AZ Immigration Law Signed

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]spyoptic wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Countries that have stricter immigration laws are stagnating. Our industrialized nation is

1.)living longer, which costs money

2.) not reproducing enough.

so we NEED immigrants. Furthermore, their cheap labor drives down costs and benefits society. It carries over into other industries when people have more money to spend… Simply put, its all about supply and demand - and they wouldn’t be here if there was no demand for them.[/quote]

This sounds like a free-market arguement for open immigration. Unfortunately, there is no free market. What happens is that other tax-payers subsidize the cost of unskilled-illegal- labor for the benefit of some employer looking for the cheapest worker.

We pay their ER bills, we send their anchor babies to school, we pay the extra policing for all the crime inside (and pouring out of) their ghettos. When they get some idiot to grant them amnesty next time, we’ll be funding their subsidized health-care plan, too.

We pay all the social and financial costs for a population which, even generations later, still doesn’t achieve. A Demographic which by the way is quickly outreproducing the very people who carry the burden of funding the social costs. Now that, isn’t a very good combination.

I’d rather have a succesful shrinking population then see it replaced by a population that can’t keep a father in the home for even half of it’s families. Cause guess who pays that child support? We do. Just so some contractor can cut his costs. Hire some blacks.

Sure, you might have to pay more, but maybe some of them will actually be able to afford a damn home now that their blue collar work isn’t being handed off to interlopers who are willing to pack themselves into a single apartment like eggs in carton.

And maybe, just maybe, with steady, reliable, low-skilled work, within a generation or two, their descendents will be climbing to the next rung on the socio-economic ladder.[/quote]

ok thx for the reply, I don’t know much on the subject. Along those lines I read that immigrants and their children are a burden to the state, but if you span it over their lifetime they end up paying more in taxes and whatnot.

edit: even illegal ones[/quote]

most live ina cash economy ,

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Do the math on their contribution against their cost. They cost more, plenty of times over.

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judge napolitano presents ardent criticism of this bill

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[quote]thefederalist wrote:
judge napolitano presents ardent criticism of this bill

“Ah, Hispanics – who have a natural home in the Republican Party because they are socially conservative – will flee in droves.”

Bwahaha! Oh, stop, I’m crying I’m laughing so hard.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]thefederalist wrote:
judge napolitano presents ardent criticism of this bill

“Ah, Hispanics – who have a natural home in the Republican Party because they are socially conservative – will flee in droves.”

Bwahaha! Oh, stop, I’m crying I’m laughing so hard.[/quote]

I guess Hispanics prefer to camp out rather than live in their “natural home?”
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Heh, check out the unwed/teenage birth rates. You will be floored. I’m talking flat out, eyes-bugging-out-of-your-head, floored. I sometimes wonder how many people from the other side of the argument have even looked at the numbers. There’s no way they can without seeing a very grim future for this country. Yeah, that “socially conservative” demographic isn’t voting for a party that believes in self reliance. That demographic votes for the party who’ll take, by force, their child-support from us.

It is a catastrophe in the making. In fact, I, with absolutely no hesitation, assert that it is too late…This country is seeing it’s last days as an economic superstar.

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Funny how it has been Republicans that have pushed amnesty in the past (Reagan and GW Bush), yet they vote Democrat. I don’t know what these people are thinking. You have double digit unemployment, an economy in the shitter, and you want to add Lord know how many million to the workforce?

Sloth you are correct, they bred themselves into the electorate.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Countries that have stricter immigration laws are stagnating. Our industrialized nation is

1.)living longer, which costs money

2.) not reproducing enough.

so we NEED immigrants. Furthermore, their cheap labor drives down costs and benefits society. It carries over into other industries when people have more money to spend… Simply put, its all about supply and demand - and they wouldn’t be here if there was no demand for them.[/quote]

All of this is taken care of by structured, legal immigration.

It would truly be foolish to say we need immigrants therefore anybody and everybody at any time and for any reason is free to come here at their discretion.[/quote]

It’s disturbing that this still somehow needs to be said, but apparently it does. Why is that anytime somebody says “hey, maybe people should immigrate here legally” that immediately translates in the minds of some into “this must be some kinda spic hating anti immigrant guy”?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Countries that have stricter immigration laws are stagnating. Our industrialized nation is

1.)living longer, which costs money

2.) not reproducing enough.

so we NEED immigrants. Furthermore, their cheap labor drives down costs and benefits society. It carries over into other industries when people have more money to spend… Simply put, its all about supply and demand - and they wouldn’t be here if there was no demand for them.[/quote]

All of this is taken care of by structured, legal immigration.

It would truly be foolish to say we need immigrants therefore anybody and everybody at any time and for any reason is free to come here at their discretion.[/quote]
It’s disturbing that this still somehow needs to be said, but apparently it does. Why is that anytime somebody says “hey, maybe people should immigrate here legally” that immediately translates in the minds of some into “this must be some kinda spic hating anti immigrant guy”?[/quote]

nooo theres just alot of material out there that say that even ILLEGAL immigrants are good for America in the long run.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Countries that have stricter immigration laws are stagnating. Our industrialized nation is

1.)living longer, which costs money

2.) not reproducing enough.

so we NEED immigrants. Furthermore, their cheap labor drives down costs and benefits society. It carries over into other industries when people have more money to spend… Simply put, its all about supply and demand - and they wouldn’t be here if there was no demand for them.[/quote]

All of this is taken care of by structured, legal immigration.

It would truly be foolish to say we need immigrants therefore anybody and everybody at any time and for any reason is free to come here at their discretion.[/quote]
It’s disturbing that this still somehow needs to be said, but apparently it does. Why is that anytime somebody says “hey, maybe people should immigrate here legally” that immediately translates in the minds of some into “this must be some kinda spic hating anti immigrant guy”?[/quote]

Because it ultimately reminds them that they broke the law, something they continually want to ignore or deflect. Many of these people don’t even recognize our borders, in their minds, they are “European” made borders which have no relevance to them. White man’s laws have no jurisdiction to the indigenous people, so I say we pay them in pesos. You are all white devils to them, or affectionately known as “hijos de chicles”, or “sons of the white gum.” My sources come from being housed with over 1000 illegals at FCI Terminal Island, they laugh and scoff at laws, they are playing our laws and our system.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Funny how it has been Republicans that have pushed amnesty in the past (Reagan and GW Bush), yet they vote Democrat. I don’t know what these people are thinking. You have double digit unemployment, an economy in the shitter, and you want to add Lord know how many million to the workforce?

Sloth you are correct, they bred themselves into the electorate. [/quote]

CHEAP LABOR

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Hey guys. It occurred to me that the threshold for a legitimate terry stop (stop and frisk) is reasonable articulable suspicion. How is this substantively different from the reasonable suspicion required by this law? Thoughts? Does this make terry stops illegitimate in your mind or does this strengthen the argument for this law?

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Thank God. Freedom isnt free,guys.

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I just drove through a DUI checkpoint the other night while out with some friends.

Those checkpoints should be great for rounding them up.

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[quote]thefederalist wrote:
Hey guys. It occurred to me that the threshold for a legitimate terry stop (stop and frisk) is reasonable articulable suspicion. How is this substantively different from the reasonable suspicion required by this law? Thoughts? Does this make terry stops illegitimate in your mind or does this strengthen the argument for this law? [/quote]

It all starts and ends with reasonable suspicion, I don’t see that there would be a difference with terry stops and this new law. The only difference with this law is, if you give a cop probably cause to search you, he can also ask your immigration status if he suspects you are illegal.

People will shout about how not having a drivers license doesn’t mean they are illegal. So then tell me, how many people do you know who don’t have a drivers license (who are of age to have one) ?

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[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
I just drove through a DUI checkpoint the other night while out with some friends.

Those checkpoints should be great for rounding them up.[/quote]

Down in Escondido, they have lots of DUI checkpoints, and are rounding up illegals by the dozens. The ACLU cried and filed suit, saying the city implemented them for the sole reason of catching illegal aliens. The city won the suit, saying they are allowed to enforce checkpoints where drunk drivers can be caught, it is not the city’s obligation to accommodate illegal aliens. keeping the city safe. The city of Fontana saw this, and added DUI checkpoints too, the same crying and whining happened, with the same law suit, and the same city victory.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]thefederalist wrote:
Hey guys. It occurred to me that the threshold for a legitimate terry stop (stop and frisk) is reasonable articulable suspicion. How is this substantively different from the reasonable suspicion required by this law? Thoughts? Does this make terry stops illegitimate in your mind or does this strengthen the argument for this law? [/quote]

It all starts and ends with reasonable suspicion, I don’t see that there would be a difference with terry stops and this new law. The only difference with this law is, if you give a cop probably cause to search you, he can also ask your immigration status if he suspects you are illegal.

People will shout about how not having a drivers license doesn’t mean they are illegal. So then tell me, how many people do you know who don’t have a drivers license (who are of age to have one) ? [/quote]

I dont know about you guys, but I always drive with my license on me. If you are talking about just asking people randomly on the street walking then they might not have their license on them. There are ways to check to see if a person is a citizen or not. You can check SSN, but it is possible for a person to not have their SSN memorized. I would think the FBI, INS, and other government agenies have ways to track down whether a person is a citizen or not. Speaking English helps IMO.