AZ Immigration Law Signed

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

No, I am comparing the Germans blaming their problems on the Jews to the Americans blaming their problems on the Mexicans. And I’m sorry if you’ve got the GOP’s balls covering up your eyes, but that’s certainly how it looks from my end.

In this country, the officers do not have the right to randomly stop you and ask if you’re a citizen, and if you don’t have the right paperwork, they cart your ass off. What’s going to happen for all of the Mexicans who are actually citizens who don’t feel like carrying their fucking birth certificate on them all the time? So because they look dark, they’re going to have to continually prove that they were born here? Sounds good. Not like fucking profiling one bit.

And if you fools don’t think that LEOs are going to use this to harass the living fuck out of whomever they don’t like, you’re completely ignorant.

And what are you people doing? Blaming all the healthcare problems on the Mexicans, when it’s far more complicated than that. You’re simplifying a massively complex issue so you can blame the illegals… familiar? Not at all.

Get your fucking boots together folks, I think the Tea Party rallies are gonna be using some fun marching techniques. [/quote]

Just as an exercise, I’d like to ask a question. Would you turn a blind eye to the entire population of Mexico crossing our border? For that matter, the enitre population of would-be illegal immigrants around the world. At what point do you put on YOUR jack boots and demand that the sovereignty of your nation be respected? What is the cut off point for you? What would motivate you to demand–not ask, but demand–that actual citizens be protected from the cost and crime of illegal aliens? When do you start goosestepping, saying enough is enough?

I’m also curious what measures you do support to to presuade these people to stay home, or to leave if already here? Was it ever an issue for you? Have you ever demanded the Federal government handle the problem? Are these states being swamped by illegal immigration supposed to wait until maybe, finally, you and the federal government give a damn about the issue? AZ has done what AZ needed to do.

The federal government will hopefully keep their nose out of it. Can anyone here imagine the message that will be sent if it does intervene succesfully? A federal government that’s done next to nothing, dictating that a state can not act? Our government has abdicated one of the few powers that it was actually granted. Meanwhile, as has been pointed out, it wants to demand that actual citizens must purchase a Healthcare plan. It has failed what duties it was granted, and has claimed powers it was not granted. Good luck Arizona.

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Fighting Irish your pretty dumb.
This is a good bill and consider I am an anchor baby. Its about time this illegals got stopped ransacking the system. My folks tell me that back in the early 80’s they used to do random checkpoints by the cops and INS to check for citizenship. Back in the day they where hardly any illegals around as well and when my parents saw one of there fellow spanish speaking brothers it was a joy to talk to one.
Now we have this low life ones who just come over to leach of the system. I know plenty of folks who are illegal and get foodstamps with medicare along with section 8 housing. But yet they have there damn brand new truck with 22’s. Riding along and talking shit that there fucking state in Mexico is #1.
Maybe Im just ranting but Hispanics and Blacks are becoming tools for the democrat system. There winning our votes for a damn handout. Just enough to make it by.

Also let it be known that Mexico has some of the strictest immigration laws out there a whole lot stricter than us. They only enforce it on the southern side of there border. Guess why?

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Irish, did you even read the law ? Rulings from 2005 have upheld much of what is in this law. the 1996 Immigration law that Clinton signed allows local law enforcement to work with feds and immigration laws. They have been investigating Sheriff Joe for 18 months, haven’t found a thing that would stick against him in court. This thing has been crafted very carefully, expecting the legal challenges, and I think it will stick. As long as they enact it properly and dont grab every Latino looking person, I think it will be ok.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Today in Los Angeles, the city council was swindled by our public energy utility (the dept of water and power), into rate hikes in energy costs by as much as 25%, yet found the time to criticize this immigration law. [/quote]

LADWP…one of my good customers…please support the rate hike. It keeps me fed! JK…

However with the loss of the housing market, lower property tax rolls, and mandated water conservation and low water tables, they have to do this to stay open to pump water to your home.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

No, I am comparing the Germans blaming their problems on the Jews to the Americans blaming their problems on the Mexicans. [/quote]

So Obama is a racist nazi too then, because he blames all his problems on some x pres white dude.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

No, I am comparing the Germans blaming their problems on the Jews to the Americans blaming their problems on the Mexicans. And I’m sorry if you’ve got the GOP’s balls covering up your eyes, but that’s certainly how it looks from my end.

In this country, the officers do not have the right to randomly stop you and ask if you’re a citizen, and if you don’t have the right paperwork, they cart your ass off…[/quote]

Let me put this in language I know you use and approve of - Irish, you are a stupid, cocksucking motherfucker for believing this law was written to allow “random stops” for no reason other than color of skin. Do your homework before you bluster on to this thread full of shit stained ignorance, you dumbass Yankee bastard.[/quote]

No dipshit, my point is that regardless of what the law was written for, that’s what it will be used for.

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Don’t worry Irish, you Jersey folk are so fucking far from the border, you might as well be in another universe. Like you know what kind problem there is near the border. Shit, I bet we have more illegals in my city than in your whole fucking state.

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[quote]katzenjammer wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Why aren’t the same people who are crying about “carrying papers” also crying about being forced to have health care insurance ? [/quote]

While we agree on immigration , I can tell you the people will not cry about health coverage, I think the only people crying about the health bill are the ones that can not percieve themselves of losing their coverage[/quote]

Why is it so hard for liberals to imagine that some people are actually driven by principles? [/quote]

what makes you think that I lack principals ?

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

With all due respect, you can suck a fat dick. I normally don’t like to go there, but you are certainly gonna wear that one.

I had family who took care of and fed American soldiers who fought Nazis. Talk to someone who has dealt with a foreign army invading with tanks, planes, and soldiers.

You are trying to compare the destruction of entire countries and the genocide of Jews to deporting illegal aliens? Dude w.t.f. ? These people are being deported, not fucking gassed.

Honest to God, you think Tea Party people are fanning the flames about health care ? Tell me one country, other than the US, who doesn’t deport those present illegally ? I cannot think of one.
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No, I am comparing the Germans blaming their problems on the Jews to the Americans blaming their problems on the Mexicans. And I’m sorry if you’ve got the GOP’s balls covering up your eyes, but that’s certainly how it looks from my end.

In this country, the officers do not have the right to randomly stop you and ask if you’re a citizen, and if you don’t have the right paperwork, they cart your ass off. What’s going to happen for all of the Mexicans who are actually citizens who don’t feel like carrying their fucking birth certificate on them all the time? So because they look dark, they’re going to have to continually prove that they were born here? Sounds good. Not like fucking profiling one bit.

And if you fools don’t think that LEOs are going to use this to harass the living fuck out of whomever they don’t like, you’re completely ignorant.

And what are you people doing? Blaming all the healthcare problems on the Mexicans, when it’s far more complicated than that. You’re simplifying a massively complex issue so you can blame the illegals… familiar? Not at all.

Get your fucking boots together folks, I think the Tea Party rallies are gonna be using some fun marching techniques. [/quote]

what would you sugest on the best way to deal with illegal immigration?

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Don’t worry Irish, you Jersey folk are so fucking far from the border, you might as well be in another universe. Like you know what kind problem there is near the border. Shit, I bet we have more illegals in my city than in your whole fucking state. [/quote]

hahahah. You don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. I live in one of the most populated sections of the country, and there are a shitload of illegal immigrants in this area. A shitload.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Don’t worry Irish, you Jersey folk are so fucking far from the border, you might as well be in another universe. Like you know what kind problem there is near the border. Shit, I bet we have more illegals in my city than in your whole fucking state. [/quote]

hahahah. You don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. I live in one of the most populated sections of the country, and there are a shitload of illegal immigrants in this area. A shitload.[/quote]

Are you fucking kidding me? Seriously, are you high on something? Come down to Los Angeles, and I will show you some real shit.

As far as Latino citizens, they can be run through the DMV database, the same way everyone does who gets pulled over.

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Irish,

I can see you are running out of metaphors, so put yourself to rest and READ THE BILL. What are you so worried about, your pale skinned ass is in New Jersey? You are far away from these white devil lands.

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Yea that’s what I thought you’d say.

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Shows how little you know and understand about the cows then. All cows have antibodies in their milk, namely immunoglobulins (abbreviated Ig) Actually ALL vertebrates have Ig. By no means are they bad, high levels are when the problems arise.

In the dairy industry they say, ‘you do not feed the cow, you feed just the bugs’. A cow gets nutrients from plants because of the bacteria. The bugs break down compounds like cellulose/hemicellulose.

The relationship is a symbiotic one because the cow provides the environment while the bugs produce by-products which the cow consumes for energy. Mammals do NOT produce the enzymes to digest the material. Ever notice the almost non existence of corn? Then in your excrement, whole kernels of corn? Ever wonder why?

Ranchers feed cattle high levels of gain/corn because the material is so nutrient dense. In fact, the animals prefer corn all day long, if they could they would eat it. The problem? The bug populations will become acidic and in turn kill the cow.

A dead cow provides NO profit. It is definitely a balance game. Give the cow enough nutrients to provide the maximum amount of milk, in turn driving profits up. Too much and she goes for dog food.

Can I speculate you believe r/BST to be bad, right?

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Problem is those cows are not eating grass, they are living in such filth that we have to dump huge amounts of antibiotics in them just so their milk is not laden with infection and I hear one of the biggest contaminants in milk is puss[/quote]

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So the meat in the store is ‘beef cattle’? Learn the truth there stud. Unless otherwise stated on the package, the meat is most likely from a dairy cow. And if you don’t drink milk you are missing out on an extremely protein dense food ; )

[quote]Vegita wrote:

I drink very little milk, Water plz. Now beef on the other hand. Screw dairy farmers, replace them all with cattle farmers and I’m sold. I’d allow more illegal mexicans to be in the country if it meant steaks were cheaper, this is the only way I think they would be worth it though.

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Sorry katzenjammer, I am studying abroad in Chile right now and English is rare and I was a little long in the tooth. I will try to be better : )

Yes there are subsides in Agriculture, yet I’m pretty sure there are no large ones in the dairy industry. IMO the distributors, other than Dairygold are making the money. Dairygold buys the milk from most of the farms I know of. California on the other hand is different. We all know that! ; ) The milk you buy in the store is NOT local, in case you didn’t know. A disposable material spoils after a short period and then ALL the money is lost down a drain. And you read about the balance of feed/profit. Let me know which area you need to be clarified on : )

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Look to history and the price of milk. An entire semester can be spent discussing the workings of how the industry changes when just one area of expense climbs (they offer classes at any Ag University, go to the professor and ask him to audit the class, off the books). Sorry but I do not have the time to talk about the details. I spend too much time here already and opening that jar would be too massive of a dedication IMO ; )

The short version, someone is making money and it sure as fuck is NOT the farmer. It is NOT the store either. In southern ID a large dairy is a multimillion dollar enterprise. People in general look at milk as an unnecessary commodity. They will STOP drinking the stuff if the price climbs. They did in the past! Saying simple things like ‘charge more for the milk’ is NOT how it works. So what happens to the product when people stop consuming said dairy and the product spoils on the shelf. A spoiled gallon of milk has to be dumped down a drain. Do you like dumping a gallon of milk you paid for? Imagine when you have a few million gallons of milk that goes ‘down the drain’. The price would have to go down to bring profits to a sustainable level, so consumption will go back up.

The cows do an amazing thing of eating grass and produce an awesome, delicious, healthy fluid. How many people say ‘humans are not designed to consume milk’? They have no idea what kind of ignorance they spread.

It is sad, people will believe some kid standing next to a keg over a generally accepted thought/idea. All because they bonded over a beer/pipe. Do not tell me kids never talk about the world as they stand next to a keg or share a bowl. Fuck, people still think Obama is a
good president!! The ignorance is tied to the lazy people of America and that number is growing IMO. [/quote]

How does this^ address my comment??

Kneedragger, you claim not to have much time - good; so please be brief, stop with interminablly wandering breeziness, and succintly state your case.

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:

So dairy farmers will have to pay more for labor; and, the price of milk will go up.

To argue that the industry needs to be “subsidized” by nearly free labor is exactly what pro-slavery voices were arguing in 19th Cent. America.
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Grass fed cows put weight on really slow and because of the tiny amount of marbling, the taste is a LOT lower. Plus you would need to have acres of land for just a few cows, or even a one. Acres!

I love how people THINK things are so much simpler in their heads.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I would eat more beef if I could raise it myself , grass feed it[/quote]