Those are the reasons given to those who would be cannon fodder. Wars cost money. Kings have borrowed money, from bankers in Florence for example, to finance wars. If they didn’t think they would end up with a profit afterward, they wouldn’t risk defaulting on the loans, which Edward III did end up doing.
We? It’s they. Just look at how much a fighter jet or submarine costs.
This is a derail and it puts words in my mouth.
If you honestly believe Hitler invaded Poland for strictly ideological reasons and not for economic reasons then you need to read what Hitler actually wrote on the subject.
Lebensraum was about the need for more land and resources to make Germany stronger and wealthier (because you need one to have the other).
When the Pope ordered a crusade, from his palace dressed in silk and wearing jewels, was it only about killing infidels and taking back the Holy Land? It wouldn’t increase the Church’s tax base, via tithes for example, and secure trade routes to the east?
In France, Phillip expelled the Jews (because of religion) while then taking their property and assuming the debts they were owed so people still had to pay what they owed, only now to the king. Something that was also done in England and Spain.
The Templars were destroyed because they were accused of heresy and perversion but what happened to their property and to the money they were owed from loans they made?
I asked you a question, not sure how you drew this conclusion.
You’re really going to stick with “every war was fought for money”? I’m not going to debate you if you can’t see the obvious, which is becoming apparent.
As I said before:
There is nothing ridiculous about this ^
It actually wasn’t for ideological reasons. As said, it was to take back formerly German territory stripped from Germany after WWI, along with Sudetenland, and to end persecution and murder of Germans residing in that territory. (Gruesome photographs of this are available online.) That had nothing to do with the Lebensraum concept which many of us are familiar with.
There was actually a peace offer and offers for Poland to become a protectorate of Germany. Anyone can go look this up and read about people like Smigley-Rydz and Josef Beck.
If you believe otherwise, that’s fine.
Question: If several hundreds or thousands of Americans were trapped in and being persecuted in Canada or Mexico, would an invasion of them be made to make money?
Motivation for war =/ rationalization
The more I read about our own war of independence, the more it looks like a war of sour grapes waged by men who felt they would never receive the respect and status they felt they deserved under the status quo.
Looking at England today, this idiot should kiss the Statue of Liberty’s ass and thank Washington and Jefferson for the privilege.
I think the point was that England had very little influence on the American colonies even then.
One of the more oppressive things the British did in all of their colonies, not just North America, was suppress industry in the colonies to force the colonials to buy expensive manufactured goods from the mother country. The colonies could only sell raw resources in the mother country, who would often resell them in Europe for a great profit, and had to buy necessities from monopolies that had been given the crown’s blessing. This was a great way to extract wealth. See also India.
Prior to the French and Indian wars, the Americans did a lot of smuggling, and were generally left alone by the crown, as Britain didn’t have the resources to exert a lot of authority over her colonies. It was after the French and Indian wars, a century and a half after the colonies’ founding, the British suddenly tried to exert more control over their colonies in North America that created backlash and resentment.
Going on and on about the taxes is just ignorant, there were deeper problems than that. In short, the British Aristocracy were cunts.
Sure. Mercantilism, which was popular at the time(not just in England). Pretty terrible economic policy, like ALL forms of third party economic control.
To pay for said war, and to protect new territory.
This stuff hurt the upper tier folks in the colonies. Others were likely better off(no worse off, at worst). Of course some were better off after the war; there’d be no wars if that weren’t true each time.
This isn’t to say secession wasn’t justified; I believe it’s always justified.
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@Bauber @NickViar @cyclonengineer
Wanted to tag you guys after reading your posts about the US splitting up in the 2024 thread. Figure this is the right spot to keep that discussion going, even though I’m pretty sure this thread went off the rails at some point.
I find the idea of the USA breaking up completely fascinating. I’m not really for or against it personally. I have friends all over the country and I like the idea of being able to freely travel to see them or parts of the country I haven’t seen unimpeded. I also agree that it’s pretty silly for folks in Alabama or whatever to have to live under the same set of rules as the people in New Jersey.
I’m so curious how, if the states collectively decided to go their own way, that would shake out.
What would happen with interstate commerce? That’d probably be my biggest concern since I work for a MNC with major offices around the country I deal with.
What happens if a company based in IL simply doesn’t care about polluting a waterway that flows into IN? (Simply a hypothetical, not sure if one of those even exists) Who’s on the hook here to solve/stop that problem?
There’s also the fact that, I like the idea of the USA. I personally think we’re a lot closer to getting along than tearing each other apart, it’s just that there’s some monolithic entities standing in the way of that reality. I’m in a good mood so I’m probably donning the rose tinted shades right now. I chose not to live in a state like MA or NY, but I also don’t want to live in the deep south. Those are still my fellow Americans to me though, despite our differences. I could have just found the right spot in here in Maine, we get along pretty well across the isle here. It’s a blue state, but it doesn’t really feel like one outside of the beach towns.
But that doesn’t get ratings. It’s as if there is an entire media, in all its forms, industry built on pushing this apocalyptic daydream.
This is the only reason it the United States will cling on and remain.
My guess if we do fall apart is that it would look more like the EU and Europe. Common currency, maybe a common framework, but separate countries. Common currency helps keep alive interstate commerce but taxes would be a major think to figure out.
I do to, but I think the idea of the USA and the actuality are, while maybe not in contradiction, behaving a bit like a stretched rubber band right now. It will either snap back together (in my mind this will only happen with a better focus on education and pulling some Christian Nationalists heads out their asses) or it will break catastrophically.
This is kind of what I am seeking too. I am in no man’s land politically. I hold both conservative and liberal views (i guess I am a “swing voter” whatever that means). Florida has a lot of good things but is also becoming more Bible belt-ish as we progress along here.
There are differences that are irreconcilable between me and millions of Americans. Their attitudes and their policies ruined America and have carved out a future posing increased risk to the safety, hatred towards, and well-being of my children. In fact these differences have had my wife and I homeschooling my children while paying taxes to the school district even though in a saner time I’d be sending them to public schools. That’s pretty severe, right?
Also, why would I want to be “united” with people who don’t have my back?
I’m not into this notion, “Bro, ya gotta understand. The powers that be are trying to divide us.” No, it is others, millions of people, who I flat out don’t want to unite with. And they don’t need my company either. Do they?
I have been trying to adopt a more compassionate view towards all of humanity (due to my new penchant for Buddhist philosophy), but it can be damn difficult. Especially when I see videos online where they interview people in New York and you get answers like “cis straight white men aren’t good for anything” or “conservatives are just horrible” and should be treated as less than human. That makes empathy and compassion hard. Like, what does being a “Cis straight white man” have to do with anything?
People like to wax poetic that we are all in this rat race together, but we’re really not. It’s an innumerable number of races of different finish lines. As a community, the US is not working towards betterment.
I imagine the entities involved would figure out something.
So do I. I don’t like the idea of a massive government ruling a huge piece of land. That’s not the idea of the USA.
Agree with the above. breaking the US up based on political affiliation is also impossible.
Take MD for example:
We always vote for a democrat here. So, are we part of the new “blue” America? More than half of the counties vote red election after election. How do you parse that?
I think this is true no matter how you structure government even at smaller scale. Again, take MD for example. I have irreconcilable difference with many/most of the people living in central MD. Even if we separated into 3 different states (west, central, and east MD) there are still people where I live that I 100% disagree with on some issues.
I think it’s just a byproduct of human nature / consciousness.
America’s biggest issue, imho, is our application of Federalism. Decisions should be made as local has humanly possible. States should be deciding a lot more things. The federal government is out of control.
I mean, I have irreconcilable difference with many of the people at our corporate HQ… I think it’s just a part of life.
There’s a video on YouTube in which someone randomly interviewed people on the streets in England asking, “Are white men good for anything?” People of various races, including whites, said they aren’t good for anything! One white man with a woman said, “We’re utter f—g trash!”
Now that is flat-out dehumanization. And how a woman puts up with a man who says he is trash is remarkable.
That!—While standing in the streets and using an entire infrastructure that white men built.
As stated elsewhere, though I’m only partly white (and often mistaken for white), my children appear entirely white to even trained eyes. So anyone who thinks it is still cute to abuse, mercilessly criticize, and humiliate white people isn’t someone I’m teaming up with.
