Do you think some of the anger is there because America is dysfunctional and terminally ill? Those I know who believe this are retired older folks and others who live ordinary lives, going to work, raising kids, and obeying the law. They are not barking and bellowing, protesting, or tweeting.
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To continue, I know several unassuming men (and even a few women) who don’t know each other who’ve said they either predict civil war or the only way to correct things is from one and territorial breakup.
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A civil war, between who?, LGBTQ and White Racists?
If racism is the reason for war, they would be on the same side.
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There is something in the nature of getting older that encourages at least a little antipathy toward the present. I know I feel it at 56. I’m much more conservative than I was at 28.
What about a territorial breakup that is less 3-dimensional and “20th century”? There’s a great novel called The City & the City that describes vividly how two antagonistic populations can live in the same space without interacting with each other via a combination of social mores, architecture, even traffic laws. It’s an incredible feat of writing, IMO. China Mieville is the author. You only have to read the first half to get the sense of what I’m talking about.
Anyway, I’m trying to see if there’s a way that something that I see as extremely unlikely (i.e., civil war or breakup into multiple distinct states) could actually occur if we look at it a little differently from the way we’ve experienced these things previously (i.e., Gettysburg, breakup of Yugoslavia, etc.)
You’re forgetting the U.K. leaving the E.U.
What exactly is the UK? It would be more like Scotland leaving the UK.
Maybe if no former states form a new union.
I agree that Brexit was a function of this overall phenomenon. I don’t think the EU ever had anything approximating the ideological tenacity of a nation-state, though. The fact that the UK could vote itself out kind of exposes the “power” of that union …
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And keep the pound.
I like the phrase “ideological tenacity.” It’s much better than “extremist.” If France and Germany attacked the U.K. and brought it back into the E.U., would that make the E.U. a nation-state? Are we still waiting to learn whether the Ukraine is part of the nation-state of Russia(or the Soviet Union, I guess)?
The States of the United States issued their own currencies under the Articles of Confederation. That was after they had declared themselves “Free and Independent States,” and claimed the following: “they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.” All plural, for some reason. Then, revisiting the Articles of Confederation, a “perpetual union” was mentioned….but the Constitution of the United States was then adopted…but didn’t require a single State to join. Then, in under 100 years, the States somehow became meaningless.
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At the root of all lies the lamentable fact that marxism won the war. People, even conservative ones, have embraced several marxist lies. We can’t be a happy Disney Kid’s club just because Star Wars is now more diverse than ever.
Diversity is great, but it’s not our greatest strength. Far from it. Politically, it’s obviously a hindrance. If we cannot accept that fact, the worst might happen. Biology is a fact. Culture is downstream from genes, not the other way around, as Marx taught. There is nothing wrong with being a proud Black or a proud Indian or a proud White. Trouble is, different (palpably different!) identities and ideas naturally arise out of this bedrock.
We should cut our losses and move on.
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Honestly, it seems to me that you have no idea what the EU actually is.
Russia is not a nation-state, it’s a self-proclaimed centralized colonial empire where around less than two thirds of inhabitants are ethnic Russians (that number is dropping).
Ah.
Neither is the USA.
Crazy. Less than two-thirds? That’s such a small number in comparison to the percentage of American Indians in the U.S.
And they get offended when people refer to them as degenerates? I believe in free speech and that means regardless of my religious beliefs I have to tolerate any attacks on them or mockery but, what is the point of this? It’s not clever or entertaining it’s just… gay.
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I found it entertaining and somewhat funny tbh.
They should do something similar for the Prophet Mohammad.
I think a more apt comparison would be if Catalonia or the Basques would (try to) leave Spain. We actually saw, just recently, what happened with Carles Puigdemont.
Tell me you’re gay without telling me you’re gay. Not that there’s anything wrong with it.
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