Back Width Genetic?

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[quote]Artem wrote:
believedat wrote:
Artem wrote:
That guy isn’t all too wide, and back muscles make your entire upper body wider. The medial delt head adds to it a lot, but doesn’t effect your entire upper body like the back.

But if you want to look like that guy, it wouldn’t be all that hard.

yea his back is just jokes, look at artems pictures, now thats where its at

// end major sarcasm

Bringing up pictures from 85lbs ago, awesome. As if it were at all relevant to my post, too.
Eat a dick whydontcha.[/quote]

stfu noob, lmfao at some nerdy white kid saying dwights build at 7feet tall isnt impressive especially considering he is an nba player, still owns you, suck my cock, along with your mom bitchass

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Lol at these kids…

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[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
I have a whole collection of material that I’ll share in due time. It is painful but adds INCHES to your lat spread overnight lol.

As PX said, it is dangerous.

if you see some bber claiming to have developed a “landing strip” (hint hint) in a year or two of following some super training methodology - weighted rack chins and weighted lat stretches without coming in a LOT heavier than earlier - there’s a good chance he has performed “it”.

No offence to D’s or JH’s followers - the weighted lat stretches DO WORK. But give credit where credit is due.

waylanderxx wrote:
TD do you have any before and after pics of this scapular dislocation technique?

This is something I’ve never even heard of until you mentioned it a while back and I haven’t heard about it since.

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I personally think you are giving that way more credit than it deserves.

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[quote]believedat wrote:
Artem wrote:
believedat wrote:
Artem wrote:
That guy isn’t all too wide, and back muscles make your entire upper body wider. The medial delt head adds to it a lot, but doesn’t effect your entire upper body like the back.

But if you want to look like that guy, it wouldn’t be all that hard.

yea his back is just jokes, look at artems pictures, now thats where its at

// end major sarcasm

Bringing up pictures from 85lbs ago, awesome. As if it were at all relevant to my post, too.
Eat a dick whydontcha.

stfu noob, lmfao at some nerdy white kid saying dwights build at 7feet tall isnt impressive especially considering he is an nba player, still owns you, suck my cock, along with your mom bitchass[/quote]
Stop posting.

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Well, I think it has some value for someone who has enough development but either wants to dominate that pose or is somewhat challenged in the “back width” department. Clearly this is not something that will help most of the readers of this site lol.

Lee priest is someone I feel COULD have derived some benefit if he had performed it.
On a side note, you won;t believe how many emails I received from (likely) beginning lifters in the last few hours asking about the technique.

Attached two pics of Dante he had posted on getbig.com to show the difference it can make. In the first (a different pose), he can;t really “disengage” his scapulae because his traps are flexed and arms turned inwards, int eh second he CAN. you can see the difference that newfound "movement"adds to full width - side effect being that delts flatten out (look at Kiovacs performing the same pose).

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I personally think you are giving that way more credit than it deserves.[/quote]

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[quote]tribunaldude wrote:

On a side note, you won;t believe how many emails I received from (likely) beginning lifters in the last few hours asking about the technique.

[/quote]

Mostly why Dante won’t tell anybody over the internet how to do it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
The width of an untrained back is genetic but anyone can spread there scapula and do a ton of wide grip pullups to get a much wider back.

On the other hand, one of the most impressive backs i have ever seen was Robbie Robinsons.His back was like the broad side of a barn, His wide back probably was due to genetics.

The guy in that picture isn’t “untrained”…at all. Beyond that, spreading your scapula? That’s where you go first when someone asks about development? Some maneuver that some licensed practitioners might warn against?

Guess what…Robbie Robinson trained for years to get a back like that. Blaming that on “genetics” as if the decades of hard work didn’t do it is more of an insult.

Im well aware that Robbie trained for years but to say you could take any two untrained people and have them both put in the same time and effort that Robbie did and get the same results would be wrong.He had a wide back and small waist.Not everytone has that.

I didn’t say that two people have the exact same genetics. Is this really this hard to understand?

I’m a big guy. I have a big back as well. However, if you came up to me and claimed I was this size because of “genetics”…and not because I busted my ass for the last 14 years, you would be dead wrong.

Madtitan on this board went off on someone for that once. They tried to claim he only looked the way he did because of genetics…as if eating those 6 meals a day and training for several hours a week isn’t why.

Genetics may determine just how big someone can get, but that has jack shit to do with most people unless they are on stage next to him.

Blaming “genetics” alone implies that you can not improve drastically unless you were born with freak genetics.

The OP didn’t even fucking ask about genetics limits.[/quote]

Im gonna clear this up real quick cuz you obviuosly dont get it.Lets say one guy has a 29" waist and one guy has a 34" waist and thats just how they are but they train back the same and acording to the tape they are the same size.On stage the guy with the smaller waist because of genetics is gonna look bigger and score better.Thats genetics!!

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[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
The width of an untrained back is genetic but anyone can spread there scapula and do a ton of wide grip pullups to get a much wider back.

On the other hand, one of the most impressive backs i have ever seen was Robbie Robinsons.His back was like the broad side of a barn, His wide back probably was due to genetics.

The guy in that picture isn’t “untrained”…at all. Beyond that, spreading your scapula? That’s where you go first when someone asks about development? Some maneuver that some licensed practitioners might warn against?

Guess what…Robbie Robinson trained for years to get a back like that. Blaming that on “genetics” as if the decades of hard work didn’t do it is more of an insult.

Im well aware that Robbie trained for years but to say you could take any two untrained people and have them both put in the same time and effort that Robbie did and get the same results would be wrong.He had a wide back and small waist.Not everytone has that.

I didn’t say that two people have the exact same genetics. Is this really this hard to understand?

I’m a big guy. I have a big back as well. However, if you came up to me and claimed I was this size because of “genetics”…and not because I busted my ass for the last 14 years, you would be dead wrong.

Madtitan on this board went off on someone for that once. They tried to claim he only looked the way he did because of genetics…as if eating those 6 meals a day and training for several hours a week isn’t why.

Genetics may determine just how big someone can get, but that has jack shit to do with most people unless they are on stage next to him.

Blaming “genetics” alone implies that you can not improve drastically unless you were born with freak genetics.

The OP didn’t even fucking ask about genetics limits.

Im gonna clear this up real quick cuz you obviuosly dont get it.Lets say one guy has a 29" waist and one guy has a 34" waist and thats just how they are but they train back the same and acording to the tape they are the same size.On stage the guy with the smaller waist because of genetics is gonna look bigger and score better.Thats genetics!![/quote]

Uh, no shit! No one was arguing otherwise and the OP isn’t even talking about that so what relevance does your revelation have here? You are explaining “genetic bone structure” to someone who was actually trained in genetics. Gee, thanks.

That doesn’t mean that even in your example that the guy with the bigger waist can’t make his lats even bigger…which is what bodybuilding is about, using whatever genetics you have to create the “illusion” of balance and symmetry.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
The width of an untrained back is genetic but anyone can spread there scapula and do a ton of wide grip pullups to get a much wider back.

On the other hand, one of the most impressive backs i have ever seen was Robbie Robinsons.His back was like the broad side of a barn, His wide back probably was due to genetics.

The guy in that picture isn’t “untrained”…at all. Beyond that, spreading your scapula? That’s where you go first when someone asks about development? Some maneuver that some licensed practitioners might warn against?

Guess what…Robbie Robinson trained for years to get a back like that. Blaming that on “genetics” as if the decades of hard work didn’t do it is more of an insult.

Im well aware that Robbie trained for years but to say you could take any two untrained people and have them both put in the same time and effort that Robbie did and get the same results would be wrong.He had a wide back and small waist.Not everytone has that.

I didn’t say that two people have the exact same genetics. Is this really this hard to understand?

I’m a big guy. I have a big back as well. However, if you came up to me and claimed I was this size because of “genetics”…and not because I busted my ass for the last 14 years, you would be dead wrong.

Madtitan on this board went off on someone for that once. They tried to claim he only looked the way he did because of genetics…as if eating those 6 meals a day and training for several hours a week isn’t why.

Genetics may determine just how big someone can get, but that has jack shit to do with most people unless they are on stage next to him.

Blaming “genetics” alone implies that you can not improve drastically unless you were born with freak genetics.

The OP didn’t even fucking ask about genetics limits.

Im gonna clear this up real quick cuz you obviuosly dont get it.Lets say one guy has a 29" waist and one guy has a 34" waist and thats just how they are but they train back the same and acording to the tape they are the same size.On stage the guy with the smaller waist because of genetics is gonna look bigger and score better.Thats genetics!!

Uh, no shit! No one was arguing otherwise and the OP isn’t even talking about that so what relevance does your revelation have here? You are explaining “genetic bone structure” to someone who was actually trained in genetics. Gee, thanks.

That doesn’t mean that even in your example that the guy with the bigger waist can’t make his lats even bigger…which is what bodybuilding is about, using whatever genetics you have to create the “illusion” of balance and symmetry.[/quote]

Prof x your funny and we have gotten off track.

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Thanks for the responses guy but let me clarify:

I’m under the impression that heavy back training ONLY adds muscle mass/width. If this is right then heavy back training for a guy with a small skeletal structure would add loads of muscle mass onto his small structure, creating the big look. Is my initial statement correct, though, or does heavy back training also significantly spreads out the rib cage/ skeletal structure to accommodate for the extra muscle, which is the more relevant reason for the wide back look?

Indeed Levrone’s delts are huge!

To anyone who mentioned clavicle length, that makes the most sense. I think Dwight’s figure is more based off of his large delts rather than his clavicle length (seems average sized to me).

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If you’re an amateur and want back width and thickness, do it the smart way-train your arse off. As simple as that. Genetics play a big role in this sport, some will go as far as be prepared to undergo this dislocation technique IN ADDITION to proper weight training. unsurprisingly it’s a matter of the pros and cons that this ‘technique’ offers. A professional bodybuilder which is endorsed by a big supplement company and which practically gets all his income from this sport, may decide that ‘it’s worth the risks associated’.

Everything is relative.

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[quote]kickureface wrote:
Thanks for the responses guy but let me clarify:

I’m under the impression that heavy back training ONLY adds muscle mass/width. [/quote]

If you’re in your twenties or younger, heavy training with weighted lat stretches WILL also widen your frame to accomodate the mass added.
I mean HEAVY…

Yeah, good luck with that.

BOTH.
In fact, there’s a higher chance that NEITHER of the two happens if you don;t have a reasonable structure to begin with.

Look, if you don;t have a wide structure to begin with, just do your best and add as much size as you can, but have no illusions - especially if training naturally.
If you’re young enough your frame MAY widen out very significantly (seen this in a guy almost 30 years old). Ive also seen a little monster (5’7" 206-8%) with NO back width whatsoever, immense thickness and development and prodiguous deltoids. Play the hand you’re dealt with…