We keep talking about our borders. Didnt the country of Costa Rica start to shoot people that came across their borders in the 80’s? The country of Costa Rica had Panama to the south that was having issues with drugs, and Nicaragua to the North that had the same issues with drug cartels. Costa Rica did not want these people in their country, and this was Latin on Latin. They did not want these criminals in their country. What is the difference between Costa Rica and The U.S.? This is not a racial issue but a legal one. Quit fooling yourselves.
I’m 22 years old and I recently finished school to become a journeyman carpenter. I completed it a year ago and just recently found a job this January… I know the construction industry is in the shitter right now but I can’t help to be pissed off when I went to apply for drywall, painters, roofers etc. to be asked if I spoke fluent Spanish and was offered 40 dollars cash a day.
When I started going to school I was told I could expect to earn at least 100 cash each day for UNSKILLED labor. Illegal immigration has ruined construction wages and jobs for millions of Americans like myself who worked hard to become certified and learn a trade, but now it’s all for nothing because of cheap labor.
I know work as a maintenance man in some section 8 apartments in Chester, PA. I get paid 8 dollars an hour, cash. I’m sure illegal immigration hasn’t effected most of you the same way it has me, so naturally I’m gonna be a bit more pissed off, but all this bullshit about racial profiling is retarded. I mean where else are illegals immigrants gonna come from in Arizona? If there’s a car full of Hispanics that don’t speak English of course you’re gonna ask them for a green card.
I like Mexicans on a personal level, hell I even do some work for a contractor that is here legally from time to time that’s Mexican. They work hard and long days for next to nothing. The contractors who hire them are just as much at fault here, but with this new law it’ll stop a lot of this bullshit and hopefully wages will go back up to where they should be. I’ll be damned if I’m working 8+ hour days doing roofing for 40 dollars a day.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
We keep talking about our borders. Didnt the country of Costa Rica start to shoot people that came across their borders in the 80’s? The country of Costa Rica had Panama to the south that was having issues with drugs, and Nicaragua to the North that had the same issues with drug cartels. Costa Rica did not want these people in their country, and this was Latin on Latin. They did not want these criminals in their country. What is the difference between Costa Rica and The U.S.?[/quote]
Ask the bleeding heart liberals
Its easy for those who have not been affected to sit in there arm chairs and say this bill is bad, but when I see good jobs like factories and construction’s wages being run into the ground what else can you do?
Could you imagine how much our unemployment would drop if we kicked them out and put in Americans to work? There are people living in inner cities that have been here for generations that need jobs.
[quote]John S. wrote:
Its easy for those who have not been affected to sit in there arm chairs and say this bill is bad, but when I see good jobs like factories and construction’s wages being run into the ground what else can you do?
Could you imagine how much our unemployment would drop if we kicked them out and put in Americans to work? There are people living in inner cities that have been here for generations that need jobs.[/quote]
There was an immigration raid here, maybe almost a year ago, where they audited the factory and found that about 300 illegal workers were found. They company let them go, and before the week was over, they had replaced those jobs with legal workers, all who were checked through E-Verify. What happened to the company ? An increase in productivity by 15%. The illegal workers sued, for Lord know what reason, but it never even made it to court. They protested, but no one cared, and they eventually left.
We throw illegals out in our country. At least that is the general idea. There is always legal immigration if we need more workforce.
[quote]AssZilla wrote:
I’m 22 years old and I recently finished school to become a journeyman carpenter. I completed it a year ago and just recently found a job this January… I know the construction industry is in the shitter right now but I can’t help to be pissed off when I went to apply for drywall, painters, roofers etc. to be asked if I spoke fluent Spanish and was offered 40 dollars cash a day.
When I started going to school I was told I could expect to earn at least 100 cash each day for UNSKILLED labor. Illegal immigration has ruined construction wages and jobs for millions of Americans like myself who worked hard to become certified and learn a trade, but now it’s all for nothing because of cheap labor.
I know work as a maintenance man in some section 8 apartments in Chester, PA. I get paid 8 dollars an hour, cash. I’m sure illegal immigration hasn’t effected most of you the same way it has me, so naturally I’m gonna be a bit more pissed off, but all this bullshit about racial profiling is retarded. I mean where else are illegals immigrants gonna come from in Arizona? If there’s a car full of Hispanics that don’t speak English of course you’re gonna ask them for a green card.
I like Mexicans on a personal level, hell I even do some work for a contractor that is here legally from time to time that’s Mexican. They work hard and long days for next to nothing. The contractors who hire them are just as much at fault here, but with this new law it’ll stop a lot of this bullshit and hopefully wages will go back up to where they should be. I’ll be damned if I’m working 8+ hour days doing roofing for 40 dollars a day.[/quote]
I feel your pain , when I left Ohio back in the mid 80’s a union carpenter could expect $20 an hour , I was a non union carpender in the mid to late 70’s making $15 an hour , You can thank Ronald Reagan for the desimation of a livable wage in any area that was involved with steel. You could probably blame him for the desimation of a livable wage nation wide
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
Anyone (Trib?) know about the Constitutionality of this? Do the Bill of Rights apply to States? Does Arizona have something in their Constitution against this sort of thing? [/quote]
The general, but not universal consensus among those whose opinion I care about is that the feds should enforce national borders, but absent that states can do it as long as it doesn’t violate federal law which of course all the open border types are quick to claim is the case. I don’t know. I do know if I were an official in a state with borders under siege like Arizona and the feds were dragging their feet I’d probably start looking for solutions too in the absence of clear evidence I couldn’t.[/quote]
The states not being able to protect their borders is ridiculous. That is like the UN saying that the United States does not have the right to protect there borders and have to rely on the UN to do it.
[quote]John S. wrote:
There are people living in inner cities that have been here for generations that need jobs.[/quote]
The problem is, those people don’t WANT the jobs. They have been conditioned to expect that they can live off the state. Its a self-fulfilling cycle that will never be broken so long as the culture of victimhood remains. The American dream is dead in the inner city, killed by fearmongers and entitlement policies.
the real question is: what constitutes reasonable suspicion?
[quote]HG Thrower wrote:
[quote]John S. wrote:
There are people living in inner cities that have been here for generations that need jobs.[/quote]
The problem is, those people don’t WANT the jobs. They have been conditioned to expect that they can live off the state. Its a self-fulfilling cycle that will never be broken so long as the culture of victimhood remains. The American dream is dead in the inner city, killed by fearmongers and entitlement policies.[/quote]
Those days are coming to an end.
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
the real question is: what constitutes reasonable suspicion?[/quote]
From the policy that most AZ cities followed was you could not inquire about some oneâ??s legal status.
Mrs. Pittbulll is a retired school teacher; in her tenure she was aware of many illegal students. Some of these students were so brazen that not only were they known illegal but they were also big disruptions in class.
I believe it makes it mandatory for anyone that takes AZ tax money as their payday must report any illegal residents that they are aware of.
I do not want to see people stopped for the purpose of checking legal status, but if some one is an asshole FIND OUT THERE LEGAL STATUS â?¦.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
the real question is: what constitutes reasonable suspicion?[/quote]
From the policy that most AZ cities followed was you could not inquire about some oneâ??s legal status.
Mrs. Pittbulll is a retired school teacher; in her tenure she was aware of many illegal students. Some of these students were so brazen that not only were they known illegal but they were also big disruptions in class.
I believe it makes it mandatory for anyone that takes AZ tax money as their payday must report any illegal residents that they are aware of.
I do not want to see people stopped for the purpose of checking legal status, but if some one is an asshole FIND OUT THERE LEGAL STATUS â?¦.
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I think the goal is if someone is stopped for speeding, or some other misdemenor or felony they have the right to ask about thier status and check their status. They do not want any of their cities to be sanctuary cities.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
the real question is: what constitutes reasonable suspicion?[/quote]
From the policy that most AZ cities followed was you could not inquire about some one�¢??s legal status.
Mrs. Pittbulll is a retired school teacher; in her tenure she was aware of many illegal students. Some of these students were so brazen that not only were they known illegal but they were also big disruptions in class.
I believe it makes it mandatory for anyone that takes AZ tax money as their payday must report any illegal residents that they are aware of.
I do not want to see people stopped for the purpose of checking legal status, but if some one is an asshole FIND OUT THERE LEGAL STATUS �¢?�¦.
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I think the goal is if someone is stopped for speeding, or some other misdemenor or felony they have the right to ask about thier status and check their status. They do not want any of their cities to be sanctuary cities.[/quote]
This goes back to my point. Let’s say you get pulled over for a ticket, and you have no license, the cop can run you through the DMV database on the computer in the squad car. If you forgot your license, he can still see if you are who you claim to be. This whole thing is being blown so out of proportion, it’s not even funny. People profile all the time, because it works. How many people keep an eye on the guy with wearing the turban on a plane ?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]AssZilla wrote:
I’m 22 years old and I recently finished school to become a journeyman carpenter. I completed it a year ago and just recently found a job this January… I know the construction industry is in the shitter right now but I can’t help to be pissed off when I went to apply for drywall, painters, roofers etc. to be asked if I spoke fluent Spanish and was offered 40 dollars cash a day.
When I started going to school I was told I could expect to earn at least 100 cash each day for UNSKILLED labor. Illegal immigration has ruined construction wages and jobs for millions of Americans like myself who worked hard to become certified and learn a trade, but now it’s all for nothing because of cheap labor.
I know work as a maintenance man in some section 8 apartments in Chester, PA. I get paid 8 dollars an hour, cash. I’m sure illegal immigration hasn’t effected most of you the same way it has me, so naturally I’m gonna be a bit more pissed off, but all this bullshit about racial profiling is retarded. I mean where else are illegals immigrants gonna come from in Arizona? If there’s a car full of Hispanics that don’t speak English of course you’re gonna ask them for a green card.
I like Mexicans on a personal level, hell I even do some work for a contractor that is here legally from time to time that’s Mexican. They work hard and long days for next to nothing. The contractors who hire them are just as much at fault here, but with this new law it’ll stop a lot of this bullshit and hopefully wages will go back up to where they should be. I’ll be damned if I’m working 8+ hour days doing roofing for 40 dollars a day.[/quote]
I feel your pain , when I left Ohio back in the mid 80’s a union carpenter could expect $20 an hour , I was a non union carpender in the mid to late 70’s making $15 an hour , You can thank Ronald Reagan for the desimation of a livable wage in any area that was involved with steel. You could probably blame him for the desimation of a livable wage nation wide [/quote]
That’s insane that nearly 30 years later you can expect to make less than that… Most non-union carpenter jobs offer about 10-12 dollars an hour unless it’s a state or government job. But you know the unions will be the first in line for those.
As a guy on the other side of the country, to the north, there are a high number of illegal immigrants in ID. They perform the jobs that Americans believe they don’t have to do. A major example for me is in the dairy industry. The workers have long days in a small dairy and the length of time only goes up as the size increases. Work as a milker is extremely repetitive and tedious.
Few American will work 2 five hour shifts with one starting at 5 in the morning and the other starting at 5 in the evening. Oh the part I didn’t mention, larger dairies milk 3 times a day!
The second fact, cows produce milk 7 days a week, 365 days a year without a single day off. Workers get up at the butt crack of dawn, work for a few hours, go to a long lunch and come back in the evening for another 5 hours. Sounds like a bitch huh?
Americans want quite a bit of money for that kind of work. I have yet to even talk about the function of the farm, growing the food for the cows, cleaning pens as the cows are milked, etc., God the dairy is an incredible challenge!! The price of milk in the store has been around two and a half dollars since I can remember.
Yet the price of unprocessed milk is falling through the floor. IMO Americans want to pick and choose the job they want and all while getting paid an exorbitant amount of money for a job that just about anyone can do. Yet just about anyone will not do the work in a dairy because of the tedious nature of the task.
A dairyman will hire another American any day of the week, if they will do the same job as the immigrant for the same price. A dairy is more about the people than the cows. The dairy is transforming is ways similar to other businesses. When large American businesses go away, I believe the true America comes back.
How many small Mom and Pop business’ have closed because of Walmart alone? I refuse to shop there for that reason alone, others just reinforce my belief. And yet how many people complain about immigrants yet still shop at stores similar to Wally World?
Last point I bring to the table, wasn’t this country founded on immigrants?
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
As a guy on the other side of the country, to the north, there are a high number of illegal immigrants in ID. They perform the jobs that Americans believe they don’t have to do. A major example for me is in the dairy industry. The workers have long days in a small dairy and the length of time only goes up as the size increases. Work as a milker is extremely repetitive and tedious.
Few American will work 2 five hour shifts with one starting at 5 in the morning and the other starting at 5 in the evening. Oh the part I didn’t mention, larger dairies milk 3 times a day! The second fact, cows produce milk 7 days a week, 365 days a year without a single day off. Workers get up at the butt crack of dawn, work for a few hours, go to a long lunch and come back in the evening for another 5 hours. Sounds like a bitch huh?
Americans want quite a bit of money for that kind of work. I have yet to even talk about the function of the farm, growing the food for the cows, cleaning pens as the cows are milked, etc., God the dairy is an incredible challenge!! The price of milk in the store has been around two and a half dollars since I can remember. Yet the price of unprocessed milk is falling through the floor. IMO Americans want to pick and choose the job they want and all while getting paid an exorbitant amount of money for a job that just about anyone can do. Yet just about anyone will not do the work in a dairy because of the tedious nature of the task.
A dairyman will hire another American any day of the week, if they will do the same job as the immigrant for the same price. A dairy is more about the people than the cows. The dairy is transforming is ways similar to other businesses. When large American businesses go away, I believe the true America comes back. How many small Mom and Pop businessâ?? have closed because of Walmart alone? I refuse to shop there for that reason alone, others just reinforce my belief. And yet how many people complain about immigrants yet still shop at stores similar to Wally World?
Last point I bring to the table, wasnâ??t this country founded on immigrants?
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Pay better wages and you will get Americans working those jobs. So if you legalized these people, labor laws prevent them from getting low-balled, and the next wave of illegal aliens comes in and takes those jobs.
It all starts and ends with jobs, if businesses paid better, they would get to choose from an increased labor pool, you also use E-Verify, and the problem solves itself.
Yes the country was founded by immigrants, legal ones, for some reason the media and left wing groups love to lump them all together. But there is a difference.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
As a guy on the other side of the country, to the north, there are a high number of illegal immigrants in ID. They perform the jobs that Americans believe they don’t have to do. A major example for me is in the dairy industry. The workers have long days in a small dairy and the length of time only goes up as the size increases. Work as a milker is extremely repetitive and tedious.
Few American will work 2 five hour shifts with one starting at 5 in the morning and the other starting at 5 in the evening. Oh the part I didn’t mention, larger dairies milk 3 times a day! The second fact, cows produce milk 7 days a week, 365 days a year without a single day off. Workers get up at the butt crack of dawn, work for a few hours, go to a long lunch and come back in the evening for another 5 hours. Sounds like a bitch huh?
Americans want quite a bit of money for that kind of work. I have yet to even talk about the function of the farm, growing the food for the cows, cleaning pens as the cows are milked, etc., God the dairy is an incredible challenge!! The price of milk in the store has been around two and a half dollars since I can remember. Yet the price of unprocessed milk is falling through the floor. IMO Americans want to pick and choose the job they want and all while getting paid an exorbitant amount of money for a job that just about anyone can do. Yet just about anyone will not do the work in a dairy because of the tedious nature of the task.
A dairyman will hire another American any day of the week, if they will do the same job as the immigrant for the same price. A dairy is more about the people than the cows. The dairy is transforming is ways similar to other businesses. When large American businesses go away, I believe the true America comes back. How many small Mom and Pop business�¢?? have closed because of Walmart alone? I refuse to shop there for that reason alone, others just reinforce my belief. And yet how many people complain about immigrants yet still shop at stores similar to Wally World?
Last point I bring to the table, wasn�¢??t this country founded on immigrants?
[/quote]
Pay better wages and you will get Americans working those jobs. So if you legalized these people, labor laws prevent them from getting low-balled, and the next wave of illegal aliens comes in and takes those jobs.
It all starts and ends with jobs, if businesses paid better, they would get to choose from an increased labor pool, you also use E-Verify, and the problem solves itself.
Yes the country was founded by immigrants, legal ones, for some reason the media and left wing groups love to lump them all together. But there is a difference. [/quote]
Damn you get it:)
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
As a guy on the other side of the country, to the north, there are a high number of illegal immigrants in ID. They perform the jobs that Americans believe they don’t have to do. A major example for me is in the dairy industry. The workers have long days in a small dairy and the length of time only goes up as the size increases. Work as a milker is extremely repetitive and tedious.
Few American will work 2 five hour shifts with one starting at 5 in the morning and the other starting at 5 in the evening. Oh the part I didn’t mention, larger dairies milk 3 times a day! The second fact, cows produce milk 7 days a week, 365 days a year without a single day off. Workers get up at the butt crack of dawn, work for a few hours, go to a long lunch and come back in the evening for another 5 hours. Sounds like a bitch huh?
Americans want quite a bit of money for that kind of work. I have yet to even talk about the function of the farm, growing the food for the cows, cleaning pens as the cows are milked, etc., God the dairy is an incredible challenge!! The price of milk in the store has been around two and a half dollars since I can remember. Yet the price of unprocessed milk is falling through the floor. IMO Americans want to pick and choose the job they want and all while getting paid an exorbitant amount of money for a job that just about anyone can do. Yet just about anyone will not do the work in a dairy because of the tedious nature of the task.
A dairyman will hire another American any day of the week, if they will do the same job as the immigrant for the same price. A dairy is more about the people than the cows. The dairy is transforming is ways similar to other businesses. When large American businesses go away, I believe the true America comes back. How many small Mom and Pop businessâ?? have closed because of Walmart alone? I refuse to shop there for that reason alone, others just reinforce my belief. And yet how many people complain about immigrants yet still shop at stores similar to Wally World?
Last point I bring to the table, wasnâ??t this country founded on immigrants?
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Sounds like the Dairy could hire 3 shifts work them 8 hours a day 5 days a week ,or 2 shifts 12hours a day 2 days on 3 days off then 3 days on 2 days off, problem would be he would have to pay them a livable wage , which means we may have to pay a little more at the Gocery store ,
I do not believe the Dairy owner can claim Americans would not work in his conditions when he does not know how to manage a bussiness. I agree simple is easier , but paying alivable wage and allowing people enogh time to enjoy life is also important
I used to work at my Grand fathers Dairy when i was a kid , it was very low tech , he had a 20 or 30 cows that ran a hundred acres , these ones out here have about 500 cows per acre. They are huge cess pools
If you think about how this could help the economy, you have money made in America staying in America. Less payouts for entitlements, less stress on city/state infrastructures, fewer schools needing to be built, I am talking about more money being recycled back into the economy. We need more wealth makers, not wealth takers.
Utah, Colorado, and Oklahoma have shown interest in adding the same law.