AZ Immigration Law Signed

JGerman · April 29, 2010, 5:22pm

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]JGerman wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

No, I am comparing the Germans blaming their problems on the Jews to the Americans blaming their problems on the Mexicans. And I’m sorry if you’ve got the GOP’s balls covering up your eyes, but that’s certainly how it looks from my end.

In this country, the officers do not have the right to randomly stop you and ask if you’re a citizen, and if you don’t have the right paperwork, they cart your ass off.

What’s going to happen for all of the Mexicans who are actually citizens who don’t feel like carrying their fucking birth certificate on them all the time? So because they look dark, they’re going to have to continually prove that they were born here? Sounds good. Not like fucking profiling one bit.

And if you fools don’t think that LEOs are going to use this to harass the living fuck out of whomever they don’t like, you’re completely ignorant.

And what are you people doing? Blaming all the healthcare problems on the Mexicans, when it’s far more complicated than that. You’re simplifying a massively complex issue so you can blame the illegals… familiar? Not at all.

Get your fucking boots together folks, I think the Tea Party rallies are gonna be using some fun marching techniques. [/quote]

Just as an exercise, I’d like to ask a question. Would you turn a blind eye to the entire population of Mexico crossing our border? For that matter, the enitre population of would-be illegal immigrants around the world.

At what point do you put on YOUR jack boots and demand that the sovereignty of your nation be respected? What is the cut off point for you? What would motivate you to demand–not ask, but demand–that actual citizens be protected from the cost and crime of illegal aliens? When do you start goosestepping, saying enough is enough?

I’m also curious what measures you do support to to presuade these people to stay home, or to leave if already here? Was it ever an issue for you? Have you ever demanded the Federal government handle the problem? Are these states being swamped by illegal immigration supposed to wait until maybe, finally, you and the federal government give a damn about the issue? [/quote]

I’m genuinely curious about FI’s answer to these questions…[/quote]

It is going to take an illegal murdering someone he loves, shooting a police officer in the face. This happens all the time here near the border. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California. It is the small minority of illegals coming here that want a better life.[/quote]

We have had many illegal immigrants murder people in Houston. A couple of them even have murdered cops.

I love the bill.

First post in this “discussion” thread… wut wut. [/quote]

Welcome to PWI, it is addictive. Houston is a Sactuary City brought about by the policies of Bill White. More illegals came to Houston during his term then any other Mayor in Houston history. Please tell all your friends to vote against Bill White for Governor. Hopefully our State Representatives will pass a law similar to Arizona’s.[/quote]

I don’t think Perry has much to worry about. White comes off as a real nice old man. Real nice people in general aren’t the best leaders.

We’ll see how much activity I spend here.

I have never been to this section except this morning to see what the folks were saying about AZ.

BBriere · April 29, 2010, 5:32pm

I agree with trying to stop the flow of illegal immigration. That’s why I think it should be easier for immigrants to attain legal status. According to this bill, there is no racial profiling. So I’m guessing my grandparents that immigrated from Quebec ILLEGALLY would be treated the same way on a traffic stop as my wife that immigrated from Mexico legally? Right.

Headhunter · April 29, 2010, 6:18pm

This idea would provide LOTS of employment and solve the problem: create a corps to round up the illegals. Then put the illegals on ships and give them a weapon when they debark off the coast of Iran or Somalia. “Here, welcome to your new home.” Get rid of the regimes there which are evil anyway.

If only…

MaximusB · April 29, 2010, 6:38pm

[quote]BBriere wrote:
I agree with trying to stop the flow of illegal immigration. That’s why I think it should be easier for immigrants to attain legal status. According to this bill, there is no racial profiling. So I’m guessing my grandparents that immigrated from Quebec ILLEGALLY would be treated the same way on a traffic stop as my wife that immigrated from Mexico legally? Right.[/quote]

What race is Quebecian? Are they light skinned, dark skinned? Your grandparents failure to provide accepted US government ID is what might land them in trouble, upon a lawful encounter with a cop. If they are illegal they would not have valid ID, no disrespect to your grandparents, but that’s the truth of the matter.

My cousin was deported about 10 yrs ago. He pushed a red light on a scooter, and was pulled over by a cop. Did he bitch and moan about being racially profiled with this olive skin?

Or was it that when the cop pulled him over for legal reasons, his visa was expired and was deported. Did he complain? No. Did he scream, OMG they hate Italians? He admitted he was lazy and didn’t renew his visa. He didn’t fight, march, protest, threaten boycott.

I swear all you ninnies with your bitching and moaning about the very same fucking laws that nearly all countries require, including laws passed here in 1940 Immigration Act…

Title 8 of the U.S. Code. Section 1304e requires that “every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him.” Those who fail to comply will be guilty of a misdemeanor and will be fined $100 and can be imprisoned up to 30 days.

This law has been present for 70 yrs, for all you crying babies whining about “carrying your papers.” Someone ought to bring a Costco pack of Kotex up in here.

Headhunter · April 29, 2010, 7:18pm

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
This idea would provide LOTS of employment and solve the problem: create a corps to round up the illegals. Then put the illegals on ships and give them a weapon when they debark off the coast of Iran or Somalia. “Here, welcome to your new home.” Get rid of the regimes there which are evil anyway.

If only…

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Ahhh ok. So Mr. Small Government is looking to create a massive state agency that would round up illegals and pay the agency’s workers with your tax money?

Think about what you post before you post it, lest you look like more of a hypocrite than we already know you are. [/quote]

But its a win-win. The salaries could be paid from the savings derived from not having police Iran or Somalia, and all the food stamps and benefits the illegals get. It’d be revenue-neutral at least.

BBriere · April 29, 2010, 7:39pm

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:
I agree with trying to stop the flow of illegal immigration. That’s why I think it should be easier for immigrants to attain legal status. According to this bill, there is no racial profiling. So I’m guessing my grandparents that immigrated from Quebec ILLEGALLY would be treated the same way on a traffic stop as my wife that immigrated from Mexico legally? Right.[/quote]

What race is Quebecian? Are they light skinned, dark skinned? Your grandparents failure to provide accepted US government ID is what might land them in trouble, upon a lawful encounter with a cop. If they are illegal they would not have valid ID, no disrespect to your grandparents, but that’s the truth of the matter.

My cousin was deported about 10 yrs ago. He pushed a red light on a scooter, and was pulled over by a cop. Did he bitch and moan about being racially profiled with this olive skin?

Or was it that when the cop pulled him over for legal reasons, his visa was expired and was deported. Did he complain? No. Did he scream, OMG they hate Italians? He admitted he was lazy and didn’t renew his visa. He didn’t fight, march, protest, threaten boycott.

I swear all you ninnies with your bitching and moaning about the very same fucking laws that nearly all countries require, including laws passed here in 1940 Immigration Act…

Title 8 of the U.S. Code. Section 1304e requires that “every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him.” Those who fail to comply will be guilty of a misdemeanor and will be fined $100 and can be imprisoned up to 30 days.

This law has been present for 70 yrs, for all you crying babies whining about “carrying your papers.” Someone ought to bring a Costco pack of Kotex up in here.
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Well, I’m not defending my grandparents. They did become legal citizens by serving in the Navy during WWII, but they came here illegally. Like most others, they were looking for a better opportunity than Quebec was offering.

Quebecian is not a race of people. Neither is Mexican or American. This becomes an argument akin to the screening after 9/11. Obviously people of Middle Eastern decent were targeted over others but anyone can be a terrorist.

As I said, I agree with trying to stop illegal immigration. I just really don’t believe we need new laws; we just need to enforce the old ones. I also believe more immigrants would be willing to become legal citizens if the process was made easier (and less expensive).

MaximusB · April 29, 2010, 7:51pm

Anyone can be a terrorist, but the likelyhood of them being Middle Eastern is much more likely. The Israelis have a great way to profile, other than racially. If the “rhetoric” is more factual than rhetorical, makes you wonder if it is rhetoric at all.

BBriere · April 29, 2010, 8:32pm

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Anyone can be a terrorist, but the likelyhood of them being Middle Eastern is much more likely. The Israelis have a great way to profile, other than racially. If the “rhetoric” is more factual than rhetorical, makes you wonder if it is rhetoric at all. [/quote]

Agreed. An Islamic extremist is most likely to be from the Middle East, but you can’t overlook guys like John Walker Lindh. I’m sure he would have become a terrorist given the opporunity. I would rather get on a plane thinking they had racially profiled an Arab than just thinking they let anybody and everybody on. Obviously most illegals are from Mexico, but there has to be a better way of finding them than just saying “he looks illegal.” Plus, if immigration laws were followed in the first place you wouldn’t have to. Even when I was in high school, my choir teacher had lived for years in America on an expired Visa before finally getting her citizenship.

brnforce · April 29, 2010, 8:37pm

[quote]BBriere wrote:
Well, I’m not defending my grandparents. They did become legal citizens by serving in the Navy during WWII, but they came here illegally. Like most others, they were looking for a better opportunity than Quebec was offering.

Quebecian is not a race of people. Neither is Mexican or American. This becomes an argument akin to the screening after 9/11. Obviously people of Middle Eastern decent were targeted over others but anyone can be a terrorist.

As I said, I agree with trying to stop illegal immigration. I just really don’t believe we need new laws; we just need to enforce the old ones. I also believe more immigrants would be willing to become legal citizens if the process was made easier (and less expensive).[/quote]

I’m always surprised when I see legal immigrants protesting laws like this. The reason that it is so difficult to immigrate into this country is partly because of the massive illegal immigration problem. If we didn’t have to worry about people immigrating illegally, it would be MUCH cheaper/easier/quicker to immigrate into this country. If anything, legal immigrants should be the ones proposing bills like this.

John_S1 · April 29, 2010, 8:39pm

[quote]BBriere wrote:

Well, I’m not defending my grandparents. They did become legal citizens by serving in the Navy during WWII, but they came here illegally. Like most others, they were looking for a better opportunity than Quebec was offering.

Quebecian is not a race of people. Neither is Mexican or American. This becomes an argument akin to the screening after 9/11. Obviously people of Middle Eastern decent were targeted over others but anyone can be a terrorist.

As I said, I agree with trying to stop illegal immigration. I just really don’t believe we need new laws; we just need to enforce the old ones. I also believe more immigrants would be willing to become legal citizens if the process was made easier (and less expensive).[/quote]

This doesn’t add new laws this is just enforcing older laws. All this does is allow them to do what the feds were not doing.

katzenjammer · April 30, 2010, 1:42am

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:
I agree with trying to stop the flow of illegal immigration. That’s why I think it should be easier for immigrants to attain legal status. According to this bill, there is no racial profiling. So I’m guessing my grandparents that immigrated from Quebec ILLEGALLY would be treated the same way on a traffic stop as my wife that immigrated from Mexico legally? Right.[/quote]

That is my worry. I was going to say that before… it is a complicated process to become legal, and it should be made easier. [/quote]

Not sure exactly what you’re refering to, but all-in-all, Americas immigration and naturalization policies seem MUCH less complicated (or at least strict) than Japan’s.[/quote]

And most of the world actually.

Charlemagne · April 30, 2010, 1:42am

Believe me. This whole immigration thing is going to work itself out in the end. The crash of our economic system is coming. The Greatest Depression is coming. Hyperinflation and mass unemployment is coming. Massive waves of crime is coming (even more so). Food shortages are coming.

People are tolerant when times are good, remember the last mass demonstration of 2006 by illegals, not many people cared. Add to that the housing bubble and cheap labor, everybody seemed happy. Remember that old line “They do the jobs Americans don’t want to do”.

People are less tolerant when times are not so good, like today many states are enacting laws and doing the Federal Governments job regarding immigration. Notice the anti-immigration movement is gaining momentum as times become increasingly lean. Americans are willing, more than ever to take “low-skilled” jobs that only illegals would do.

And people in this country will be downright hostile and violent towards immigrants when nobody has anything. If the economy takes a complete shit, and at this point it is a question of when and not if, you are going to see anti-illegal sentiment and in most cases anti-immigration sentiments rise to levels not seen in this country since the civil war.

Do you really think that people in this country are going to be tolerant towards illegals and give them all sorts of handouts when they can’t even feed their own families or themselves? There is going to be a major backlash.

All of you who support illegals coming into this country or giving them amnesty, I am willing to bet you will change your tune when your dollars are worthless, you are scratching a living, and you barely have enough to eat.

Brother_Chris · April 30, 2010, 3:35am

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

With all due respect, you can suck a fat dick. I normally don’t like to go there, but you are certainly gonna wear that one.

I had family who took care of and fed American soldiers who fought Nazis. Talk to someone who has dealt with a foreign army invading with tanks, planes, and soldiers.

You are trying to compare the destruction of entire countries and the genocide of Jews to deporting illegal aliens? Dude w.t.f. ? These people are being deported, not fucking gassed.

Honest to God, you think Tea Party people are fanning the flames about health care ? Tell me one country, other than the US, who doesn’t deport those present illegally ? I cannot think of one.
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No, I am comparing the Germans blaming their problems on the Jews to the Americans blaming their problems on the Mexicans. And I’m sorry if you’ve got the GOP’s balls covering up your eyes, but that’s certainly how it looks from my end.

In this country, the officers do not have the right to randomly stop you and ask if you’re a citizen, and if you don’t have the right paperwork, they cart your ass off. What’s going to happen for all of the Mexicans who are actually citizens who don’t feel like carrying their fucking birth certificate on them all the time? So because they look dark, they’re going to have to continually prove that they were born here? Sounds good. Not like fucking profiling one bit.

And if you fools don’t think that LEOs are going to use this to harass the living fuck out of whomever they don’t like, you’re completely ignorant.

And what are you people doing? Blaming all the healthcare problems on the Mexicans, when it’s far more complicated than that. You’re simplifying a massively complex issue so you can blame the illegals… familiar? Not at all.

Get your fucking boots together folks, I think the Tea Party rallies are gonna be using some fun marching techniques. [/quote]

what would you sugest on the best way to deal with illegal immigration?[/quote]

Get rid of the welfare programs and open up the border. Anyone that can make it hear working will stay, whoever can’t will leave.

Sloth · April 30, 2010, 5:14am

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

Get rid of the welfare programs and open up the border. Anyone that can make it hear working will stay, whoever can’t will leave.[/quote]

You open up the border and you’d just get MORE welfare programs. Poverty stricken border runners are going to vote for which political platform?

PB_Andy · April 30, 2010, 7:51am

Arizona police officer sues over immigration law

pittbulll · April 30, 2010, 2:59pm