jajaja It truly is sad how the masses can do stupid, ignorant, dumb fucking things. So many instances come to mind! The Crucifixion, anyone?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’ve been through this many times with the city boys on this site.[/quote]
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Grass fed cows put weight on really slow and because of the tiny amount of marbling, the taste is a LOT lower. Plus you would need to have acres of land for just a few cows, or even a one. Acres!
I love how people THINK things are so much simpler in their heads.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I would eat more beef if I could raise it myself , grass feed it[/quote]
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I’ve been through this many times with the city boys on this site.[/quote]
Oh the wise youth 
could you teach me more
Guys, I have a horrible story to tell, and it’s related to this thread. I went to buy something with my credit card, and the cashier asked me for MY PAPERS ! I was profiled, I felt like it was Nazi Germany. He had the nerve to ask me for my drivers license to verify me, and prevent such indignity.
read and understand the post I provided, dummy.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Grass fed cows put weight on really slow and because of the tiny amount of marbling, the taste is a LOT lower. Plus you would need to have acres of land for just a few cows, or even a one. Acres!
I love how people THINK things are so much simpler in their heads.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I would eat more beef if I could raise it myself , grass feed it[/quote]
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I’ve been through this many times with the city boys on this site.[/quote]
Oh the wise youth could you teach me more :)[/quote]
Kneedragger, I’m not talking about farm subsidies; I’m talking about how antebellum anti-abolitionists used to make the same argument you are: i.e., that we need the subsidy or the industry is going to collapse. Just change “migrant workers” to “slaves”; “milk industry” to “cotton and tobacco”, etc.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Sorry katzenjammer, I am studying abroad in Chile right now and English is rare and I was a little long in the tooth. I will try to be better : )
Yes there are subsides in Agriculture, yet I’m pretty sure there are no large ones in the dairy industry. IMO the distributors, other than Dairygold are making the money. Dairygold buys the milk from most of the farms I know of. California on the other hand is different. We all know that! ; ) The milk you buy in the store is NOT local, in case you didn’t know. A disposable material spoils after a short period and then ALL the money is lost down a drain. And you read about the balance of feed/profit. Let me know which area you need to be clarified on : )
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Look to history and the price of milk. An entire semester can be spent discussing the workings of how the industry changes when just one area of expense climbs (they offer classes at any Ag University, go to the professor and ask him to audit the class, off the books). Sorry but I do not have the time to talk about the details. I spend too much time here already and opening that jar would be too massive of a dedication IMO ; )
The short version, someone is making money and it sure as fuck is NOT the farmer. It is NOT the store either. In southern ID a large dairy is a multimillion dollar enterprise. People in general look at milk as an unnecessary commodity. They will STOP drinking the stuff if the price climbs. They did in the past! Saying simple things like ‘charge more for the milk’ is NOT how it works. So what happens to the product when people stop consuming said dairy and the product spoils on the shelf. A spoiled gallon of milk has to be dumped down a drain. Do you like dumping a gallon of milk you paid for? Imagine when you have a few million gallons of milk that goes ‘down the drain’. The price would have to go down to bring profits to a sustainable level, so consumption will go back up.
The cows do an amazing thing of eating grass and produce an awesome, delicious, healthy fluid. How many people say ‘humans are not designed to consume milk’? They have no idea what kind of ignorance they spread.
It is sad, people will believe some kid standing next to a keg over a generally accepted thought/idea. All because they bonded over a beer/pipe. Do not tell me kids never talk about the world as they stand next to a keg or share a bowl. Fuck, people still think Obama is a
good president!! The ignorance is tied to the lazy people of America and that number is growing IMO. [/quote]
How does this^ address my comment??
Kneedragger, you claim not to have much time - good; so please be brief, stop with interminablly wandering breeziness, and succintly state your case.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
So dairy farmers will have to pay more for labor; and, the price of milk will go up.
To argue that the industry needs to be “subsidized” by nearly free labor is exactly what pro-slavery voices were arguing in 19th Cent. America.
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Texas, and Utah are next up to add this law to their state, with Ohio, Maryland, and Oklahoma looking into it.
I am NOT talking about any kind of collapse, I try to not even get into futures, otherwise I would make a ton of money in the dairy! I am simply saying a farmer does not have a ton of wiggle room when it comes to selling his milk/controlling expenses.
A local farmer has to do things to stay afloat and still HUGE numbers of dairies close. Tiny herds of 100 cows or smaller are history, I do not even know a single ONE anymore. Ten years ago they were common in SW Idaho.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
Kneedragger, I’m not talking about farm subsidies; I’m talking about how antebellum anti-abolitionists used to make the same argument you are: i.e., that we need the subsidy or the industry is going to collapse. Just change “migrant workers” to “slaves”; “milk industry” to “cotton and tobacco”, etc.
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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Guys, I have a horrible story to tell, and it’s related to this thread. I went to buy something with my credit card, and the cashier asked me for MY PAPERS ! I was profiled, I felt like it was Nazi Germany. He had the nerve to ask me for my drivers license to verify me, and prevent such indignity. [/quote]
That is so racist of the cashier. Must be a Tea Bagger.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
No, I am comparing the Germans blaming their problems on the Jews to the Americans blaming their problems on the Mexicans. And I’m sorry if you’ve got the GOP’s balls covering up your eyes, but that’s certainly how it looks from my end.
In this country, the officers do not have the right to randomly stop you and ask if you’re a citizen, and if you don’t have the right paperwork, they cart your ass off.
What’s going to happen for all of the Mexicans who are actually citizens who don’t feel like carrying their fucking birth certificate on them all the time? So because they look dark, they’re going to have to continually prove that they were born here? Sounds good. Not like fucking profiling one bit.
And if you fools don’t think that LEOs are going to use this to harass the living fuck out of whomever they don’t like, you’re completely ignorant.
And what are you people doing? Blaming all the healthcare problems on the Mexicans, when it’s far more complicated than that. You’re simplifying a massively complex issue so you can blame the illegals… familiar? Not at all.
Get your fucking boots together folks, I think the Tea Party rallies are gonna be using some fun marching techniques. [/quote]
Just as an exercise, I’d like to ask a question. Would you turn a blind eye to the entire population of Mexico crossing our border? For that matter, the enitre population of would-be illegal immigrants around the world.
At what point do you put on YOUR jack boots and demand that the sovereignty of your nation be respected? What is the cut off point for you? What would motivate you to demand–not ask, but demand–that actual citizens be protected from the cost and crime of illegal aliens? When do you start goosestepping, saying enough is enough?
I’m also curious what measures you do support to to presuade these people to stay home, or to leave if already here? Was it ever an issue for you? Have you ever demanded the Federal government handle the problem? Are these states being swamped by illegal immigration supposed to wait until maybe, finally, you and the federal government give a damn about the issue? [/quote]
I’m genuinely curious about FI’s answer to these questions…[/quote]
It is going to take an illegal murdering someone he loves, shooting a police officer in the face. This happens all the time here near the border. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California. It is the small minority of illegals coming here that want a better life.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
No, I am comparing the Germans blaming their problems on the Jews to the Americans blaming their problems on the Mexicans. And I’m sorry if you’ve got the GOP’s balls covering up your eyes, but that’s certainly how it looks from my end.
In this country, the officers do not have the right to randomly stop you and ask if you’re a citizen, and if you don’t have the right paperwork, they cart your ass off.
What’s going to happen for all of the Mexicans who are actually citizens who don’t feel like carrying their fucking birth certificate on them all the time? So because they look dark, they’re going to have to continually prove that they were born here? Sounds good. Not like fucking profiling one bit.
And if you fools don’t think that LEOs are going to use this to harass the living fuck out of whomever they don’t like, you’re completely ignorant.
And what are you people doing? Blaming all the healthcare problems on the Mexicans, when it’s far more complicated than that. You’re simplifying a massively complex issue so you can blame the illegals… familiar? Not at all.
Get your fucking boots together folks, I think the Tea Party rallies are gonna be using some fun marching techniques. [/quote]
Just as an exercise, I’d like to ask a question. Would you turn a blind eye to the entire population of Mexico crossing our border? For that matter, the enitre population of would-be illegal immigrants around the world.
At what point do you put on YOUR jack boots and demand that the sovereignty of your nation be respected? What is the cut off point for you? What would motivate you to demand–not ask, but demand–that actual citizens be protected from the cost and crime of illegal aliens? When do you start goosestepping, saying enough is enough?
I’m also curious what measures you do support to to presuade these people to stay home, or to leave if already here? Was it ever an issue for you? Have you ever demanded the Federal government handle the problem? Are these states being swamped by illegal immigration supposed to wait until maybe, finally, you and the federal government give a damn about the issue? [/quote]
I’m genuinely curious about FI’s answer to these questions…[/quote]
It is going to take an illegal murdering someone he loves, shooting a police officer in the face. This happens all the time here near the border. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California. It is the small minority of illegals coming here that want a better life.[/quote]
We have had many illegal immigrants murder people in Houston. A couple of them even have murdered cops.
I love the bill.
First post in this “discussion” thread… wut wut.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
FTR, here is the total extent of what the federal Constitution says about immigration:
The Congress shall have Power To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.
It’s obvious that this clause authorizes Congress to establish the procedure(s) whereby a foreigner becomes a naturalized citizen of the U.S.
Arizona’s law does not even come close to establishing a system whereby a foreigner becomes a citizen. So I don’t give a flying shit whether Karl Rove or Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio (all conservatives) or any half wit liberal for that matter thinks it’s unconstitutional when a basic simple reading of the Constitution says otherwise.[/quote]
I can’t believe it we agree, I will go see my shrink later but it still bogles my mind that you call Bush a conserative
[quote]JGerman wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
No, I am comparing the Germans blaming their problems on the Jews to the Americans blaming their problems on the Mexicans. And I’m sorry if you’ve got the GOP’s balls covering up your eyes, but that’s certainly how it looks from my end.
In this country, the officers do not have the right to randomly stop you and ask if you’re a citizen, and if you don’t have the right paperwork, they cart your ass off.
What’s going to happen for all of the Mexicans who are actually citizens who don’t feel like carrying their fucking birth certificate on them all the time? So because they look dark, they’re going to have to continually prove that they were born here? Sounds good. Not like fucking profiling one bit.
And if you fools don’t think that LEOs are going to use this to harass the living fuck out of whomever they don’t like, you’re completely ignorant.
And what are you people doing? Blaming all the healthcare problems on the Mexicans, when it’s far more complicated than that. You’re simplifying a massively complex issue so you can blame the illegals… familiar? Not at all.
Get your fucking boots together folks, I think the Tea Party rallies are gonna be using some fun marching techniques. [/quote]
Just as an exercise, I’d like to ask a question. Would you turn a blind eye to the entire population of Mexico crossing our border? For that matter, the enitre population of would-be illegal immigrants around the world.
At what point do you put on YOUR jack boots and demand that the sovereignty of your nation be respected? What is the cut off point for you? What would motivate you to demand–not ask, but demand–that actual citizens be protected from the cost and crime of illegal aliens? When do you start goosestepping, saying enough is enough?
I’m also curious what measures you do support to to presuade these people to stay home, or to leave if already here? Was it ever an issue for you? Have you ever demanded the Federal government handle the problem? Are these states being swamped by illegal immigration supposed to wait until maybe, finally, you and the federal government give a damn about the issue? [/quote]
I’m genuinely curious about FI’s answer to these questions…[/quote]
It is going to take an illegal murdering someone he loves, shooting a police officer in the face. This happens all the time here near the border. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California. It is the small minority of illegals coming here that want a better life.[/quote]
We have had many illegal immigrants murder people in Houston. A couple of them even have murdered cops.
I love the bill.
First post in this “discussion” thread… wut wut. [/quote]
Welcome to PWI, it is addictive. Houston is a Sactuary City brought about by the policies of Bill White. More illegals came to Houston during his term then any other Mayor in Houston history. Please tell all your friends to vote against Bill White for Governor. Hopefully our State Representatives will pass a law similar to Arizona’s.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
It is going to take an illegal murdering someone he loves, shooting a police officer in the face. This happens all the time here near the border. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California.
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Illegals have killed people here, and they’ve shot cops. It happens, but it doesn’t happen because they’re illegal, it happens because they’re hardened criminals.
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It is the small minority of illegals coming here that want a better life.[/quote]
That’s foolish. What is it then? They just like the scenic walk?[/quote]
Their oppressive Government. We are the only country in the World that allows illegals to enter their country, live off the government, and collect property. The people coming over are the criminals.
The drug wars are spilling over into our country. You do not see it as much as we do down here. It is on the news every night. 60% of Americans support the AZ bill. Down South here it is 80% and up north it is 50%.
You guys do not see the same shit we see down here. It is part of our day. We drive on crowded streets with people that have no insurance. We might have a perfect time to round up a bunch of them, and that is this Saturday. May Day.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Just as an exercise, I’d like to ask a question. Would you turn a blind eye to the entire population of Mexico crossing our border? For that matter, the enitre population of would-be illegal immigrants around the world.
At what point do you put on YOUR jack boots and demand that the sovereignty of your nation be respected? What is the cut off point for you? What would motivate you to demand–not ask, but demand–that actual citizens be protected from the cost and crime of illegal aliens? When do you start goosestepping, saying enough is enough?
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Being protected from the “cost and crime” is not the same as not letting immigrants into the country. And if they all came here legally, I would not care how many of them came over here, of any race or color.
I am not for granting amnesty to illegal aliens because I think what they did is good- I’m for giving amnesty because I think there’s so damned many of them that there’s no other way to do it. You’re not going to round up the millions of Mexicans and deport them- so they’re here. The question is what to do- and in my eyes, it’s legalize them and tax the shit out of them, and make the money back.
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I’m also curious what measures you do support to to presuade these people to stay home, or to leave if already here? Was it ever an issue for you? Have you ever demanded the Federal government handle the problem? Are these states being swamped by illegal immigration supposed to wait until maybe, finally, you and the federal government give a damn about the issue? [/quote]
Illegal immigration is not much of a political issue here just yet. There are many towns full of illegals, everyone knows it, but many of them turn a blind eye to it.
And you know as well as I do that nothing in the world is going to “persuade these people” to stay home, or leave, so I don’t know why you’re entertaining that line of thinking. The only way to do that would be to literally have a shoot on site policy (which is evil) or a jail-immediately policy (where they don’t have the room.)
Do I know what the answer is? No. Is it getsapo-like countermeasures or a ridiculously big wall? No. [/quote]
Bullshit.
Giving amnesty does nothing to address the illegal alien issue, because it all starts and ends with stopping them from getting here. There would be another wave of illegal aliens, who in time will cry and want amnesty, just like this group now.
Yes you can mass deport, Eisenhower did it with Operation Wetback, and could be done again. You basically make it miserable for illegal aliens to be here. You make them “show papers” when renting a home, putting their kid in school, getting a job, getting government benefits, you deport them from ER’s, etc.
Walls work, which is why AZ is in the trouble it’s in. You don’t know this from being way over where you are, but the main reason AZ is in so much trouble is because Texas and California finished their walls.
So they funnel into the Arizona corridor, you have about 50% of all the illegals coming through that area. People hated the Berlin wall because it worked. You make it triple stacked with concertina wire and electrify it.
Irish, the when you add up all the costs of illegals, it’s 13 billion per year here in California. Our state deficit is 20 billion, you do the math. Do you still think it’s worth it?
These are people who contribute dick to the economy. If you legalize them, they are eligible for government assistance, which is WAY more than they contribute. I heard an estimate of the net cost being 90 billion per year.
When people think they are saving on their costs by hiring illegals, it’s not the case, because you pay in the long run in the manner of education for their kids, incarceration, health care, and all that comes with them being here.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The question is what to do- and in my eyes, it’s legalize them and tax the shit out of them, and make the money back.
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Nice in theory, but it would never happen. They would invariably fall into the category of people who are “low income” and therefore pay NO income tax. You would have the same burden of millions of “takers” in the system, but you will have rewarded their illegal actions. Now, if you want to eliminate progressive taxation and actually tax everyone evenly, we can talk.
Irish, these are people making maybe 15-20k per year, they don’t qualify to pay much in taxes, but they qualify for government subsidies, do you wonder how that will turn out ?
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Irish, these are people making maybe 15-20k per year, they don’t qualify to pay much in taxes, but they qualify for government subsidies, do you wonder how that will turn out ?[/quote]
Exactly as HG and Max have pointed out. You’d lose even more money making them legal. Most of these folks are tax consumers, not producers. That is, there would be additional services they’d instantly qualify for.
Besides, if you’ve–poof!–instantly made them citizens, how can you legally tax them any differently than natives at that income bracket? The courts would nip that in the bud. And, let’s not forget you’d have provided a recent incentive for an even bigger wave off illegals to head on over.