charts pop band.

At the core, some of their songs aren’t bad-- they’re just HORRIBLY over produced. They cram so much shit into their songs that it sounds like they were never able to say ‘no’ to a shitty idea. Their songs don’t breathe and they can’t pull off ‘density’ in a 2:30 pop song.

When they try to be heavy, they put stupid hook shit in their that wreaks of over production and pop-formulation.

When they try to be ‘poppy’, they throw a ‘Damn’ (or other ‘curse word’) in to ‘keep it edgy’. You can’t have both. It’s hard to appeal to 16-40 year old metal heads and 11 year old girls.

If they cut the shit I think I could enjoy them. I just can’t get past the feeling that I’m being given generic mass-appeal Wal-Mart formula rock everytime I hear them.[/quote]

Nailed it! You know as much as I despise their music for all the reasons you mentioned(better than I ever could), I would bet that they would be a blast to hang out with for a day. They probably like the music I do and would have alot in commen regarding musical taste.

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[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Defiance wrote:
Dream theater[/quote]

FU man. just FU.[/quote]

Gotta agree about not liking Dream Theater. Don’t get me wrong, they are INCREDIBLY talented musicians, but there is absolutely no cohesion whatsoever. When I hear their songs I think of a bunch of kids trying to summon adult attention jumping off a diving board…“look at me! I’m an insane bassist! NO, it’s MY turn, listen to me DRUM!!”.
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I used to love them, but they’ve lost the ability/desire to write songs over the last few albums and everything starts to sound like a rambling, overlong, mess. They certainly don’t suck, but their best days are behind them.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:
Jason Mraz.

There’s not that many bands or artists that I can say that I genuinely hate, but he’s one of them.[/quote]

Never heard of him, but you convinced me with that photo.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Most modern rock/alternative stuff sucks nowadays. ANY band, new or old, TODAY, sucks.

311 was ok back in the day, but AMber is the color of your energy? What the fuck is that shit?

Nickelback’s songs all sound the same.

Dave Matthews band… Unless you’re a college broski pothead, these guys have ALWAYS sucked. OMG THEY HAVE A FIDDLE PLAYER shut the fuck up.

The lead singer from Pearl jam says the same lines in every song, something along the lines of “flagabaga schlamalama dingdong onya mama… yeah heah!”

And as for the old shit,

Led zepplin had a great guitarist, but thats just about it. Robery Plant? Seriosuly? Go have someone punch your grandmother while shes on the shitter, sounds exactly like robert plant’s voice.

Rush had good guitar and drums, but how can you not want to fill your own ears with epoxy after listening to geddy lee’s voice for more than 2 minutes?

Beatles, well, im sure listening to them while under the influence of drugs had nothing to do with their success. Communism either.

And seriosuly, fuck all this screamo black metal bullshit, half of you kids all want to be “different”, yet all your shit sounds exactly the same!

Every fucking band is named something retarded like “Death Pocalypse” or “Festering Fuckbag”, and the guy basically dry-humps his guitar to make stupid OVERUSED SHITTY RIFFS, and lets not forget your OH so cool breakdowns where you all get to do swing kicks and dance around like little mating fairies to the JUGJUG. JUGAJUGAJUGAJUGA JUG JUG. JUG JUG fucking drop D open chord bullshit tuning,./,./ SO FUCKEN BADASS.

Needless to say, i don’t really listen to music much anymore.

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Uh, Led Zeppelin had a great guitarist and that’s about it? John Bonham is universally regarded as the best rock drummer of all time and is also the most influential drummer of all time. Everything played on the drums in rock music today owes a huge debt to Bonham. If you ask any drummer who their influences are, they’ll all have a different list, but they’ll ALL have Bonham on it. He could do it all. The bass drum triplet? He practically invented it.

John Paul Jones is still a highly in demand bassist and was before, during and after Zeppelin. And Robert Plant? His voice isn’t for everyone, but there are only a few frontmen in rock who can stand on the same stage as him. Mick Jagger and a few others, that’s it. His vocal range was virtually unparalleled.

I doubt anyone could legitimately come up with a band whose members were a better collection of musicians than Led Zeppelin. In fact, I challenge anyone to name a band that had a more technically-proficient guitarist, bassist and drummer who is also as influential to every generation of rock bands that has come along as they were.[/quote]

I love you.

No homo.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Most modern rock/alternative stuff sucks nowadays. ANY band, new or old, TODAY, sucks.

311 was ok back in the day, but AMber is the color of your energy? What the fuck is that shit?

Nickelback’s songs all sound the same.

Dave Matthews band… Unless you’re a college broski pothead, these guys have ALWAYS sucked. OMG THEY HAVE A FIDDLE PLAYER shut the fuck up.

The lead singer from Pearl jam says the same lines in every song, something along the lines of “flagabaga schlamalama dingdong onya mama… yeah heah!”

And as for the old shit,

Led zepplin had a great guitarist, but thats just about it. Robery Plant? Seriosuly? Go have someone punch your grandmother while shes on the shitter, sounds exactly like robert plant’s voice.

Rush had good guitar and drums, but how can you not want to fill your own ears with epoxy after listening to geddy lee’s voice for more than 2 minutes?

Beatles, well, im sure listening to them while under the influence of drugs had nothing to do with their success. Communism either.

And seriosuly, fuck all this screamo black metal bullshit, half of you kids all want to be “different”, yet all your shit sounds exactly the same!

Every fucking band is named something retarded like “Death Pocalypse” or “Festering Fuckbag”, and the guy basically dry-humps his guitar to make stupid OVERUSED SHITTY RIFFS, and lets not forget your OH so cool breakdowns where you all get to do swing kicks and dance around like little mating fairies to the JUGJUG. JUGAJUGAJUGAJUGA JUG JUG. JUG JUG fucking drop D open chord bullshit tuning,./,./ SO FUCKEN BADASS.

Needless to say, i don’t really listen to music much anymore.

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Uh, Led Zeppelin had a great guitarist and that’s about it? John Bonham is universally regarded as the best rock drummer of all time and is also the most influential drummer of all time. Everything played on the drums in rock music today owes a huge debt to Bonham. If you ask any drummer who their influences are, they’ll all have a different list, but they’ll ALL have Bonham on it. He could do it all. The bass drum triplet? He practically invented it.

John Paul Jones is still a highly in demand bassist and was before, during and after Zeppelin. And Robert Plant? His voice isn’t for everyone, but there are only a few frontmen in rock who can stand on the same stage as him. Mick Jagger and a few others, that’s it. His vocal range was virtually unparalleled.

I doubt anyone could legitimately come up with a band whose members were a better collection of musicians than Led Zeppelin. In fact, I challenge anyone to name a band that had a more technically-proficient guitarist, bassist and drummer who is also as influential to every generation of rock bands that has come along as they were.[/quote]

The Who.
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No.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:

No.[/quote]

When you’re comparing such top-tier bands as these, it’s really hard to quantify “best”, but I think The Who presents a pretty compelling challenge to Zep musically.

My personal opinion…

John Entwistle was much better than JPJ at bass. JPJ was a better overall musician (as a multi-instrumentalist) but IMO couldn’t touch Entwistle bass-wise. Check out old “thunderfingers” here…I believe this was shortly before he died

Moon vs. Bonham…toss-up. Bonham was more innovative but I think Moon had more natural talent. It is rumoured that he barely practiced! I pretty much consider Neil Peart to be a God and he ranks Moon much higher than Bonham. Unfortunately very few videos of Moon’s solos exist, but here’s his famous “fishbowl” one and JB playing Moby Dick…

(There exists an 8 minute version of this solo, but I cant find it! This one minute snip of it really doesnt do it justice)

Page vs. Townshend…honestly I don’t know enough about guitars to properly compare the two, but I lean towards Page simply because I like his style better…

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I know he was a jazz drummer, but out of respect here is a guy who could make Bonham, Peart, Moon and pretty much anyone else his bitch.

Buddy Rich. RIP

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[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

No.[/quote]

When you’re comparing such top-tier bands as these, it’s really hard to quantify “best”, but I think The Who presents a pretty compelling challenge to Zep musically.

My personal opinion…

John Entwistle was much better than JPJ at bass. JPJ was a better overall musician (as a multi-instrumentalist) but IMO couldn’t touch Entwistle bass-wise. Check out old “thunderfingers” here…I believe this was shortly before he died

Moon vs. Bonham…toss-up. Bonham was more innovative but I think Moon had more natural talent. It is rumoured that he barely practiced! I pretty much consider Neil Peart to be a God and he ranks Moon much higher than Bonham. Unfortunately very few videos of Moon’s solos exist, but here’s his famous “fishbowl” one and JB playing Moby Dick…

(There exists an 8 minute version of this solo, but I cant find it! This one minute snip of it really doesnt do it justice)

Page vs. Townshend…honestly I don’t know enough about guitars to properly compare the two, but I lean towards Page simply because I like his style better…[/quote]

Testy gave a response without any reasoning so I did the same just to break his balls. :slight_smile:

I consider myself a fan of The Who as well. You give a good breakdown and comparison.

I give the edge to LZ because they were such a phenomenal live band. I would concede that in the studio The Who and LZ were on par with each other, but I don’t think The Who could touch LZ in a live show (and The Who were no slouches in a live setting either).

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This just in folks, Chad Booger of Nickleback has just been awarded his own signature guitar…good grief!.

I gotta find that Moon solo, thanks for the teaser Pimpbot5000. I also remember reading somewhere that Buddy Rich was a right cunt to fans.

Bonham was rumored to be the hardest drummer around. No one would lend him their kits because it would come back just thrashed. His heel/toe/heel bass drum technique is genius like others here mentioned.

I watched the Chickenfoot DVD awhile back and although I’m still not crazy about them it was worth it just to watch Chad Smith play and he’s nuts off camera lol.

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[quote]Angelot wrote:
Best workout bands IMO:

1.Godsmack
2.Tool
3.Slipknot
4.Mudvayne
5.Machinehead
6.Drowningpool
7.High on Fire
8.Hellyeah
9.Static X
10.Rev Theory
11.Old Metallica(Ride the Lightning,Master of Puppets,And Justice for All)[/quote]

Godsmack is birdshit, and you placing it on the top of your list makes you birdshit. They are up there with Nickeldick, which is also birdshit.

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Okay, I’ll admit that The Who could give Led Zeppelin a run for their money as far as best team of rock musicians. But the fact that no other band has been mentioned says something powerful about Led Zeppelin. At this point it’s purely personal preference.

I will say this though. Bonham and Moon were possibly equals on the drums (I prefer Bonham, but again, a personal preference). They were both innovators and when you heard them play, you knew right away who it was because no one sounded like them. But Bonham is still the more influential drummer in that a lot of the top rock drummers today are essentially still emulating him.

Josh Freese and Danny Carey don’t make that list, but a lot of others do. Chad Smith, Dave Grohl, Brad Wilk, Travis Barker, Stewart Copeland, Matt Cameron, Jimmy Chamberlain, Jon Theodore, hell even Clyde Stubblefield and Jabo Starks (with James Brown) were great funk drummers who idolized Bonham…and he idolized them.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

No.[/quote]

When you’re comparing such top-tier bands as these, it’s really hard to quantify “best”, but I think The Who presents a pretty compelling challenge to Zep musically.

My personal opinion…

John Entwistle was much better than JPJ at bass. JPJ was a better overall musician (as a multi-instrumentalist) but IMO couldn’t touch Entwistle bass-wise. Check out old “thunderfingers” here…I believe this was shortly before he died

Moon vs. Bonham…toss-up. Bonham was more innovative but I think Moon had more natural talent. It is rumoured that he barely practiced! I pretty much consider Neil Peart to be a God and he ranks Moon much higher than Bonham. Unfortunately very few videos of Moon’s solos exist, but here’s his famous “fishbowl” one and JB playing Moby Dick…

(There exists an 8 minute version of this solo, but I cant find it! This one minute snip of it really doesnt do it justice)

Page vs. Townshend…honestly I don’t know enough about guitars to properly compare the two, but I lean towards Page simply because I like his style better…[/quote]

Testy gave a response without any reasoning so I did the same just to break his balls. :slight_smile:

I consider myself a fan of The Who as well. You give a good breakdown and comparison.

I give the edge to LZ because they were such a phenomenal live band. I would concede that in the studio The Who and LZ were on par with each other, but I don’t think The Who could touch LZ in a live show (and The Who were no slouches in a live setting either).[/quote]

He asked for a comparable band and I gave it. And Daltry had better pipes than Plant, though he should just quit trying now.

Mind you this is coming from someone who did a homemade Led Zeppelin tattoo on their arm at age 16 (1979). Still there 31 years later.

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[quote]bond james bond wrote:
This just in folks, Chad Booger of Nickleback has just been awarded his own signature guitar…good grief!.

I gotta find that Moon solo, thanks for the teaser Pimpbot5000. I also remember reading somewhere that Buddy Rich was a right cunt to fans.

Bonham was rumored to be the hardest drummer around. No one would lend him their kits because it would come back just thrashed. His heel/toe/heel bass drum technique is genius like others here mentioned.

I watched the Chickenfoot DVD awhile back and although I’m still not crazy about them it was worth it just to watch Chad Smith play and he’s nuts off camera lol.

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Bonham played so hard and loud that Ludwig had to make special tom stands just for him because he kept breaking the normal ones. Most people use a 22x20 bass drum, but he had Ludwig custom-make one for him that was 26x14!

He used the biggest sticks out there (2A) and when he was recorded in the studio, they put the mics about ten feet away rather than right in front of him. Or he’d play in the stairwell at Headley Grange and they’d mic him from ten feet above. That’s how he gets that slightly echoed sound on When The Levee Breaks.

He was also innovative in that he constantly tuned his own kits and helped Ludwig in the construction of their heads and cymbals, something that apparently no other drummer did back then.

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This thread has restored my faith in humanity. Here’s a couple reasons why:

  • We have all debated and brought up very good points for and against certain bands sucking with very minimal personal attacks.

  • No one has mentioned Iron Maiden as a band they hate. And there have been some pretty outlandish claims. Iron Maiden is band that, it seems, that no one hates. This makes me have faith that we can all unite around one common cause that, no matter what, Iron Maiden will be unity and balance to the force.