[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I see this and the legalization of Marijuana in Cali, forcing the Feds. to do something that has been comming for a long time [/quote]
Unfortuneately, the only downside I can see is that CA will now get overrun even worse, until we have finally had enough BS to create ourt own laws for enforcement, but our Congressional reps are . [/quote]
Well we will have to see what happens this november
Funny how he main stream media has covered both the Tea Party movement and the protests of this new immigration law. You have MSM calling Tea Party people racists, violent, with nothing but rich angry white people. Then you have people protesting in Arizona, ,mainly minority groups, who are throwing water bottles, vandalizing buildings, and making racial slurs referencing the Nazis. Someone smeared a swastika out of beans on the capitol building in Arizona, but no one is calling them racists. Why ?
Look to history and the price of milk. An entire semester can be spent discussing the workings of how the industry changes when just one area of expense climbs (they offer classes at any Ag University, go to the professor and ask him to audit the class, off the books). Sorry but I do not have the time to talk about the details. I spend too much time here already and opening that jar would be too massive of a dedication IMO ; )
The short version, someone is making money and it sure as fuck is NOT the farmer. It is NOT the store either. In southern ID a large dairy is a multimillion dollar enterprise. People in general look at milk as an unnecessary commodity. They will STOP drinking the stuff if the price climbs. They did in the past! Saying simple things like ‘charge more for the milk’ is NOT how it works. So what happens to the product when people stop consuming said dairy and the product spoils on the shelf. A spoiled gallon of milk has to be dumped down a drain. Do you like dumping a gallon of milk you paid for? Imagine when you have a few million gallons of milk that goes ‘down the drain’. The price would have to go down to bring profits to a sustainable level, so consumption will go back up.
The cows do an amazing thing of eating grass and produce an awesome, delicious, healthy fluid. How many people say ‘humans are not designed to consume milk’? They have no idea what kind of ignorance they spread.
It is sad, people will believe some kid standing next to a keg over a generally accepted thought/idea. All because they bonded over a beer/pipe. Do not tell me kids never talk about the world as they stand next to a keg or share a bowl. Fuck, people still think Obama is a good president!! The ignorance is tied to the lazy people of America and that number is growing IMO.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
So dairy farmers will have to pay more for labor; and, the price of milk will go up.
To argue that the industry needs to be “subsidized” by nearly free labor is exactly what pro-slavery voices were arguing in 19th Cent. America.
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I am not talking about ONLY the dairy industry. How about industrial sandblasting? The work is rather difficult and like I mentioned before, it defines monotony and tediousness. The work is something people canâ??t do because you can not let your mind wander because you have to clean the steel. Up and down ~8â??, then moving to the side after every pass. Imagine how your mind will wander, up and down, up and down, up and down. Nothing more. When you are not following the pattern, money is wasted because of your time, sand and diesel running the compressor. That doesnâ??t even factor the wear of equipment. Plus these are jobs I have done.
How about welding sewer pipes, as they are full and cannot be emptied because they are in a city with any decent sized population? Imagine the sewage coming out of New York! The gray water in the septic system here in Santiago makes most people want to gag as they walk to the bus/metro station.
Imagine the total number of jobs! I just listed a fraction. Isnâ??t there a show on cable about dangerous jobs or something? I donâ??t know because I donâ??t watch TV ; ) Oh yeah that brings up a really good point, why is the cable industry so large if people work so hard? Can you watch TV as you spend the day doing something that demands your attention? I can NOT : )
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Also I will point out that Dairy is being automated as we speak.
http://www.dairyextension.com.au/edit/Conference/AUTOMATED%20DAIRY%20FARMING.PDF
Cheap labor is almost always done away with by technology, which is what americans are good at, so in say another 10 or 20 years, Most of the menial tasks done by illegals on a farm, are going to be done by a machine, and the farms will revert back to just a small family operating it on thier own. This then of course creates a lot of illegals whith no work to do and thats when the crime will really rise.
V[/quote]
pat, I never said the jobs do not get done by people. You should go to southern Idaho, now the fourth highest density of dairies in the country and walk around the facilities. Look at the people doing the tasks. Want to guess which nationality you see? I am not saying it’s necessarily correct and the right thing for the industry, yet look at the evidence. There is no speculation involved. The Spanish language is dominant, at 9 out of 10 dairies.
I have done a few shitty jobs in my life. They were jobs that were not something I wanted to tell people. ‘Yeah I pump human shit on Wednesdays’. I had to swallow my pride every day of pumping shitters. Was it horrible? In reality, it was pretty fucking easy. That was the year I was into bb with serious dedication. It worked for me because I would bring massive amounts of food for the day and drive around, for an entire day. There was a kid who was hired and him being the low man on the totem pole, his job fell to sucking up shit. He quit a short time later. Some people believe they are above medial tasks. The numbers IMHO are climbing because kids in general don’t have to work.
How many kids receive an allowance for taking care of themselves and are asked to do simple tasks. Yes I can see it playing a role in money management, yet there are a wide range of choices in this world. IMHO many kids do NOT want to work because they never have before and they might be bored if they helped clean the house where they live.
[quote]pat wrote:
I wholly reject the notion that the Mexicans are doing the jobs Americans won’t do…That hubris and bullshit. I have done some of the dag-nastiest work a person can do in my life time. If circumstances dictate I would do them again and be thankful for it. Well, not the cleaning of diarrhea, can’t say I am ever thankful to do that…But I would do it.
The whole problem is that these people are hopping the fence to do labor cheaper than the law permits if that goes away, there will be no need to hire them.
Here’s the problem with amnesty. It makes the Mexicans labor no cheaper than anybody else, so they won’t be hired. So what happens to these folks? They go on welfare. Which is vastly superior to what they have at home. So we end up with millions of wards of state.
Two words: FUCK THAT!
I support harsh penalties for people who hire illegals and firm but merciful border security. We can provide them means to immigrate from the comfort of their own country.[/quote]
The cows do an amazing thing of eating grass and produce an awesome, delicious, healthy fluid. How many people say ‘humans are not designed to consume milk’? They have no idea what kind of ignorance they spread. [/quote]
Problem is those cows are not eating grass, they are living in such filth that we have to dump huge amounts of antibiotics in them just so their milk is not laden with infection and I hear one of the biggest contaminants in milk is puss
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The cows do an amazing thing of eating grass and produce an awesome, delicious, healthy fluid. How many people say ‘humans are not designed to consume milk’? They have no idea what kind of ignorance they spread. [/quote]
Problem is those cows are not eating grass, they are living in such filth that we have to dump huge amounts of antibiotics in them just so their milk is not laden with infection and I hear one of the biggest contaminants in milk is puss[/quote]
I drink very little milk, Water plz. Now beef on the other hand. Screw dairy farmers, replace them all with cattle farmers and I’m sold. I’d allow more illegal mexicans to be in the country if it meant steaks were cheaper, this is the only way I think they would be worth it though.
V
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Look to history and the price of milk. An entire semester can be spent discussing the workings of how the industry changes when just one area of expense climbs (they offer classes at any Ag University, go to the professor and ask him to audit the class, off the books). Sorry but I do not have the time to talk about the details. I spend too much time here already and opening that jar would be too massive of a dedication IMO ; )
The short version, someone is making money and it sure as fuck is NOT the farmer. It is NOT the store either. In southern ID a large dairy is a multimillion dollar enterprise. People in general look at milk as an unnecessary commodity. They will STOP drinking the stuff if the price climbs. They did in the past! Saying simple things like ‘charge more for the milk’ is NOT how it works. So what happens to the product when people stop consuming said dairy and the product spoils on the shelf. A spoiled gallon of milk has to be dumped down a drain. Do you like dumping a gallon of milk you paid for? Imagine when you have a few million gallons of milk that goes ‘down the drain’. The price would have to go down to bring profits to a sustainable level, so consumption will go back up.
The cows do an amazing thing of eating grass and produce an awesome, delicious, healthy fluid. How many people say ‘humans are not designed to consume milk’? They have no idea what kind of ignorance they spread.
It is sad, people will believe some kid standing next to a keg over a generally accepted thought/idea. All because they bonded over a beer/pipe. Do not tell me kids never talk about the world as they stand next to a keg or share a bowl. Fuck, people still think Obama is a
good president!! The ignorance is tied to the lazy people of America and that number is growing IMO. [/quote]
How does this^ address my comment??
Kneedragger, you claim not to have much time - good; so please be brief, stop with interminablly wandering breeziness, and succintly state your case.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
So dairy farmers will have to pay more for labor; and, the price of milk will go up.
To argue that the industry needs to be “subsidized” by nearly free labor is exactly what pro-slavery voices were arguing in 19th Cent. America.
[/quote]
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/04/gov-brewer-announces-decision-on-immigration-bill/1
Arizona’s proposal would make it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. The measure would require migrants to produce papers verifying their status when asked to do so by a police officer.[/quote]
Maybe we should make all the Mexicans wear little green and red stars on their shirts. This way we’ll know which ones they are.
Hysterical nativism
A conservative border state is at risk of becoming a police state
Apr 22nd 2010 | LOS ANGELES | From The Economist print edition
RUSSELL PEARCE is the quintessential Arizona Republican. He wears stars-and-stripes shirts and has clips of John Wayne and Ronald Reagan on his website. He loves guns, his family, his Mormon faith, his country and the law, which he enforced for many years as deputy sheriff of Maricopa County. He jokes that being Republican, and thus not having a heart, saved his life when he got shot in the chest once. But his main passion is illegal immigrants, whom he calls â??invadersâ??. He loathed them even before his son Sean, also a sheriffâ??s deputy, got shot by one. But now it is personal.
Mr Pearce, a state senator, has sponsored an Arizona law that, if enacted, would be the toughest in the country. It is so brazen it has caused outrage. This week it passed the last hurdles in the state legislature. As The Economist went to press, it was awaiting the signature of Arizonaâ??s Republican governor, Jan Brewer.
Illegal immigration is a federal crime. Mr Pearceâ??s law, however, would also make it a state crime and would require the police, as opposed to federal agents, to make arrests and check the immigration status of individuals who look suspicious to them. Citizens who think their cops are not vigilant enough would be encouraged to sue their cities or counties, and no city or county may remain a â??sanctuaryâ?? where this law is not enforced.
In Mr Pearceâ??s opinion his law merely â??removes the handcuffsâ?? from the police and sheriffsâ?? deputies so they can do their work. To a great many other people, however, it screams racial profiling. Arizona is an overwhelmingly white state, and virtually all illegal immigrantsâ??perhaps about half a million in the stateâ??are Hispanic. Whom else would cops suspect and arrest but the brown ones? Even American Latinos who happen to be out without their driving licence might be at risk.
â??Illegal is not a race; it is a crime,â?? Mr Pearce likes to retort. And many Arizonans agree with him. Arizona has become the main crossing point for Mexicans, some of whom have brought Mexicoâ??s drug violence with them. A few weeks ago a prominent white rancher near the border was killed, possibly by a smuggler or illegal immigrant. Republicans run Arizona and are now in a state of hysteria, competing with one another to deal most toughly with the threat. Even Arizonaâ??s senior senator, John McCain, who once resisted demonising illegal immigrants but is now facing a challenge in the primaries for his seat, has come out in favour of Mr Pearceâ??s law.
Arizonaâ??s Latinos, by contrast, have not mobilised politically. They make up 30% of the stateâ??s population but only 12% of the electorate. And many are from families that have been American for generations, no longer speak Spanish and are ambivalent toward the new arrivals. They are thus very different from Latinos in Texas and California. During the 1990s attempts to turn back illegals at the border complied with voter initiatives against undocumented immigrants in California motivated Latinos there to become a political force which Republicans fear to cross. Arizona, however, may still be a generation behind.
Nonetheless, the Republicans are playing with fire. The entire country is now watching. Roger Mahony is archbishop of Americaâ??s largest, and very Hispanic, archdiocese, Los Angeles, and will soon be succeeded by a Latino. He calls Mr Pearceâ??s bill â??the countryâ??s most retrogressive, mean-spirited and useless anti-immigrant lawâ?? and wonders whether Arizonans are â??now reverting to German Nazi and Russian Communist techniquesâ??.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Maybe we should make all the Mexicans wear little green and red stars on their shirts. This way we’ll know which ones they are.[/quote]
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to say this. That is incredibly offensive language you just used, FightinIrish.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The cows do an amazing thing of eating grass and produce an awesome, delicious, healthy fluid. How many people say ‘humans are not designed to consume milk’? They have no idea what kind of ignorance they spread. [/quote]
Problem is those cows are not eating grass, they are living in such filth that we have to dump huge amounts of antibiotics in them just so their milk is not laden with infection and I hear one of the biggest contaminants in milk is puss[/quote]
I drink very little milk, Water plz. Now beef on the other hand. Screw dairy farmers, replace them all with cattle farmers and I’m sold. I’d allow more illegal mexicans to be in the country if it meant steaks were cheaper, this is the only way I think they would be worth it though.
V[/quote]
I would eat more beef if I could raise it myself , grass feed it
[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
I just drove through a DUI checkpoint the other night while out with some friends.
Those checkpoints should be great for rounding them up.[/quote]
I’ve driven through checkpoints in North Carolina (I was visiting) that existed for the sole purpose of checking for citizenship (at least, that’s what I was told). They asked me for my ID, checked my plates and let me go. They didn’t ask me if I had been drinking (I had a drink or two, but would not have blown .08). As a matter of fact, they didn’t ask me any questions at all.
It’s interesting how many duties the Government has according to the liberal mind. Oddly enough, enforcing/protecting our borders is not one of those. Neither is protecting the citizen tax-payer from being exploited by illegal foreign nationals. The federal government failed for far too long. So, when a state with a huge problem dares (how friggen dare they!) to do something effective at the state level, the Federal nit-wits and their peanut-gallery cry foul. Where the hell were you when hundreds of thousands of illegals poured into AZ? Exactly, nowhere.
Think about what the point behind posting that article was. “You are hamsters. Your job is to run the hamster wheel powering the social services to be used and bankrupted by even the likes of non-citizens. You will then be responsible for their bankruptcy, you Nazi, racist, assholes. Run the wheel and shut up.”
It also makes it illegal to stop in your car to pick up workers. If you go to Home Depot around here, they’ll chase you down seeing if you need some help.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
It’s interesting how many duties the Government has according to the liberal mind. Oddly enough, enforcing/protecting our borders is not one of those. Neither is protecting the citizen tax-payer from being exploited by illegal foreign nationals. The federal government failed for far too long. So, when a state with a huge problem dares (how friggen dare they!) to do something effective at the state level, the Federal nit-wits and their peanut-gallery cry foul. Where the hell were you when hundreds of thousands of illegals poured into AZ? Exactly, nowhere.
Think about what the point behind posting that article was. “You are hamsters. Your job is to run the hamster wheel powering the social services to be used and bankrupted by even the likes of non-citizens. You will then be responsible for their bankruptcy, you Nazi, racist, assholes. Run the wheel and shut up.”[/quote]
Great post.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/04/gov-brewer-announces-decision-on-immigration-bill/1
Arizona’s proposal would make it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. The measure would require migrants to produce papers verifying their status when asked to do so by a police officer.[/quote]
Maybe we should make all the Mexicans wear little green and red stars on their shirts. This way we’ll know which ones they are.[/quote]
But it must be a big, visible sign, in bright colors, or else they cover it with a coat or a newspaper…
[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Maybe we should make all the Mexicans wear little green and red stars on their shirts. This way we’ll know which ones they are.[/quote]
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to say this. That is incredibly offensive language you just used, FightinIrish.[/quote]
Dude, you are in a country in the midst of a relatively mild recession (so far) and already people are talking like the Germans in the early 30s.
And you literally are, I could post passages in German.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/04/gov-brewer-announces-decision-on-immigration-bill/1
Arizona’s proposal would make it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. The measure would require migrants to produce papers verifying their status when asked to do so by a police officer.[/quote]
Maybe we should make all the Mexicans wear little green and red stars on their shirts. This way we’ll know which ones they are.[/quote]
With all due respect, you can suck a fat dick. I normally don’t like to go there, but you are certainly gonna wear that one.
I had family who took care of and fed American soldiers who fought Nazis. Talk to someone who has dealt with a foreign army invading with tanks, planes, and soldiers.
You are trying to compare the destruction of entire countries and the genocide of Jews to deporting illegal aliens? Dude w.t.f. ? These people are being deported, not fucking gassed.
Honest to God, you think Tea Party people are fanning the flames about health care ? Tell me one country, other than the US, who doesn’t deport those present illegally ? I cannot think of one.
how is this going to stop illegals from coming into the US? They are leaving their countries, mostly from the parts that are shitholes, or fleeing from their countries jails. If they get caught in AZ they will be put into jail getting 3 squares a day, or will be sent back where they came from so they can comeover again.
This is like taking advil for a brain tumor, it’ll cure the headache but it wont stop anything. This bill is going to cost AZ a lot of money to enforce, 1. people suing the cops for not “adequately” enforcing this bill 2. massive deportation and holding of the illegals 3. people suing the cops/government for being racist and whatnot This will tie up AZ’s court systems. This bill is trying to do way too much way too fast
[quote]lemonman456 wrote:
how is this going to stop illegals from coming into the US? They are leaving their countries, mostly from the parts that are shitholes, or fleeing from their countries jails. If they get caught in AZ they will be put into jail getting 3 squares a day, or will be sent back where they came from so they can comeover again.
This is like taking advil for a brain tumor, it’ll cure the headache but it wont stop anything. This bill is going to cost AZ a lot of money to enforce, 1. people suing the cops for not “adequately” enforcing this bill 2. massive deportation and holding of the illegals 3. people suing the cops/government for being racist and whatnot This will tie up AZ’s court systems. This bill is trying to do way too much way too fast[/quote]
I may well be wrong here - however, I imagine the point of the Bill is to force the Federal Government to act - so perhaps it’s just AZ throwing up a (rather temporary) “red flag.”
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]lemonman456 wrote:
how is this going to stop illegals from coming into the US? They are leaving their countries, mostly from the parts that are shitholes, or fleeing from their countries jails. If they get caught in AZ they will be put into jail getting 3 squares a day, or will be sent back where they came from so they can comeover again.
This is like taking advil for a brain tumor, it’ll cure the headache but it wont stop anything. This bill is going to cost AZ a lot of money to enforce, 1. people suing the cops for not “adequately” enforcing this bill 2. massive deportation and holding of the illegals 3. people suing the cops/government for being racist and whatnot This will tie up AZ’s court systems. This bill is trying to do way too much way too fast[/quote]
I may well be wrong here - however, I imagine the point of the Bill is to force the Federal Government to act - so perhaps it’s just AZ throwing up a (rather temporary) “red flag.” [/quote]
Hopefully, but politicians are stupid so we cant be sure