Bad Ideas

[quote]Will207 wrote:

From what I’m told, real poutine isn’t made with actual gravy.

Where in Quebec were you? I assume Montreal. Quebec is well known for it’s poutine and poontang. [/quote]

I don’t know if it was “real”, but it was real good.

I didn’t have the “good” poutine in Quebec. I had it one of the times I was in Toronto, my favorite city. I noticed the quebec accent on many of the “friendly” women even there. I love Toronto, great theater, art, museums, booze, broads, and most folks can understand me when I speak. Hell more than half of them will even admit they can understand English.

Regards,

Robert A

Tyranny has sprouted in my home and native land, Canada! The humanity!

Armoured vehicle may have saved lives: police

Shots were fired at police when officers arrived on the scene, and the police service’s armoured vehicle was brought in to help rescue family members hiding behind the parked car and to keep officers safe.

“Those people could have been injured or killed,” police spokesperson Alyson Edwards said Monday. “Passersby could have been injured or killed, our officers were fired at, our vehicles were damaged.”

The armoured vehicle was damaged by bullets and police say the incident emphasizes the value of officer preparedness.

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]Will207 wrote:

From what I’m told, real poutine isn’t made with actual gravy.

Where in Quebec were you? I assume Montreal. Quebec is well known for it’s poutine and poontang. [/quote]

I don’t know if it was “real”, but it was real good.

I didn’t have the “good” poutine in Quebec. I had it one of the times I was in Toronto, my favorite city. I noticed the quebec accent on many of the “friendly” women even there. I love Toronto, great theater, art, museums, booze, broads, and most folks can understand me when I speak. Hell more than half of them will even admit they can understand English.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

It’s funny than Toronto is your favorite city. Most people from Canada outside of Toronto loathe her and her inhabitants.

[quote]Will207 wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]Will207 wrote:

From what I’m told, real poutine isn’t made with actual gravy.

Where in Quebec were you? I assume Montreal. Quebec is well known for it’s poutine and poontang. [/quote]

I don’t know if it was “real”, but it was real good.

I didn’t have the “good” poutine in Quebec. I had it one of the times I was in Toronto, my favorite city. I noticed the quebec accent on many of the “friendly” women even there. I love Toronto, great theater, art, museums, booze, broads, and most folks can understand me when I speak. Hell more than half of them will even admit they can understand English.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

It’s funny than Toronto is your favorite city. Most people from Canada outside of Toronto loathe her and her inhabitants. [/quote]

Well shit.

I was a tourist, so it is possible that I just couldn’t see past the shine/gleam.

I am also told that Molson Golden is basically redneck beer along with Labatt “Fitty”. I like both of those plenty.

Perhaps I just suck at culture.

Regards,

Robert A

I am going to ask for fact checking here.

In FightinIrish’s log the topic of post event issues, PTSD or other, has come up. I am in the position of forwarding some info that I think is correct, and seems like it would be, but is outside of my lane.

Link

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_boxing_fighting_mma_combat/log_o_the_irish_20?pageNo=41#6101495

The quote tree in question is on page 42, the discussion starts a bit earlier.

In particular my statement

[quote]Robert A wrote:
What comes next is essentially rumor for me, but I will cross post in the Bad Ideas thread and if it turns out I heard/read wrong than I will update/edit because those guys would know. Even for OIS the post violence investigation is often hellish. While U.S. LEO’s have a ton more protections regarding use of force, and most importantly don’t usually have to pay their own way for legal defense and are indemnified against Civil Tort, they still face months of being “looked at” and “second guessed”. To a large extent I think this is necessary for oversight. However, my understanding is a substantial number of cops leave law enforcement within several years of a justified shooting.

Because of the legal situation even a cop faces, much less those of us without qualified immunity and civil protections, the standard answer is to shut up until you lawyer up. This can leave the shooter feeling like he did something wrong/was the bad guy. The rumor I have heard is that some departments have instituted having an immediate pier contact with the shooter. So as soon as possible someone basically has a “Look, I am not going to ask you about your shooting. If you start to tell me about it, I am going ask you to stop. We are going to talk about sports, life, the weather, and food. And maybe, if you don’t mind, I will tell you a little about what happened during, and after I had to shoot someone, and how I felt about it.” Supposedly this approach has drastically reduced PTSD claims and aided retention of experienced officers.

So while either of you may very well be able to handle using deadly force if it was needed to protect yourselves or a loved one (the wasn’t needed, but looked like it was problem is a whole 'nother can of suck) you may have issues with the reactions/aftermath. Hence the “different” statement.
[/quote]

My questions are:

1.) Is the stat/notion of many officers leaving within several years of an OIS true? Or was that only “emotionally true” to the folks telling me?

2.) The post shooting contact. Have any of you heard of something like that vs a simple “Not a fucking word.” council?

Thank you in advance for your consideration.

Regards,

Robert A

In addition,

FighinIrish26 recently buried a friend and if you feel compelled to wish him well his training log may be a good place to do so.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]Will207 wrote:
Tyranny has sprouted in my home and native land, Canada! The humanity!

Armoured vehicle may have saved lives: police

Shots were fired at police when officers arrived on the scene, and the police service’s armoured vehicle was brought in to help rescue family members hiding behind the parked car and to keep officers safe.

“Those people could have been injured or killed,” police spokesperson Alyson Edwards said Monday. “Passersby could have been injured or killed, our officers were fired at, our vehicles were damaged.”

The armoured vehicle was damaged by bullets and police say the incident emphasizes the value of officer preparedness.

Granted it is “may” have saved lives, but I always thought the idea of police using armored transports to, you know, transport folk in armor was a way more rational and useful idea than some kind of gearing up for urban warfare fantasy.

I mean, first of all, if the fucking thing has wheels on it than large scale shooting and burning is not going to play well with it. I have never figured BearCats/MRAPS/Glorified Bank Cars would add a ton of survivability in a serious conflict. They do however allow the police a chance to ferry people to and from positions and perhaps even pick up wounded during a stand off.

I don’t think anyone should have any illusions of armor getting to a scene in time to be relevant in an “active shooter” or even worse in the opening minutes of a Mumbai style attack, mostly because driving a large slow vehicle to the scene will take time. On the other hand they have to be a good asset in any kind of stand off.

The LAPD had armor during the North Hollywood Shootout. Getting it to the scene of the hell didn’t work out because of reasons(traffic, distance, ect.)

Jokes aside I am at a loss as to why anyone would want used armor to rot in storage or get chopped into razor blades rather than leasing/lending it to local agencies. I get the financial issue, but in the states the MRAPS have already been bought and paid for. That is a sunk cost. IF the conversation was about buying new, than sure the “Do the cops really need this?” question comes up. Instead I think the question is “can the cops handle the upkeep, storage, ect. and do they have anyone compitant to use it.”

The competent part is important. Because here is a case of a good idea, at least in my mind (program to get used MRAPS as an affordable armored vehicle for local police), being turned into a “bad idea” by someone who opted to not think.

It is the Banning PD MRAP crash/debacle/you have got to be fucking kidding me

Cliff notes:

-Banning PD accepts surplus MRAPS (perhaps without doing the essential “Mother may I’s” with the city council.

-Banning PD accepts possession of MRAP by picking it up in Fort Bliss, Texas

-Banning PD opts not to ship by trailer, but to go ahead and drive the damn thing home. Fucking A. Road trip. Seriously though, I think these things have a fairly spendy cost per mile calculation so this may have already been a bad idea. It isn’t a Corolla.

-Officer driving MRAP does so at speeds of 75mph, which exceeds the rated speed of the tires, has blow out, and smashes into an F150 and damages another car. (It is worth looking at the picks to see how well the Ford held up.) Another car caught some damage as well. Crash happened in Arizona they had to get to Cali.

-No one was seriously injured

-Officer driving did not have a license rating for operating something that heavy. I don’t know if that matters for cops or not. I do know going 75mph in a top heavy MRAP with used tires not rated for that speed isn’t exactly a “quality” decision. My understanding is they are fairly easy to flip and not exactly nimble.

So, I guess I am for every department, BUT the Banning PD having MRAPS. I might not want the guys making the road trip decisions to have arrest powers either. I mean, damn. Then again, they probably learned their lesson.

In reality I really don’t get any of the gnashing of teeth over armor. I figure an unethical cop doesn’t need an MRAP to do all manor of bad things. The good ones can use them to do good though.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]Robert A wrote:
I am going to ask for fact checking here.

In FightinIrish’s log the topic of post event issues, PTSD or other, has come up. I am in the position of forwarding some info that I think is correct, and seems like it would be, but is outside of my lane.

Link

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_boxing_fighting_mma_combat/log_o_the_irish_20?pageNo=41#6101495

The quote tree in question is on page 42, the discussion starts a bit earlier.

In particular my statement

[quote]Robert A wrote:
What comes next is essentially rumor for me, but I will cross post in the Bad Ideas thread and if it turns out I heard/read wrong than I will update/edit because those guys would know. Even for OIS the post violence investigation is often hellish. While U.S. LEO’s have a ton more protections regarding use of force, and most importantly don’t usually have to pay their own way for legal defense and are indemnified against Civil Tort, they still face months of being “looked at” and “second guessed”. To a large extent I think this is necessary for oversight. However, my understanding is a substantial number of cops leave law enforcement within several years of a justified shooting.

Because of the legal situation even a cop faces, much less those of us without qualified immunity and civil protections, the standard answer is to shut up until you lawyer up. This can leave the shooter feeling like he did something wrong/was the bad guy. The rumor I have heard is that some departments have instituted having an immediate pier contact with the shooter. So as soon as possible someone basically has a “Look, I am not going to ask you about your shooting. If you start to tell me about it, I am going ask you to stop. We are going to talk about sports, life, the weather, and food. And maybe, if you don’t mind, I will tell you a little about what happened during, and after I had to shoot someone, and how I felt about it.” Supposedly this approach has drastically reduced PTSD claims and aided retention of experienced officers.

So while either of you may very well be able to handle using deadly force if it was needed to protect yourselves or a loved one (the wasn’t needed, but looked like it was problem is a whole 'nother can of suck) you may have issues with the reactions/aftermath. Hence the “different” statement.
[/quote]

My questions are:

1.) Is the stat/notion of many officers leaving within several years of an OIS true? Or was that only “emotionally true” to the folks telling me?

2.) The post shooting contact. Have any of you heard of something like that vs a simple “Not a fucking word.” council?

Thank you in advance for your consideration.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

From my personal experiences:

Note: all U.S. shootings prior to March 2004.

Shooting #1: I was an uniformed officer, Supervisor arrived on the scene, put me in the front seat of his car, asked if I was ok, asked what happened, then said, “the bastard is white, so, we shouldnt have any media problems”

Shooting #2: working narcotics. High ranking supervisor arrived on the scene, looked around for about 10 minutes, talked to the unformed officers, walked over to me and said" get in back of the van, you look more like a maggot, than the guy you shot"

Shooting #3: SWAT call, 2 other shooters involved. Supervison had us wait in different areas, called out the investigative shooting team, assigned each of us an investigator and was told to “not say a fucking word” until we were back at HQ.

OIS: Yes, it has been my experience that anyone involved will leave after about 2 or 3 years BUT, you have to remember, thats about the time the lawsuits are either settled or you are going to trial. example:shooting #1 took 2 years to resolve. By the time its all over, a officer is exhausted mentally and just says “fuck this”.

  • jumped ship to the feds in 2004, worked in CONUS for about a year, been in a unit which works in combat zones ever since. Fed rules require you to be assigned someone to “watch over you” until they and the military do their investigation, that includes all shootings in an AO, if the area is secure.

[quote]idaho wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:
I am going to ask for fact checking here.

In FightinIrish’s log the topic of post event issues, PTSD or other, has come up. I am in the position of forwarding some info that I think is correct, and seems like it would be, but is outside of my lane.

Link

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_boxing_fighting_mma_combat/log_o_the_irish_20?pageNo=41#6101495

The quote tree in question is on page 42, the discussion starts a bit earlier.

In particular my statement

[quote]Robert A wrote:
What comes next is essentially rumor for me, but I will cross post in the Bad Ideas thread and if it turns out I heard/read wrong than I will update/edit because those guys would know. Even for OIS the post violence investigation is often hellish. While U.S. LEO’s have a ton more protections regarding use of force, and most importantly don’t usually have to pay their own way for legal defense and are indemnified against Civil Tort, they still face months of being “looked at” and “second guessed”. To a large extent I think this is necessary for oversight. However, my understanding is a substantial number of cops leave law enforcement within several years of a justified shooting.

Because of the legal situation even a cop faces, much less those of us without qualified immunity and civil protections, the standard answer is to shut up until you lawyer up. This can leave the shooter feeling like he did something wrong/was the bad guy. The rumor I have heard is that some departments have instituted having an immediate pier contact with the shooter. So as soon as possible someone basically has a “Look, I am not going to ask you about your shooting. If you start to tell me about it, I am going ask you to stop. We are going to talk about sports, life, the weather, and food. And maybe, if you don’t mind, I will tell you a little about what happened during, and after I had to shoot someone, and how I felt about it.” Supposedly this approach has drastically reduced PTSD claims and aided retention of experienced officers.

So while either of you may very well be able to handle using deadly force if it was needed to protect yourselves or a loved one (the wasn’t needed, but looked like it was problem is a whole 'nother can of suck) you may have issues with the reactions/aftermath. Hence the “different” statement.
[/quote]

My questions are:

1.) Is the stat/notion of many officers leaving within several years of an OIS true? Or was that only “emotionally true” to the folks telling me?

2.) The post shooting contact. Have any of you heard of something like that vs a simple “Not a fucking word.” council?

Thank you in advance for your consideration.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

From my personal experiences:

Note: all U.S. shootings prior to March 2004.

Shooting #1: I was an uniformed officer, Supervisor arrived on the scene, put me in the front seat of his car, asked if I was ok, asked what happened, then said, “the bastard is white, so, we shouldnt have any media problems”

Shooting #2: working narcotics. High ranking supervisor arrived on the scene, looked around for about 10 minutes, talked to the unformed officers, walked over to me and said" get in back of the van, you look more like a maggot, than the guy you shot"

Shooting #3: SWAT call, 2 other shooters involved. Supervison had us wait in different areas, called out the investigative shooting team, assigned each of us an investigator and was told to “not say a fucking word” until we were back at HQ.

OIS: Yes, it has been my experience that anyone involved will leave after about 2 or 3 years BUT, you have to remember, thats about the time the lawsuits are either settled or you are going to trial. example:shooting #1 took 2 years to resolve. By the time its all over, a officer is exhausted mentally and just says “fuck this”.

  • jumped ship to the feds in 2004, worked in CONUS for about a year, been in a unit which works in combat zones ever since. Fed rules require you to be assigned someone to “watch over you” until they and the military do their investigation, that includes all shootings in an AO, if the area is secure.
    [/quote]

Wow, idaho. Most guys go their whole career without a shooting. Glad you pulled through physically, mentally, and legally.

Will207,
^^^^^^^. Thank you. Nothing special or heroic on my side, just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and, I was extremely lucky on all three. 1 was a “loud noise call” that went bad, 2 was a parking lot buy bust that went south, and 3 was a high risk search warrant on a meth operation, at least we had intel on the bad guys, so, at least we weren’t walking in blind.

Note: That was over 10 years ago and it was a bitch then dealing with the aftermath, what the hell is it like pushing a patrol car around today? I check policeone.com every day that I can, to keep up. This has been a disastrous week for us, especially with the PA. State Police attack yesterday. You just watch your 6 and be safe, be sharp.

[quote]idaho wrote:
Will207,
^^^^^^^. Thank you. Nothing special or heroic on my side, just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and, I was extremely lucky on all three.[/quote]

Idaho,

Thank you for sharing the details above. I realize I am venturing out of my lane commenting on this, but I disagree with the bolded. Both simple statistics and your observation about so many officers quitting after an OIS shows that someone with your experiences meets the definition of special, as in different.

At the risk of starting an argument, and knowing I am going against your modesty, I am also going to point out that the etymology of hero has strong implications and associations with being a “protector” and “one who watches over”. I think that is as fair a description as any of your chosen career path.

The fact is you have in the past, and continue to go into harms way in order to protect others, and you do so with full, experiential, knowledge that your risk and sacrifice may be met with ingratitude by some of those you protect. If that doesn’t fit your definitions of special or hero than perhaps there is a language issue. I am grateful and humbled for you sharing of the above, and for your past and continued service.

Since I am already out of my lane I may as well keep going. I hope your modesty is in no way due to any second guessing or regret of the above actions. If it is, please know that to what ever extent is possible over the faceless internet you have impressed me as a man you makes moral and reasoned decisions. I have faith that the above shootings were the morally, ethically, and tactically justified actions of a good man.

Further more I would also like to say that it is ok to be “ok” with the shootings above. The idea that not being racked with guilt or demons from doing what is necessary to protect yourself or others is somehow evidence of being damaged, broken, or empty in any psychological, moral, or spiritual sense is modern, revisionist nonsense. Doing what you do for the benefit of others in not shameful, if anything I think pride is/would be appropriate. At least that is how I see it.

I haven’t been there. I haven’t done that. I am not a brother in arms. I am in no way qualified to weigh in on this stuff.

I could easily be wrong.

But I am not.

Thank you.

Train hard. Stay safe.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]idaho wrote:
OIS: Yes, it has been my experience that anyone involved will leave after about 2 or 3 years BUT, you have to remember, thats about the time the lawsuits are either settled or you are going to trial. example:shooting #1 took 2 years to resolve. By the time its all over, a officer is exhausted mentally and just says “fuck this”.
[/quote]

Very seriously:

Am I the only one that sees this as a huge problem? I would like to state that I have nothing but respect anyone in a dangerous and important field that feels burned out or no longer “there” who decides to walk away or take a break rather than do such things half hearted. Still, I see this as potentially a huge loss of experience.

I have read sentiments to the effect that a most everyone “lucks” their way through their first really bad “day”/“thing”, be it a shooting, or a nightmare code, or some other emergency. It is after that first event, if they survive it, that some of them decide to get good at handling that type of crisis. Those are the folks who get really fucking good.

If hospitals were staffed by folks who wouldn’t be around 3 years after their first dead baby, or hallway full of people who no longer have a mom(on Mother’s Day), ect. I cannot imagine the state medicine would be in. If docs quit after the first time they were named in a bogus med mal suit we would be out of doctors quick.

There has got to be a way to still have the needed investigation and oversight into shootings in order to catch/flush out the small number of criminal actions without having a system that drives out experienced officers. I think structuring things so Kathryn Johnston’s* killers still get caught, but the vast, vast majority of officers who use deadly force justly aren’t abused and discarded has to be an attainable goal.

Actually, it should be an an attainable priority. If people actually decided to give a fuck it might be THE priority. Retaining officers with the experience to make better “quality” of decisions in the future seems to be the best way to insure officer safety. No amount of armored vehicles, drones, patrol rifles, or gear of any kind** can replace decision making.

If Chris Hayes or anyone else really gave a shit about public safety and “unjustified” use of force they would be be demanding that people with the experience to make decisions be retained, instead of bitching about cargo pockets, uniforms, or whatever the fuck else they do.

Would actual peer to peer talks/counseling post OIS help? Anything else that would?

Just some thoughts of mine.

Regards,

Robert A

*Link to the Johnston case
Wiki Killing of Kathryn Johnston - Wikipedia

**Except crossbows. Crossbows totally take the place of planning and thinking.

In the interest of dark comedy:

[quote]idaho wrote:
" High ranking supervisor arrived on the scene, looked around for about 10 minutes, talked to the unformed officers, walked over to me and said" get in back of the van, you look more like a maggot, than the guy you shot"
[/quote]

$10,000 Pyramid! “Things not to write in your online dating profile!”

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]idaho wrote:
Will207,
^^^^^^^. Thank you. Nothing special or heroic on my side, just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and, I was extremely lucky on all three.[/quote]

Idaho,

Thank you for sharing the details above. I realize I am venturing out of my lane commenting on this, but I disagree with the bolded. Both simple statistics and your observation about so many officers quitting after an OIS shows that someone with your experiences meets the definition of special, as in different. At the risk of starting an argument, and knowing I am going against your modesty, I am also going to point out that the etymology of hero has strong implications and associations with being a “protector” and “one who watches over”. I think that is as fair a description as any of your chosen career path.

The fact is you have in the past, and continue to go into harms way in order to protect others, and you do so with full, experiential, knowledge that your risk and sacrifice may be met with ingratitude by some of those you protect. If that doesn’t fit your definitions of special or hero than perhaps there is a language issue. I am grateful and humbled for you sharing of the above, and for your past and continued service.

Since I am already out of my lane I may as well keep going. I hope your modesty is in no way due to any second guessing or regret of the above actions. If it is, please know that to what ever extent is possible over the faceless internet you have impressed me as a man you makes moral and reasoned decisions. I have faith that the above shootings were the morally, ethically, and tactically justified actions of a good man.

Further more I would also like to say that it is ok to be “ok” with the shootings above. The idea that not being racked with guilt or demons from doing what is necessary to protect yourself or others is somehow evidence of being damaged, broken, or empty in any psychological, moral, or spiritual sense is modern, revisionist nonsense. Doing what you do for the benefit of others in not shameful, if anything I think pride is/would be appropriate. At least that is how I see it.

I haven’t been there. I haven’t done that. I am not a brother in arms. I am in no way qualified to weigh in on this stuff.

I could easily be wrong.

But I am not.

Thank you.

Train hard. Stay safe.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Robert,
Thank you for the kind words and I am truly humbled by your post. I genuinely do not feel I am anything special and I will try to explain: I have been very fortunate to train and work with some of the most elite units in the U.S. military, our NATO counterparts, and specialized units in states. Last November, I spent two weeks in West Virgina, training with members of various tactical teams around the country. I came away from that training having to face the fact, that on that level, I was just “qualified”. A humbling experience that teaches you to just suck it up and get better. I feel like we all need a kick in the butt occasionally or we start believing that we are better than we are.

The definition of a hero to me is what someone has went through that I havent, and faced death or sickness with calmness and honor. I have met and had conversations with two MOH recipients and came away from that experience with a sense of purpose, to do more with my life. I once worked with an officer whose 6 year son was fighting leukemia. He and I worked same shift (2300-0700). His wife was a school teacher. He would leave work, go home, care for his son until the wife got off work, catch a few hours sleep, come into work. He had to work to keep the medical insurance for his son. That is a hero in my eyes.

I thought long and hard about death. The thought of getting killed is not as terrifying to me as being severly injured and especially being blinded,trapped and burned to death, paralyzed, losing legs or arms. I have met many over the past few years with brain injuries, missing limbs, etc…and I always wonder if I would have the guts to be as strong as they are, would I have the sheer courage to go on with life, a shell of my former self? I know people who battle back from those injuries get no medals but deserve my highest respect.

And to Mapwrap, Will, and others here, to put on the uniform everyday, to handle all the stress from working the streets, and then have to deal with a public and the department brass , who will feed you to the wolves to cover their asses, thats true courage. In a way, I have it much easier now than when I worked the streets, (sad), but the lines are much clearer here: You are either alive at the end of the day or you are not, you either have all your body parts or you dont. Simple and a lot less stressful than doing everything you can to make a “right decision” and not end up under an ME’s knife.

This is not arrogance or ignorance, but I have never felt guilty about dropping the hammer on a bad guy. I believe this comes from being orphaned at a young age and I didnt have the luxury of lying to myself. I just know, I will make the best decision I can, with the time and information given, after that, what else can you do? Cannot always say it will be the right decision, but, I know that it wasn’t made out of panic.

The three shootings above were not mine in the making, the perps made the decision to take it to the next level and I am not responsible for their decisions. There is a old saying in police work: “A suspect’s actions dictates an officer’s reactions”. Maybe this all justification on my part, but, fuck it, I didnt try to kill them first.

Since we are talking seriously, I really dont know if am as morally strong as in the past. Over the past few years, my hatred for Islamic extremists is growing. I believe they are vicious cowards, killers of the worst stripe and their sick brand of religion needs to be cleansed, so, the coward who beheads helpless men, I dont know if he would survive a fair hearing with me. So, in that regard, I am glad Mapwrap is out there to do the right thing.

And never forget, you are indeed a brother in arms. Just because you dont carry a badge, doesnt mean you are not a brother.

Too serious a conversation:)) I think I will post a couple of recent pictures for humor’s sake.

[quote]idaho wrote:
Robert,
Thank you for the kind words and I am truly humbled by your post. I genuinely do not feel I am anything special and I will try to explain: I have been very fortunate to train and work with some of the most elite units in the U.S. military, our NATO counterparts, and specialized units in states. Last November, I spent two weeks in West Virgina, training with members of various tactical teams around the country. I came away from that training having to face the fact, that on that level, I was just “qualified”. A humbling experience that teaches you to just suck it up and get better. I feel like we all need a kick in the butt occasionally or we start believing that we are better than we are.

The definition of a hero to me is what someone has went through that I havent, and faced death or sickness with calmness and honor. I have met and had conversations with two MOH recipients and came away from that experience with a sense of purpose, to do more with my life. I once worked with an officer whose 6 year son was fighting leukemia. He and I worked same shift (2300-0700). His wife was a school teacher. He would leave work, go home, care for his son until the wife got off work, catch a few hours sleep, come into work. He had to work to keep the medical insurance for his son. That is a hero in my eyes.

I thought long and hard about death. The thought of getting killed is not as terrifying to me as being severly injured and especially being blinded,trapped and burned to death, paralyzed, losing legs or arms. I have met many over the past few years with brain injuries, missing limbs, etc…and I always wonder if I would have the guts to be as strong as they are, would I have the sheer courage to go on with life, a shell of my former self? I know people who battle back from those injuries get no medals but deserve my highest respect.

And to Mapwrap, Will, and others here, to put on the uniform everyday, to handle all the stress from working the streets, and then have to deal with a public and the department brass , who will feed you to the wolves to cover their asses, thats true courage. In a way, I have it much easier now than when I worked the streets, (sad), but the lines are much clearer here: You are either alive at the end of the day or you are not, you either have all your body parts or you dont. Simple and a lot less stressful than doing everything you can to make a “right decision” and not end up under an ME’s knife.

This is not arrogance or ignorance, but I have never felt guilty about dropping the hammer on a bad guy. I believe this comes from being orphaned at a young age and I didnt have the luxury of lying to myself. I just know, I will make the best decision I can, with the time and information given, after that, what else can you do? Cannot always say it will be the right decision, but, I know that it wasn’t made out of panic.

The three shootings above were not mine in the making, the perps made the decision to take it to the next level and I am not responsible for their decisions. There is a old saying in police work: “A suspect’s actions dictates an officer’s reactions”. Maybe this all justification on my part, but, fuck it, I didnt try to kill them first.

Since we are talking seriously, I really dont know if am as morally strong as in the past. Over the past few years, my hatred for Islamic extremists is growing. I believe they are vicious cowards, killers of the worst stripe and their sick brand of religion needs to be cleansed, so, the coward who beheads helpless men, I dont know if he would survive a fair hearing with me. So, in that regard, I am glad Mapwrap is out there to do the right thing.

And never forget, you are indeed a brother in arms. Just because you dont carry a badge, doesnt mean you are not a brother.

Too serious a conversation:)) I think I will post a couple of recent pictures for humor’s sake.
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Yeah.

I am still right.

In the interest of comedy

[quote]idaho wrote:
And to Mapwrap, Will, and others here, to put on the uniform everyday, to handle all the stress from working the streets…
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Will can’t get recognized for courage or heroism. He is Canadian. Outside of hockey Canada is incapable of receiving recognition for such things. It doesn’t matter that Canada has one of what six actual, tier 1, peer reviewed military units? They have “no military”. It doesn’t matter how people Will manages to rough, cuff, and stuff in order to keep from having to shoot them. It’s Canada so any injuries must have been polite and folksy. So, Will can’t get mentioned.

Mapwhap is a good choice, but Texans generally come “pre complimented” from the factory. He also can rely on crossbows and coiled rope, so it is a whole different thing.

In ernest:

I know them only from their posts, but my feeling is that both Will and mapwhap are absolute credits to their agencies, communities, and perhaps humanity. I wasn’t trying to single you out to their exclusion, but I simply think your modesty was too self deprecating.

I would like to think everyone knows the high regard I hold them in.

Regards,

Robert A

I suck at computers

I am still trying to follow the PA Trooper shooting.

So far I have just got some very bare bones info, and a lot of conjecture.

The one trooper is still hanging on as far as I know. So there is at least that.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]Robert A wrote:
I am still trying to follow the PA Trooper shooting.

So far I have just got some very bare bones info, and a lot of conjecture.

The one trooper is still hanging on as far as I know. So there is at least that.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

An Update: Funny how Chris Hayes (Fuck him) always fails to report these type of “police shootings”.


For Humor: Taliban Transportation. I think the albino one on the far right is kind of cute:))