I am not sure I understand what you mean? Getting rid of “state hospitals” (state run mental institutions)?
And private. Putting people that have no desire to be on their own, on their own.
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Side note: The thought of entering one of these scares the piss out of me.
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I used to work in a facility that used to be a big state hospital compound. It had tunnels that connected the different buildings (that would get slight flooding in the spring). The locals would say the tunnels were haunted. I still used them in the winter, but I’ll say they were creapy, and I was the maybe the only person who used them (and I can see why). They were dark (like one light bulb every 50’), and confusing. I got lost in them once. I found some old stuff in some of the tunnel cracks (I found an old 375 mL whiskey bottle). Aside from the tunnels, they made the buildings very nice after renovation.
I did see pictures from when it was a state hospital. Was not very nice. Triple bunk beds jammed in to fit as many people as possible.
I’ve heard stories from locals (I didn’t grow up in that area), of town drunks getting admitting and leaving with a lobotomy.
My general feelings on mental health services in the US is that they are inadequate. Something that is clouded in mystery on how much it is going to cost (but probably be expensive). Something that takes a lot of time, and involves lots of hoop jumping. Kinda gotta be doing okay already to have access to it.
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Yeah. Something like round-the-clock care.
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IDK on that. I think there is a lot of the homeless population that with proper mental care and meds could transition to being housed and independent. I am not sure what percent it is, but even if it’s like 25% that is a big impact if we could address it.
You spend a lot of time around that population?
Not particularly. However, I don’t think many in that situation desired that situation growing up. I don’t think many desire it currently despite their decisions.
That’s correct, in the same way most criminals don’t desire being imprisoned despite their decisions.
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For me, my mind cannot realize how there can be such atheists and oligophrenics in the richest country in the world, where the police are at a very high level. To kill 19-20 small children. What is this offspring of hell. I say that because there are not one or two cases in the United States. I recently watched a TV report that over a period of about 15-20 years in the United States, more than 1,500 people were killed in this way. I don’t know if it’s true or a lie, but I’ve often watched reports in my life where in the United States someone goes crazy and kills a lot of people for no reason. He was fired - he kills. His wife left him - he kills. Something he doesn’t like about the day - he kills. Why these things happen most in the United States, I have no explanation.
There actually is an explanation, actually several explanations, but to discuss most of them online is unwise because of the tyranny of political correctness and the emotional abuse that will follow if one discusses them.
If I recall correctly, there have been over 20 such shootings since January of this year. There has also been an uptick in random felony assaults, some resulting in death, in NYC, many of them being in the subways.
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Ok, but as far as I look at the news, this type of mass and indiscriminate killings are not committed by homeless people. Very often the perpetrators are from the middle class of the United States, who are ordinary people with a home, a job, a wife and children to take care of. For example, he was fired from his job and he went and shot his former colleagues.
No, they aren’t. Spree killings are a whole other topic and they’re now a common occurrence in the US.
I think guilt is not primarily in governance policy. You have firm laws and uncompromising police and justice. I may be wrong, I do not live in the United States, but I think it all comes from the fact that people are used to their lives being well-organized and trouble-free. They have work, enough money for a mortgage, bills, good food, weekend entertainment. I’m talking about the average Joe. And if something in the chain breaks down, such as being fired, the American strains too much mentally. He begins to think: well, now they will take my house, I can’t pay for the children’s college, my wife will get a lover. And in the end, he freaked out mentally, took the rifle and started firing indiscriminately.
I also remember the examples of tornadoes, when some cities in the United States were affected and people began to revolt, to demolish, to break private property for no reason, and to break into shops and steal.
I think it is actually due to the people who are in the exact opposite shoes that have no support system to get them through times where the above situation doesn’t apply to them. I think it also has a lot to do with broken homes and the overall fatherlessness that plagues our youth, the troubles of which tend to follow people through adulthood and can sometimes rear it’s head in extreme ways.
I think it’s also a case of people who are not given the proper attention when growing up, causing a void which is expanded by an order of magnitude when surrounded by peers who are actually getting the attention they deserve as a human being.
Just my opinion as a white male brought up in a middle-class 2 parent household that now has a wife, daughter and house to care for myself.
Not one recent spree killing in America has this motivation.
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Yes. Both are encouraged.
If so, then the situation is even worse. If a person has gone crazy, there is some explanation for his actions, which still does not justify it. But if this is not the predominant cause of such killings, it means that even people without serious life problems can start shooting and killing. And it is not clear why they are doing it. This is bad. I wonder why this is happening mostly in the United States. In the rest of the world such cases are very few. For example, in Europe, both Eastern and Western, unless there is a terrorist attack, I do not remember a case of someone shooting so many people for no reason. There was only one case in Norway where a Nazi had shot about 40 people of other ethnicities who were at a youth camp on an island. The news in my country is talking about the whole world. And when there is a mass murder, even before they say where it happened, it is already assumed that it is in the United States. Bad work.
Results: Twenty-eight of 35 cases in which the assailant survived had a psychiatric diagnosis-18 with schizophrenia, 3 with bipolar I disorders, 2 with delusional disorders, persecutory type, 2 with personality disorders (1 paranoid and 1 borderline), 2 with substance-related disorders without other psychiatric diagnoses, and 1 with posttraumatic stress disorder. Four had no psychiatric diagnosis, and in 3, we did not have enough information to make a diagnosis.Of 15 of 20 cases in which the assailant died, 8 had schizophrenia. None of those diagnosed with psychiatric illnesses were treated with medication.
Conclusions: A significant proportion of mass shooters experienced unmedicated and untreated psychiatric disorder.
America is having some serious mental health issues that are not being addressed.
Results. We identified 1315 mass murders, 65% of which involved firearms. Lifetime psychotic symptoms were noted among 11% of perpetrators, consistent with previous reports,
including 18% of mass murderers who did not use firearms and 8% of those who did (χ2
= 28.0, p < 0.01). US-based mass shooters were more likely to have legal histories, use recreational drugs or misuse alcohol, or have histories of non-psychotic psychiatric or neurologic
symptoms. US-based mass shooters with symptoms of any psychiatric or neurologic illness
more frequently used semi-or fully-automatic firearms.
I understood, I did not know this information. Which explains why this is happening. So your president is right to say that the reason is the possibility of mass acquisition of firearms. There are certainly so many crazy people in Europe, but it is difficult to get weapons. If they had that opportunity, there would be as many murders as well. So the solution is to limit the possibility of acquiring a weapon.
But there is another point. The United States is a democracy and there are no hidden things. There may be similar cases in other large and economically strong countries, but a complete media blackout has been imposed and people do not understand what happened.