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[quote]idaho wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:
I am still trying to follow the PA Trooper shooting.

So far I have just got some very bare bones info, and a lot of conjecture.

The one trooper is still hanging on as far as I know. So there is at least that.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

An Update: Funny how Chris Hayes (Fuck him) always fails to report these type of “police shootings”.

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Well it would totally destroy his narrative.

Fuckstick ambushes officers and EMS. Fuckstick leaves his frigging car in a swamp with a bunch of ID in it.

Police commence search with full co-operation of local community. They ask for leads, advise everyone to be cautious, watchful, secure, ect. And they do that in a part of the U.S. where it means the civilian population is going to load there rifles for “secure”. This is turning the local area upside down with missed school and other disruptions, but everything I am hearing and reading says the police are being absolutely professional and reasonable.

Eric Frein might just be the most hated man in PA right now, and for good reason.

I don’t know if it speaks to the differences in location, the departments, or some type of lessons learned but I haven’t seen any of the shutdown/point guns at everyone images that happened in the Boston Manhunt out of this event, and with RiotPalooza being smothered by actual facts I think if they were out there I would have seen them.

I hope they catch this guy soon and that the officers stay safe doing the catching. Trying to track someone in rural PA who has shown a willingness and ability to use aimed rifle fire at range is nightmare material. At the same time “has a rifle and/or pistol” is about as useful descriptor here as “has an AK” is where you are.

I also suspect that if Chris Hayes or anyone else tried to come to central PA and do some demonize the cops reporting that he would be calling for the police to come get his ass sooner rather than later. Did you see the turn out for the trooper’s funeral?

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]idaho wrote:
For Humor: Taliban Transportation. I think the albino one on the far right is kind of cute:))[/quote]

Speaks to different strategies.

The one on the right knows she is cute and looks too high maintenance.

In the central area there is a gal that will be good to go for a couple of sugar cubes and a compliment.

Regards,

Robert A

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For the “Bad Ideas:Never interupt your enemy when he is implementing them” section

[quote]From slashdot:
In swaths of Syria now controlled by ISIS, children can no longer study math or social studies. Sports are out of the question…teachers must say that the laws of physics and chemistry “are due to Allah’s rules and laws.”[/quote]
Note: Slashdot credits CNN with the source for this, but notes CNN has pulled the story over “concerns about the interpretation of the information provided.”

If true this is great news. I cannot think of something more crippling to a nation/entity requiring military expansion to survive than to eschew science/tech and civics lessons. This isn’t even a moral point. You can make the social studies all about the “peoples revolution” or the “God Emperor of Dune”, but you need to get folk to buy into the WE as a NATION. It isn’t like there is an example, other than history (yes, pretty much all of it), showing how important science is to military efforts right ISIS?

Regards,

Robert A

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Video about a program I am on record as supporting (.mil gear being loaned out to LEO instead of being scrapped or moth balled) that makes fun of said program. I thought it was funny. So I am posting it.

Regards,

Robert A

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LOL…^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^, Thanks, Robert

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[quote]Robert A wrote:
For the “Bad Ideas:Never interupt your enemy when he is implementing them” section

[quote]From slashdot:
In swaths of Syria now controlled by ISIS, children can no longer study math or social studies. Sports are out of the question…teachers must say that the laws of physics and chemistry “are due to Allah’s rules and laws.”[/quote]
Note: Slashdot credits CNN with the source for this, but notes CNN has pulled the story over “concerns about the interpretation of the information provided.”

If true this is great news. I cannot think of something more crippling to a nation/entity requiring military expansion to survive than to eschew science/tech and civics lessons. This isn’t even a moral point. You can make the social studies all about the “peoples revolution” or the “God Emperor of Dune”, but you need to get folk to buy into the WE as a NATION. It isn’t like there is an example, other than history (yes, pretty much all of it), showing how important science is to military efforts right ISIS?

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Totally agree and you cannot go wrong with “God Emperor of Dune” in any sentence:))

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]idaho wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:
I am still trying to follow the PA Trooper shooting.

So far I have just got some very bare bones info, and a lot of conjecture.

The one trooper is still hanging on as far as I know. So there is at least that.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

An Update: Funny how Chris Hayes (Fuck him) always fails to report these type of “police shootings”.

[/quote]

Well it would totally destroy his narrative.

Fuckstick ambushes officers and EMS. Fuckstick leaves his frigging car in a swamp with a bunch of ID in it.

Police commence search with full co-operation of local community. They ask for leads, advise everyone to be cautious, watchful, secure, ect. And they do that in a part of the U.S. where it means the civilian population is going to load there rifles for “secure”. This is turning the local area upside down with missed school and other disruptions, but everything I am hearing and reading says the police are being absolutely professional and reasonable.

Eric Frein might just be the most hated man in PA right now, and for good reason.

I don’t know if it speaks to the differences in location, the departments, or some type of lessons learned but I haven’t seen any of the shutdown/point guns at everyone images that happened in the Boston Manhunt out of this event, and with RiotPalooza being smothered by actual facts I think if they were out there I would have seen them.

I hope they catch this guy soon and that the officers stay safe doing the catching. Trying to track someone in rural PA who has shown a willingness and ability to use aimed rifle fire at range is nightmare material. At the same time “has a rifle and/or pistol” is about as useful descriptor here as “has an AK” is where you are.

I also suspect that if Chris Hayes or anyone else tried to come to central PA and do some demonize the cops reporting that he would be calling for the police to come get his ass sooner rather than later. Did you see the turn out for the trooper’s funeral?

Regards,

Robert A
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I know that area of North East PA quite well ITs 2- 2.5 hours north west of NYC.
Our summer/weeked house is two towns away
( thats another story we never get there Sigh)

the trooper barracks are out on rt 402 Just of route 84
,and are surrounded by a ton of state land
used for hunting
there are ample cabins , sheds etc available to hide and hold up.

also that area is full of with part time residents - myself included
with seasonal homes on nearby lakes
there are many trailer camps etc for people to make holidays
It also gets super rural pretty fast

I guarantee this kid is also mixed up in some drugs and bullshit gangs
that area and the surrounding NY state areas while beautiful are economically depressed
and have some breaking bad type shit going on.

last - there are many factions of neo nazi and other jerks floating around.

I hope he gets caught quick

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Geez…I go to the Bahamas for a couple of weeks and this place gets all serious…

Idaho…we have a guy very similar to you on our department. Most of our officers have never shot anyone…he’s been in 4 shootings now, I think. And it isn’t like he’s trying to start them…he just ends up in bad spots and has to finish them. He actually took some time away from the department to go work for Blackwater a couple years ago. I don’t think he shot anyone while he was overseas. He comes back here and sure enough…

And he’s the nicest guy in the world, too. But, that being said, I would absolutely want him around when the defecation hits the oscillation. I’m sure your guys feel the same.

And Robert…I’m just a cop. Probably not even a very good one, frankly.

Also…while I agree that most Texans come “pre-complimented” as you say (I’m going to steal that one), please bear in mind that in spite of finding gainful employment here, I will always consider my self a New Hampshirie-ite. (I personally just refer to us as Shire-folk.) Born and raised there. Will probably go back one day if the idiots from Massachusettes don’t ruin it. Live free or die!!!

I’ll tell you what though…after watching that video, I’m going to trade in my crossbow for a Milkor multi-grenade launcher!! I’m keeping the white rope, though.

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[quote]Robert A wrote:
Will can’t get recognized for courage or heroism. He is Canadian. Outside of hockey Canada is incapable of receiving recognition for such things. It doesn’t matter that Canada has one of what six actual, tier 1, peer reviewed military units? They have “no military”. It doesn’t matter how people Will manages to rough, cuff, and stuff in order to keep from having to shoot them. It’s Canada so any injuries must have been polite and folksy. So, Will can’t get mentioned.
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Lol, nicely done, Robert.

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[quote]mapwhap wrote:
And Robert…I’m just a cop. Probably not even a very good one, frankly.
[/quote]

Yep. I’m just a normal guy with a job that might require me to do abnormal things.

Do you feel you’re not a very good cop because you don’t always do what the department wants you to do? I feel in many ways that can make you a better cop.

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Mapwrap wrote: " And Robert…I’m just a cop. Probably not even a very good one, frankly."

Well, I am calling bullshit on that one. Just from reading your posts over the last year or so, I would go through a door with you anytime.

Will207 wrote: “Yep. I’m just a normal guy with a job that might require me to do abnormal things”. Great description of the job, I am going to steal this one, also , I would go through a door with you even if you are Canadian:))

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Something a little different: A large drone, carrying 4 hellfire missles, getting ready for a mission. Drones come in several sizes, but, you really cannot appreciate the quiet lethality until you get close to one. Those two “handlers” were very proud of her.

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Hellfire missles: Gives new meaning to " Death From Above"

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[quote]idaho wrote:
Mapwrap wrote: " And Robert…I’m just a cop. Probably not even a very good one, frankly."

Well, I am calling bullshit on that one. Just from reading your posts over the last year or so, I would go through a door with you anytime.

Will207 wrote: “Yep. I’m just a normal guy with a job that might require me to do abnormal things”. Great description of the job, I am going to steal this one, also , I would go through a door with you even if you are Canadian:))
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I’m calling bullshit as well. I’m thinking he meant he’s not a great employee, and please correct me if I’m wrong, mapwhap.

There’s a difference between being a good cop and a good employee. We have a guy who is adored by the brass. A few of us overheard the bosses call him “a rising star” and we almost puked. He doesn’t give a fuck about the guys and only cares what the bosses think of him. He’s no cop, but he’ll get promoted.

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Well…thank you, gentlemen. I appreciate the kind words.

Normally, I use that line as an icebreaker when people find out I’m a police officer. They do the whole, “Oh, you’re a cop?” thing, and I usually just smile and say, “Yeah…but I’m not a very good one.” That loosens them up, and then I can change the subject.

As for my other reasons for saying it…wel…let’s just say I’m of the opinion that a person should never think too highly of himself. I am confident in my abilitites, certainly. People in our line of work need to be. However, I make a point of not crossing the line from confidence into arrogance.

As Will207 pointed out, I’m also NOT a politician. I stepped on my crank one or two times as an officer…had a few days off without pay here and there for various things…typical stuff for a city PD officer, I suppose. Since then I have promoted to sergeant, have my own team, and I make a point of putting my guys’ needs first. I argue with the brass about how to employ them, I argue with SWAT about training and equipment for them, I argue to keep my guys our of trouble when they make minor screw ups… and I don’t argue about things unless I am pretty certain that I’m right to start with…which leads to me winning most of my arguments.

Ergo, some of the higher ranking folks have mentioned that I “have an opinion”. I’m not sure if they consider that a good thing or not.

Lastly, I just don’t have the temperment for BS. I have a bad habit of “calling it like I see it”. I still consider this to be a profession, and I think people who come here for other reasons need to GTFO.

Ah…to be like you Idaho, and be a professional door kicker…that would be the life!!

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[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Well…thank you, gentlemen. I appreciate the kind words.

Normally, I use that line as an icebreaker when people find out I’m a police officer. They do the whole, “Oh, you’re a cop?” thing, and I usually just smile and say, “Yeah…but I’m not a very good one.” That loosens them up, and then I can change the subject.

As for my other reasons for saying it…wel…let’s just say I’m of the opinion that a person should never think too highly of himself. I am confident in my abilitites, certainly. People in our line of work need to be. However, I make a point of not crossing the line from confidence into arrogance.

As Will207 pointed out, I’m also NOT a politician. I stepped on my crank one or two times as an officer…had a few days off without pay here and there for various things…typical stuff for a city PD officer, I suppose. Since then I have promoted to sergeant, have my own team, and I make a point of putting my guys’ needs first. I argue with the brass about how to employ them, I argue with SWAT about training and equipment for them, I argue to keep my guys our of trouble when they make minor screw ups… and I don’t argue about things unless I am pretty certain that I’m right to start with…which leads to me winning most of my arguments.

Ergo, some of the higher ranking folks have mentioned that I “have an opinion”. I’m not sure if they consider that a good thing or not.

Lastly, I just don’t have the temperment for BS. I have a bad habit of “calling it like I see it”. I still consider this to be a profession, and I think people who come here for other reasons need to GTFO.

Ah…to be like you Idaho, and be a professional door kicker…that would be the life!! [/quote]

It sounds like you would be great to work for. There’s nothin’ better than an “opinionated” sergeant going up to bat for his guys.

As for ice breakers, that’s a good one. Sometimes when meeting new people they get hung up on the job and can’t get past it. A funny example of this occurred when I stopped at a friend’s cousin’s house during a road trip. During dinner his wife asked me what I did for a living. When I told her, she dropped her fork and became nervous. They were really nice people.

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Great stuff guys. Lots to learn. I’m always humbled to find find myself (through the magic of the internet) in such company.

Regarding the fact that most officers will leave the job within a few years of a shooting (which I absolutely agree with Robert is a tragic waste of valuable insight and experience which was bought at the highest price).

The feeling I get from this thread and from other things I’ve read/conversations I’ve had on the subject is that this happens as much or more as a result the administrative meat grinder these officers are put through after the fact than out of any unresolved moral issues the officer may have as result of the shooting itself.

Am I picking this up correctly?

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Will207,

Exactly. So many people try to make it the focus of conversation once they find out, or they start acting all weird, or I just feel like I’m under a microscope. I usually change the focus back to them as quickly as possible. That way, I don’t have to hear about their last speeding ticket, or get asked questions about their traffic warrants, etc.

I was dating a girl years ago, and I met her and some of her friends at a local bar. She introduces me as , “Mapwhap the cop” to everyone there in a very loud voice. I was like, really?? You couldn’t have just said my first name and left it at that??

Took me more than a few beers to get the attention on someone else that night, I assure you.

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Batman730,

I’ve never met an officer who had been in a shooting who had a moral issue with what they had done. Frankly, even the proverbial “meat grinder” after the fact has not traditionally been that bad on my dept. We’ve had a few controversial shoots, and that can wear on an officer, but on the clean cut ones, it hasn’t been an issue at all.

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[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Batman730,

I’ve never met an officer who had been in a shooting who had a moral issue with what they had done. Frankly, even the proverbial “meat grinder” after the fact has not traditionally been that bad on my dept. We’ve had a few controversial shoots, and that can wear on an officer, but on the clean cut ones, it hasn’t been an issue at all.[/quote]

Glad to hear it. I’m always appalled to hear about cops getting thrown to the wolves for doing what we ask them to do (i.e. go out into the dark with a gun to protect my cake eating ass from the bad guys).