Bad Ideas

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
So…the Dune thing…

Yeah…ummmm…I’ve never read any of them.

I probably will now, just so I can understand half the references being made in the last few posts.

I hope you all will not vote me off the island due to my lack of science fiction knowledge. If it helps…my brother read all of them, and HE liked them.

But he’s kinda weird, so… [/quote]

LOL…Weird…Well, you may be on to something about SC-FI nerds being strange, but, I cannot help it, I work in desolate third world country sinkholes, I am ugly, and clumsy around women, so, my life is basically reduced to : work, workout, and read. LOL

Here is the Cliff Notes version: Dune (novel) - Wikipedia

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
So…the Dune thing…

Yeah…ummmm…I’ve never read any of them.

I probably will now, just so I can understand half the references being made in the last few posts.

I hope you all will not vote me off the island due to my lack of science fiction knowledge. If it helps…my brother read all of them, and HE liked them.

But he’s kinda weird, so… [/quote]

In ref to a previous post, one of my best friends is a “Masshole” who likes New Hampshire quite a bit more.

You aren’t getting voted off any island where I can influence, count, or suppress the vote.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

X2 on not getting voted off. We need someone around to make the right decisions:))

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]idaho wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:
Wondering now if idaho’s screen name is homage to the great State, or a certain Atreides Swordmaster…[/quote]

He told me it was indeed an homage to Duncan Idaho, Swordmaster of the Ginaz and once and loyal always to the House Atreides.

I wondered it the second I saw his screen name.

Because I am a nerd.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Well, if that isn’t just super-rad.

I already respected the guy, what with the life of honourable service and all, but that is one SOLID sci-fi reference.

I am a nerd as well, however apparently I am slow of brain. Unfortunate state of affairs really. Dumb nerd. Dumb Canadian nerd. Who can’t play hockey, no less. Geesh.[/quote]

Yes. But you have the proper opinion of Firefly. That makes up for much, perhaps all. It’s basically science and shit.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

My thoughts on Firefly: We should convene a tribunal consisting of Robert, BM730, and my humble self. Bring the SOB responsible for cancelling that show, try him, find him guilty, and, sentence him to a life of hard labor on Salusa Secundus, with no chance of ever joining the Sardaukar.
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Couldn’t agree more, Gorramit![/quote]

That is banana republic thinking.

Such decisions should never be made from such an obviously biased court.

We shall require a fourth and such sentences should still only be handed out with a heavy heart and a supermajority.

Either an absolute 3/4 majority or a 2/3 simple majority would seem appropriate. We must have integrity in these matters.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

LOL…Nice, I need to work on the “integrity” part:)

I was out at the Ammo Supply Point yesterday and the Warrant I was dealing with had this quote on the wall behind his desk. Not a bad definition of Gun Control:

“Gun Control - A theory espoused by some monumentally stupid people; who claim to believe, against all logic and common sense, that a violent predator who ignores the laws prohibiting them from robbing, raping, kidnapping, torturing and killing their fellow human beings will obey a law telling them that they cannot own a gun”

[quote]idaho wrote:

“Gun Control - A theory espoused by some monumentally stupid people; who claim to believe, against all logic and common sense, that a violent predator who ignores the laws prohibiting them from robbing, raping, kidnapping, torturing and killing their fellow human beings will obey a law telling them that they cannot own a gun”

T-shirt for sure

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[quote]idaho wrote:
I was out at the Ammo Supply Point yesterday and the Warrant I was dealing with had this quote on the wall behind his desk. Not a bad definition of Gun Control:

“Gun Control - A theory espoused by some monumentally stupid people; who claim to believe, against all logic and common sense, that a violent predator who ignores the laws prohibiting them from robbing, raping, kidnapping, torturing and killing their fellow human beings will obey a law telling them that they cannot own a gun”
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Awesome.

I dao think lot of it is more or less lack of exposure rather than stupidity for a lot of people. A good many folks don’t really understand the lengths criminally minded people will go to get what they want or their levels of “not giving a fuck”. I think they also don’t want to believe how fundamentally different many predators are. So the idea that someone will split an old woman’s head open with a shovel, or rape her, ect. based on impulse doesn’t compute.

For these folks “guns” or weapons in general can be a convenient scapegoat, because they see a correlation there. Folks who do violence have them and use them, and they don’t have them and aren’t violent. So guns must have a causation effect. It also helps explain how they can rally for only .mil or LEO’s to have weapons, and then seem to show absolutely zero trust/respect for those groups.

I have personally converted a few people by just letting them shoot my MKII (Ruger .22 pistol, mine was made in 19 diggity 2 and is an old Gov. model with the huge sights and long bull barrel) and making sure they had fun. It stripped the “must want to kill” away from “guns”. I have also given “sermons” on “the problem” for those victimized by predators who didn’t use any weapons at all. I have a lot more fun doing the former.

The other side of it is advocacy from people who want to be the only ones equipped to do violence.

My biases are fairly well established on this board so I can just stop there.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]idaho wrote:
I was out at the Ammo Supply Point yesterday and the Warrant I was dealing with had this quote on the wall behind his desk. Not a bad definition of Gun Control:

“Gun Control - A theory espoused by some monumentally stupid people; who claim to believe, against all logic and common sense, that a violent predator who ignores the laws prohibiting them from robbing, raping, kidnapping, torturing and killing their fellow human beings will obey a law telling them that they cannot own a gun”
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Not that I don’t agree with you in your base premise - I like guns and am not in favor of butchering that right. But there is something to be said for the lack of guns present in countries that ban them outright. They’re just not there because the penalties are too severe.

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I get prickly about any notion of stomping on rights for safety.

I mean, sure if we gutted freedom of the press it would save us from Larry Merchant. That would be a good, perhaps great, thing. However the evil it would take might not be worth it.

Might.

Regards,

Robert A

Robert wrote:

“I dao think lot of it is more or less lack of exposure rather than stupidity for a lot of people. A good many folks don’t really understand the lengths criminally minded people will go to get what they want or their levels of “not giving a fuck”. I think they also don’t want to believe how fundamentally different many predators are. So the idea that someone will split an old woman’s head open with a shovel, or rape her, ect. based on impulse doesn’t compute”

Robert,
I am curious: The people that you come in contact with, are they not aware of violent crime? ISIS? Taliban?, Yemen bomb fanatics?, hell even Chicago weekend shootings? Are the majority of people in the states that stupid? Maybe it’s the world I live in, but, it amazes me with the amount of media available , that people would not know how dangerous the world has become, especially, in the last two years. I fully expect a “Mumbai” style attack on some major shopping mall during the Christmas season, and, that prediction is not based on paranoia. With our porous borders, especially with Canada, smuggling in a kill team of 6 to 8 fanatics is child’s play. I would think any rational person would take whatever steps necessary to protect the ones they are responsible for.

I guess , I simply lack the intelligence to understand this attitude of denial. Not surprising really:))

Thank you for training and educating the ones you can, you may have just saved their lives.

I am also surprised at the number of people who do not seem to recognize the violence taking place in the world, or in this country. I fail to understand how people just can’t see it.

I hate to sound paranoid, but how can one not? The threat that ISIS poses to the daily life of the average American is significant. It is not a matter of if…it’s a matter of where and when the next major attack takes place. We have been far too lucky for far too long. Even if we have covert teams out there stopping a lot of this before it happens (and I pray that we do) they can’t catch every one of them. It only takes two or three highly motivated types to wreak havoc in a mall full of shoppers…nevermind if it’s a larger group, hitting multiple targets.

The world has changed too much to ignore these things. And that doesn’t even begin to factor in “normal” levels of street crime. How people just walk around like a cross between Pollyanna and an ostrich is beyond me. I just don’t get it.


Something different from 2 days ago: I have commented before on the value of good armor. This vehicle caught a partial IED blast and then a few rounds of small arms fire. I was not in the vehicle, but, little reminders like this keeps the “situational awareness” on a high level.:))


No.2


try it again.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
One thing I can say to Idaho and Mapwhap, whose points I fully understand - regular people simply cannot be on condition red all the time. They can’t. And they won’t. And there isn’t anything wrong with that.

That’s not to say that the average person shouldn’t be far more situationally aware than they are - they should - but there is a fine line between being aware and being paranoid. Idaho, you’ve been in warzones for a long time, so it’s your job to be paranoid. But the regular person going about their business is rarely going to leave condition white. That’s not something that’s debatable or lamentable, in my opinion - it just is the way it is. It’s not the way YOU are, or the way I am, but that’s the breaks.

Also, as far as being scared of attacks on US soil, I think you’re misconstruing “not caring” or not being obsessed with the idea with how things actually are: We know what might happen, but we cannot live every second of our lives in fear of it.

I know all too easy how simple it would be for a team to cross a border with Arizona and conduct some sort of raid. So does EVERYBODY in Arizona. But stopping that sort of attack is far, far beyond the control of the regular man, so why be consumed with the idea?

I live right outside New York City. I have my entire life. I saw (firsthand) every bit of destruction, and I know people who lived through it, and people who didn’t. All of us here have. But still, life is life, even for us, and allowing ourselves to be consumed with “ambient threat,” as Kelly McCann put it, is simply too stressful and will drive you to a breakdown.

Also - in every measure, the world is far less violent than it used to be, so when people say it’s “changing” or “more violent” or ask, “My God, what is going on with this world!?” they’re actually very wrong. That’s not an attack on you guys, it’s just a statement of fact … going back into the dawn of civilization you’re probably not going to find a safer, less stressful environment than what makes up most of the world right now. [/quote]

Irish,
Really good post and I appreciate your thoughts. You bring up some very valid points. I will be the first admit that I am paranoid, and, I know , I have to constantly monitor myself, so that I make decisions based on experience, instead of reactions. The problem is information. Everyday I have access to several intelligence meetings and they are anything but good. Religious extremists are striving to have the ability, but already have the finances and motivation, to truly cause horrific destruction on a massive scale. If they had nuclear or biological weapons, they would use them and then bask in the glory of their chosen God. As you make the arguement that the world is better than in the historical past, perhaps, you are correct, its just the weapons available now are so powerful, and with the means to tansport them anywhere on the planet, that worries the hell out of me.

But, you are correct, I live and work in an isolated enviroment and that has a tendency to skew your perception on life, so, point taken. I am very concerned about attacks on US soil. I think , being totally honest, I currently work for the USG and know the intimate workings of several agencies, and, competency is, well, lacking in many areas. Sorry to be so cryptic, but, I need to keep a job a little while longer:))

But for humor sake and to poke fun at myself: I guess, I am a little paranoid:

  • I return to the states about every 3 or 4 months for a break, but, it takes me at least a week to not stack a “to go bag”, guns, boots, etc…all in a little line next to me beside the bed. You would think I had a bomb bunker to run to in the front yard:))

  • It takes me at least a week to relax enough to go to the movies or a sporting event, because, crowds scare the shit out of me, never know when a suicide bomber is going to detonate. A kid who suddenly starts screaming or laughs really loud , will have me jumping for the nearest door.

  • It takes me about TWO weeks to ever walk between two parked cars, I hate parking lots and will walk around a huge parking lot to avoid walking down the rows of parked cars. Never know when one of those things are going to blow.

  • And the best one, I dont how many times I have embarrassed myself leaving the gym,dojo, grocery store, whatever… walking to my vehicle and someone has came out behind me and hit the unlock button on their vehicle remote. That sudden “beep , Beep” has sent me into leaping spasms, looking to dive under some type protection. Vehicle remotes are hell, because, they can set off bombs anywhere within their signal. Damn them things, They are going to give me a heart attack one of these days:))

Re-reading this, I need a new job:))

Good conversation. Thanks.


For Humor: You would think, if you are going to kill someone with a sticky bomb or in military jargon, a Magnetic Attached Improvised Explosive Device (MAIED), you would attach the thing under the drivers door, instead of the tailgate. Obviously the poor boy never took the Assassins Elementary Course 101. LOL…the world is never short on morons.

Wow , great read , missed a lot of the conversations ( I don’t watch the news much ). I will be totally honest I intend to steal all the great one liners. Idaho glad you came clean about the name I suspected as much from the first. Also great tips and pics from your deployment. Robert I found myself refraining from drinking anything while catching up ( obvious choking hazard) I am sorry I can’t help it you just have a way with words. Look forward to staying current over the winter.

[quote]idaho wrote:
Robert,
I am curious: The people that you come in contact with, are they not aware of violent crime? ISIS? Taliban?, Yemen bomb fanatics?, hell even Chicago weekend shootings? Are the majority of people in the states that stupid? Maybe it’s the world I live in, but, it amazes me with the amount of media available , that people would not know how dangerous the world has become, especially, in the last two years. I fully expect a “Mumbai” style attack on some major shopping mall during the Christmas season, and, that prediction is not based on paranoia. With our porous borders, especially with Canada, smuggling in a kill team of 6 to 8 fanatics is child’s play. I would think any rational person would take whatever steps necessary to protect the ones they are responsible for.

I guess , I simply lack the intelligence to understand this attitude of denial. Not surprising really:))
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Sorry it has taken so long.

“Aware” sure. Just like we are all “aware” of testicular and skin cancer, when was the last time you did a thorough self exam? Aware like a visceral and constant appreciation, no they aren’t. It just isn’t lack of intellect, it is rather they are drawing different conclusions. Earlier in the thread mapwhap mentioned how some of the officers he has trained have been seriously not “dialed in” with shooting/reloading/immediate action drills. Like it never occurred to them that it would be important.

The thing is, for most cops, it wont be, other than quals being an obstacle that must be navigated to keep their dental. Most cops don’t shoot their side arms “in the line of duty”. In this thread people don’t let that keep them from prioritizing skill at arms, but plenty of folks do and they were all “smart” enough to pass the same tests as the shooters. People are really good at finding something that looks like “efficiency” to suit their interests. Some LEOs are going to find that efficiency point by giving no “unnecessary” effort with their gun handling. Others post here.

With regards to the civilians the odds favor “do nothing” by a large margin. Violent crime is down, and it is also heavily clustered around certain geographic, economic, and racial demographics. So it is real easy for middle-middle class folks to ignore. The odds support it, and 911 is a thing, and the military handles the foreign invaders. The news is also full of narratives about how “wrong” this stuff is. Hell Ferguson is still going off about something that still looks one hundred percent justified. On the other hand being the “gun nut”/“wanna be killer”/“ninja” at a dinner party may not be the pleasant thing for them. The social costs are real, as are the financial and effort costs of training and diligence.

So honest ignorance about firearms, purposeful ignorance about threats foreign and domestic; that ignorance is useful to certain agendas, and even if it wasn’t breaking ignorance isn’t fun for the person coming to knowledge. One of my favorite quotes is from a “new age” “spiritual guru”. He might be furious about the context I am using it here, but whatever, that anger would just be The One expressing itself as a human being angry right?

Make no mistake about it - enlightenment is a destructive process. It has nothing to do with becoming better or being happier. Enlightenment is the crumbing away of untruth. It’s seeing through the façade of pretense. It’s the complete eradication of everything we imagine to be true"-Adyashanti

On this board we tend to intuitively “get” the truth in the quote. Earlier you wrote about how a recent training cycle opened your eyes about being only “competent” with CQB instead of walking on water. Now, I am certain you are God’s Own when compared to most (and before you argue think about how many folks you have trained who had no clue prior to you coming into their lives) but deeper waters let you see who you want to be/could be. A lot of folks wouldn’t enjoy that. You relished it and dove back in to self improvement. Many good, smart people would balk at that process. Especially if it is for an “unlikely” utility when the costs are definite.

I have written before the first thing we cut when we pick up the sword is our own ego, there will be no room for it. At the time I was speaking of “when the balloon goes up”/Condition Black events. In the bigger picture it still happens, but it is even more important to cut the ego well, not cutting one’s morality, or humanity, but severing ignorance or comforting delusions. What is matters. Truth matters. The last chance we had for finding safety in ignorance is said to have went out with a couple bites on an apple a little while ago. We are going to have to take things as they are.

Doing all of that is tough to swallow for people who haven’t internalized the need/benefit. I know plenty of folks smarter than me who are not at all interested in spending the calories with regards to violence. Instead they will settle for letting it be “something I don’t even like to think about”. I empathize with them every time I get hurt in training, or fail at something, or wake up and realize I haven’t died in my sleep like I have always wanted to. Then I get to work.

Your mileage will almost certainly vary.

Train hard.

Stay safe.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]idaho wrote:
For Humor: You would think, if you are going to kill someone with a sticky bomb or in military jargon, a Magnetic Attached Improvised Explosive Device (MAIED), you would attach the thing under the drivers door, instead of the tailgate. Obviously the poor boy never took the Assassins Elementary Course 101. LOL…the world is never short on morons. [/quote]

Perhaps the course had too much science or math and so wasn’t “approved”.

May all our enemies be so foolish.

Irish,

I agree with your post, as is almost protocol. I really agree with this part:

I think you meant condition “orange”. No one can spend a long time in red without significant cognitive and physical fatigue. That is well established.

Conditions:

White: No situational awareness.
Yellow: Relaxed awareness of surroundings. Can be maintained during waking hours.
Orange: Focused/heightened awareness. Usually threat specific. Fatiguing.
Red: Extreme “present time consciousness”. Triggers/lines in the sand with regards to specific threat drawn and established. In hostile contact/go time. Highly fatiguing.

Recently “Black” was added as actively focussed on bringing the hurt.

The old Gunsite/Cooper explanation:

White: lost in space
Yellow: I might have to shoot someone today
Orange: I might have to shoot that person
Red: If he/she does/doesn’t then I am burning them down

They didn’t have Black but it would be mechanics/real time so
Black: Threat, front sight. Still threat? repeat.

What I took as your point is simply the truth that if you have sold your time to someone to be anything but a “dangerous mother fucker” than awareness has to shrink. I don’t know if we would call it “white” or just being “Red” for the task at hand because Red and Black carry high levels of “threat focus”. For example, if we are moving someone’s couches we need to pay way more attention to not fucking up the furniture or walls than cars driving by. Because it is what we are doing now.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]idaho wrote:
Robert,
I am curious: The people that you come in contact with, are they not aware of violent crime? ISIS? Taliban?, Yemen bomb fanatics?, hell even Chicago weekend shootings? Are the majority of people in the states that stupid? Maybe it’s the world I live in, but, it amazes me with the amount of media available , that people would not know how dangerous the world has become, especially, in the last two years. I fully expect a “Mumbai” style attack on some major shopping mall during the Christmas season, and, that prediction is not based on paranoia. With our porous borders, especially with Canada, smuggling in a kill team of 6 to 8 fanatics is child’s play. I would think any rational person would take whatever steps necessary to protect the ones they are responsible for.

I guess , I simply lack the intelligence to understand this attitude of denial. Not surprising really:))
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Sorry it has taken so long.

“Aware” sure. Just like we are all “aware” of testicular and skin cancer, when was the last time you did a thorough self exam? Aware like a visceral and constant appreciation, no they aren’t. It just isn’t lack of intellect, it is rather they are drawing different conclusions. Earlier in the thread mapwhap mentioned how some of the officers he has trained have been seriously not “dialed in” with shooting/reloading/immediate action drills. Like it never occurred to them that it would be important.

The thing is, for most cops, it wont be, other than quals being an obstacle that must be navigated to keep their dental. Most cops don’t shoot their side arms “in the line of duty”. In this thread people don’t let that keep them from prioritizing skill at arms, but plenty of folks do and they were all “smart” enough to pass the same tests as the shooters. People are really good at finding something that looks like “efficiency” to suit their interests. Some LEOs are going to find that efficiency point by giving no “unnecessary” effort with their gun handling. Others post here.

With regards to the civilians the odds favor “do nothing” by a large margin. Violent crime is down, and it is also heavily clustered around certain geographic, economic, and racial demographics. So it is real easy for middle-middle class folks to ignore. The odds support it, and 911 is a thing, and the military handles the foreign invaders. The news is also full of narratives about how “wrong” this stuff is. Hell Ferguson is still going off about something that still looks one hundred percent justified. On the other hand being the “gun nut”/“wanna be killer”/“ninja” at a dinner party may not be the pleasant thing for them. The social costs are real, as are the financial and effort costs of training and diligence.

So honest ignorance about firearms, purposeful ignorance about threats foreign and domestic; that ignorance is useful to certain agendas, and even if it wasn’t breaking ignorance isn’t fun for the person coming to knowledge. One of my favorite quotes is from a “new age” “spiritual guru”. He might be furious about the context I am using it here, but whatever, that anger would just be The One expressing itself as a human being angry right?

Make no mistake about it - enlightenment is a destructive process. It has nothing to do with becoming better or being happier. Enlightenment is the crumbing away of untruth. It’s seeing through the faÃ?§ade of pretense. It’s the complete eradication of everything we imagine to be true"-Adyashanti

On this board we tend to intuitively “get” the truth in the quote. Earlier you wrote about how a recent training cycle opened your eyes about being only “competent” with CQB instead of walking on water. Now, I am certain you are God’s Own when compared to most (and before you argue think about how many folks you have trained who had no clue prior to you coming into their lives) but deeper waters let you see who you want to be/could be. A lot of folks wouldn’t enjoy that. You relished it and dove back in to self improvement. Many good, smart people would balk at that process. Especially if it is for an “unlikely” utility when the costs are definite.

I have written before the first thing we cut when we pick up the sword is our own ego, there will be no room for it. At the time I was speaking of “when the balloon goes up”/Condition Black events. In the bigger picture it still happens, but it is even more important to cut the ego well, not cutting one’s morality, or humanity, but severing ignorance or comforting delusions. What is matters. Truth matters. The last chance we had for finding safety in ignorance is said to have went out with a couple bites on an apple a little while ago. We are going to have to take things as they are.

Doing all of that is tough to swallow for people who haven’t internalized the need/benefit. I know plenty of folks smarter than me who are not at all interested in spending the calories with regards to violence. Instead they will settle for letting it be “something I don’t even like to think about”. I empathize with them every time I get hurt in training, or fail at something, or wake up and realize I haven’t died in my sleep like I have always wanted to. Then I get to work.

Your mileage will almost certainly vary.

Train hard.

Stay safe.

Regards,

Robert A

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Robert,
Great post. Thank you.

“Make no mistake about it - enlightenment is a destructive process. It has nothing to do with becoming better or being happier. Enlightenment is the crumbing away of untruth. It’s seeing through the faÃ?§ade of pretense. It’s the complete eradication of everything we imagine to be true”-Adyashanti

So much truth in that statement.

“I have written before the first thing we cut when we pick up the sword is our own ego”…so true, and, I am going to steal this quote and use it today…pure theft, I know. It better that what I have been using in the past for ego’s: “You should approach everything as a student with a will to learn, and not a master of everything.”

idaho,

Take and use it with my complements. If anything I write can be of use, get the information out there.

Regards,

Robert A