AZ Immigration Law Signed

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

orion is spouting his doctrines but not making any sense or actually coming up with a solution but again enjoying his mouth frothing ravings about how terrible the US is and the policies for protecting the US citizens.

Gotta ignore that guy because he will support the Mexicans for pursuing their dreams and denounce the Americans for protecting theirs.

That’s fine. The laws will be passed, the laws will be enforced to the best of the regulatory authorities abilities. That’s all that I can ask for.

I will vote for those that support my ideals and hope for a better solution in the future.

Thank goodness Arizona has pursued this legislation because it is finally bringing this issue to the forefront where it needs to be. [/quote]

Their dreams consist mostly of woring hard for little money and feed their family.

You dreams consist of coasting through life easily.

Well yes, arrogant snob that I am, I am rooting for the Mexicans.

Because they deserve it, you dont.

You can call that what you want, buy my main point stands:

Boohoo.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
you know its easy to speak when your belly is full, you have no fucking idea what life is like for those people down there. if you were in their position you would do the same shit so please STFU[/quote]

I would take my country back because I am not a pussy liberal like yourself.[/quote]

Please.

How often were you hungry or could not feed your kids?

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Have your country send them social services dollars. If they already do, then send more. [/quote]

Sweet.

You can bullshit all you want and they will still get into your country.

Because they need to and will not accept the cards that destiny has dealt them and they shit on your stupid laws.

In other words, they are exactly what you need you whiny, spoiled brats.

People like them made your country great by fleeing people like you.

Deal with it or dont, but if you think that any one of them is just going to roll over and die because you print some words on a piece of paper and call it a “law” or that everyone who does not immediately roll on his belly and spreads em is a “criminal” you need to grow up, seriously.

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Please.

How many Mexicans illegally enter your country stealing money out of your pocket and committing large numbers of crimes?

You can bullshit all you want, but it isn’t your country and it isn’t your money.

If Mexicans don’t want to accept the state of their country, maybe they should do something to make it better.[/quote]

ORLY?

DO you take personal responsibilty for the 500000 thousand children who died and whose death was “worth it” because it detained Hussein?

For the hundreds of thousands of people that died because of questionable wars, the “war on drugs” or similar shit like that?

Because if you dont, why would you expect that Mexicans would, and how come you are so extra special that you live by different rules than them?

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Uh… what? I do what I can in my country to see it through. I never said the US was perfect.

If I were to enter their country illegally I’d get discriminated against, thrown in jail, and deported. Why are they so special they get to live by different rules that me?

They do much much worse on their southern boarder.

What happens when enough of them get here to collapse the system and me and mine go hungry? What if my kid can’t get an entry level job because of illegals?

Right now the national dept of the US is over 100000 dollars per tax payer. Why in the hell can’t I look out for my children’s future?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

orion is spouting his doctrines but not making any sense or actually coming up with a solution but again enjoying his mouth frothing ravings about how terrible the US is and the policies for protecting the US citizens.

Gotta ignore that guy because he will support the Mexicans for pursuing their dreams and denounce the Americans for protecting theirs.

That’s fine. The laws will be passed, the laws will be enforced to the best of the regulatory authorities abilities. That’s all that I can ask for.

I will vote for those that support my ideals and hope for a better solution in the future.

Thank goodness Arizona has pursued this legislation because it is finally bringing this issue to the forefront where it needs to be. [/quote]

Their dreams consist mostly of woring hard for little money and feed their family.

You dreams consist of coasting through life easily.

Well yes, arrogant snob that I am, I am rooting for the Mexicans.

Because they deserve it, you dont.

You can call that what you want, buy my main point stands:

Boohoo.
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Your post reeks of your hate of the US.

Your opinion is rooted in ignorance and prejudice, which is why you are so easy to dismiss.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

orion is spouting his doctrines but not making any sense or actually coming up with a solution but again enjoying his mouth frothing ravings about how terrible the US is and the policies for protecting the US citizens.

Gotta ignore that guy because he will support the Mexicans for pursuing their dreams and denounce the Americans for protecting theirs.

That’s fine. The laws will be passed, the laws will be enforced to the best of the regulatory authorities abilities. That’s all that I can ask for.

I will vote for those that support my ideals and hope for a better solution in the future.

Thank goodness Arizona has pursued this legislation because it is finally bringing this issue to the forefront where it needs to be. [/quote]

Their dreams consist mostly of woring hard for little money and feed their family.

You dreams consist of coasting through life easily.

Well yes, arrogant snob that I am, I am rooting for the Mexicans.

Because they deserve it, you dont.

You can call that what you want, buy my main point stands:

Boohoo.
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Fuck You. I’ve been poor, I’ve been hungry.

Your dreams consist of young Mexican boys and using other people’s money to make you feel better.

The fact is that a large portion are criminals with no respect for anything. Illegals are drug running, raping, murdering, and stealing. If Mexicans were so hard working and honest and deserving, the country wouldn’t be so bad off. They aren’t any different than anyone else with the exception that illegals have proven they are willing to break laws.

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UtahLama posted this link in a different thread

here is an excerpt:

[b]Yet Mexico’s Arizona-style law requires local police to check IDs. And Mexican police freely engage in racial profiling and routinely harass Central American migrants, say immigration activists.

“The Mexican government should probably clean up its own house before looking at someone else’s,” said Melissa Vertíz, spokeswoman for the Fray Matías de Córdova Human Rights Center in Tapachula, Mexico.

In one six-month period from September 2008 through February 2009, at least 9,758 migrants were kidnapped and held for ransom in Mexico â?? 91 of them with the direct participation of Mexican police, a report by the National Human Rights Commission said. Other migrants are routinely stopped and shaken down for bribes, it said.

A separate survey conducted during one month in 2008 at 10 migrant shelters showed Mexican authorities were behind migrant attacks in 35 of 240 cases, or 15%.[/b]

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

UtahLama posted this link in a different thread

here is an excerpt:

[b]Yet Mexico’s Arizona-style law requires local police to check IDs. And Mexican police freely engage in racial profiling and routinely harass Central American migrants, say immigration activists.

“The Mexican government should probably clean up its own house before looking at someone else’s,” said Melissa VertÃ?­z, spokeswoman for the Fray MatÃ?­as de CÃ?³rdova Human Rights Center in Tapachula, Mexico.

In one six-month period from September 2008 through February 2009, at least 9,758 migrants were kidnapped and held for ransom in Mexico â?? 91 of them with the direct participation of Mexican police, a report by the National Human Rights Commission said. Other migrants are routinely stopped and shaken down for bribes, it said.

A separate survey conducted during one month in 2008 at 10 migrant shelters showed Mexican authorities were behind migrant attacks in 35 of 240 cases, or 15%.[/b][/quote]

No way, all the evil in the world is a result of lazy Americans. Orion just hasn’t figured out how racist intolerant Mexican laws are our fault yet.

I’m putting orion on ignore. He’s to dumb to even read at this point.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

orion is spouting his doctrines but not making any sense or actually coming up with a solution but again enjoying his mouth frothing ravings about how terrible the US is and the policies for protecting the US citizens.

Gotta ignore that guy because he will support the Mexicans for pursuing their dreams and denounce the Americans for protecting theirs.

That’s fine. The laws will be passed, the laws will be enforced to the best of the regulatory authorities abilities. That’s all that I can ask for.

I will vote for those that support my ideals and hope for a better solution in the future.

Thank goodness Arizona has pursued this legislation because it is finally bringing this issue to the forefront where it needs to be. [/quote]

Their dreams consist mostly of woring hard for little money and feed their family.

You dreams consist of coasting through life easily.

Well yes, arrogant snob that I am, I am rooting for the Mexicans.

Because they deserve it, you dont.

You can call that what you want, buy my main point stands:

Boohoo.
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I will propose a program, at our cost. We will purchase tickets for every illegal immigrant…heck, we will set up booths at our border to dispense them, at no cost to the would be illegal, so that they might fly to Austria. Again, we will pay the cost of their flight. It would actually save us money, and you’d get to show us how it’s done. Would this be something that you’d be willing to fight hard for? Will you start up a grassroots effort to have Austria take them in at our expense?

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What Onion isn’t telling you, that in much of Europe, illegal aliens are not given citizenship or access to services. Simply being spewed out on land does not grant you rights of that land.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
What Onion isn’t telling you, that in much of Europe, illegal aliens are not given citizenship or access to services. Simply being spewed out on land does not grant you rights of that land. [/quote]

Good Point Max

This is about the Netherlands and also mentions the UK and Germany also being more restrictive

[b]http://www.rferl.org/...le/1067418.html
EU: Netherlands Leading Trend To More Stringent Immigration Rules

If you don’t speak Dutch, and the thought of nude beaches or homosexual marriage makes you uncomfortable, then the Netherlands is not for you. That’s the message from Dutch immigration authorities, who have just instituted some of Europe’s most stringent requirements for would-be immigrants. Several other European states are following suit, as European politicians react to growing anti-immigration sentiment among voters.
PRAGUE, April 5, 2006 (RFE/RL) – Dutch Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk says there are over 600,000 people in her country who don’t speak proper Dutch and are mostly unemployed.

Verdonk argues that the Netherlands can no longer afford to welcome immigrants who will not integrate into mainstream society, which is why she has advocated a new restrictive visa system. [/b](I just cut and pasted the first couple of paragraphs.)

[b]The Netherlands is not the only European country that has begun to restrict immigration or citizenship only to people it sees as culturally or economically desirable.

Britain recently announced it will rate potential immigrants according to a point system that will favor well-educated or highly skilled workers, and two German states recently proposed new citizenship tests that would question applicants’ views on forced marriage, homosexuality, women’s rights, and terrorism. [/b]( cut and pasted a couple of paragraphs.)

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]gangstpmp3 wrote:
you know its easy to speak when your belly is full, you have no fucking idea what life is like for those people down there. if you were in their position you would do the same shit so please STFU[/quote]

I would take my country back because I am not a pussy liberal like yourself.[/quote]

Please.

How often were you hungry or could not feed your kids?

[/quote]

Have your country send them social services dollars. If they already do, then send more. [/quote]

Sweet.

You can bullshit all you want and they will still get into your country.

Because they need to and will not accept the cards that destiny has dealt them and they shit on your stupid laws.

In other words, they are exactly what you need you whiny, spoiled brats.

People like them made your country great by fleeing people like you.

Deal with it or dont, but if you think that any one of them is just going to roll over and die because you print some words on a piece of paper and call it a “law” or that everyone who does not immediately roll on his belly and spreads em is a “criminal” you need to grow up, seriously.

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Your answer is for us to throw our borders wide open, thus without question (it’s inarguable) destroying our social services. Now, of course, since this is your objective in the first place, you’re aware of this. In fact, you’ve stated that if we didn’t have social services, this would be a non-issue. So don’t sit there and try to play the caring type. Don’t go getting all righteous. For you, it’s counter to your ideology. One we’ve all heard plenty about.

You’re aware of the problem of our social services and public goods. You’re aware of the social cost. So much so that you advise us to scrap them in order to dampen the incentive. So they’ll choose to ‘die’ at home or ‘die’ in our streets, basically. Don’t come playing at Orion the big-hearted.

And just because you wish to pay somewhat above 3rd world wages for someone happy with a just- above-3rd world-existence, in a 1st world nation, so you might have your shrubs pruned and driveway poured, while throwing your lower class fellow citizen–who traditionally did the work under the bus–don’t expect me to nominate you for a peace prize. Not everything is about the bottom dollar. Look homeword and hire your own forgotten citizen.

Some of us don’t fantacize ourselves as wealthy corporate princes, overseeing a teeming throng of ‘more desperate than the next’ laborers, content (for now) with your table scraps and some floor space to sleep on. [/quote]

This is nonsense.

I know how hard it is for them because I know how hard it was, and very easily could be again if I make too many mistakes, for me.

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Just curious, but what makes you think this is any different for the rest of us? [/quote]

Nothing, but it is even worse for them, because for them it is not about losing their car or their job, it is about survival.

I really do not get how some people think that stricter laws will deter them when they have no choice.

They do what they must, end of story.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

orion is spouting his doctrines but not making any sense or actually coming up with a solution but again enjoying his mouth frothing ravings about how terrible the US is and the policies for protecting the US citizens.

Gotta ignore that guy because he will support the Mexicans for pursuing their dreams and denounce the Americans for protecting theirs.

That’s fine. The laws will be passed, the laws will be enforced to the best of the regulatory authorities abilities. That’s all that I can ask for.

I will vote for those that support my ideals and hope for a better solution in the future.

Thank goodness Arizona has pursued this legislation because it is finally bringing this issue to the forefront where it needs to be. [/quote]

Their dreams consist mostly of woring hard for little money and feed their family.

You dreams consist of coasting through life easily.

Well yes, arrogant snob that I am, I am rooting for the Mexicans.

Because they deserve it, you dont.

You can call that what you want, buy my main point stands:

Boohoo.
[/quote]

Your post reeks of your hate of the US.

Your opinion is rooted in ignorance and prejudice, which is why you are so easy to dismiss.
[/quote]

“Reeks of hate of the US”?

Your post reeks of a the complete inability to even remotely grasp how the US looks from the outside.

It falls under the “they hate us for our freedom” category,

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

orion is spouting his doctrines but not making any sense or actually coming up with a solution but again enjoying his mouth frothing ravings about how terrible the US is and the policies for protecting the US citizens.

Gotta ignore that guy because he will support the Mexicans for pursuing their dreams and denounce the Americans for protecting theirs.

That’s fine. The laws will be passed, the laws will be enforced to the best of the regulatory authorities abilities. That’s all that I can ask for.

I will vote for those that support my ideals and hope for a better solution in the future.

Thank goodness Arizona has pursued this legislation because it is finally bringing this issue to the forefront where it needs to be. [/quote]

Their dreams consist mostly of woring hard for little money and feed their family.

You dreams consist of coasting through life easily.

Well yes, arrogant snob that I am, I am rooting for the Mexicans.

Because they deserve it, you dont.

You can call that what you want, buy my main point stands:

Boohoo.
[/quote]

Your post reeks of your hate of the US.

Your opinion is rooted in ignorance and prejudice, which is why you are so easy to dismiss.
[/quote]

“Reeks of hate of the US”?

Your post reeks of a the complete inability to even remotely grasp how the US looks from the outside.

It falls under the “they hate us for our freedom” category,

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Yeah, nations with stricter immigration laws hate us for our immigration laws. I swear, sometimes you’re contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. I know you’ll deny it, but I’m convinced that if the US became the first nation to go anarcho-capitalist, you’d switch to Marxism.

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Why does anybody posting on this thread care what somebody from the EU thinks about a matter that is solely the purview of the United States? The very fact that he feels entiled to tell people in other countries how they should handle their own affairs of state points to a stunning level of personal arrogance.

I mean its not like the EU has any issues they should be focused on right now anyway.

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Onion,

You are taking advantage of the fact that most of the people here have no idea what immigration the EU is dealing with, too bad for you, I do know. You have a major issue with Muslims who are invading the European Countries illegally. Are their dreams consist mostly of “working hard for little money and feeding their families?”

Should we be rooting for Muslims? I got cursed out in the middle of Piazza Navona because I would not buy some trinkets from a Muslim peddler, should I let him curse me out in my native country?

Bottom line, we simply cannot take in everyone who wants a better life. We do not have the funds, the infrastructure, or the economy to pay for the increased welfare state that these people create. You are discovering the same issues I am sure.

If anything, you should be the last person to talk shit, since you don’t allow birthright citizenship, meaning they also do not have access to social services there.

Before you go rooting for Mexico, take a look at what Amnesty International had to say about the immigration practices and policies in Mexico. Why you would be rooting for such a racist regime, I have no idea…

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It looks like the Dept. of Justice is looking to file papers challenging the law, claiming it is Unconstitutional. I think this is a big gamble for Obama, if the Harvard Law Grad loses in court, he will look more foolish than he does already.

Hey Chosen One,

Around 65% of the people in the country approve of the law, do you really want to piss them off more than you already have? You shoved a health care bill down our throats using more prostitution than the Bunny Ranch, and now you saying that drug cartels, kidnappers, and human smugglers are more important than the citizens of Arizona?.. great job. They average 1 kidnapping a day, and who would ever think one of our U.S. cities would be dealing with this? The mythical Hispanic vote you are after, is around 15% of the people, way to piss off the remaining 85%.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Their dreams consist mostly of woring hard for little money and feed their family.

You dreams consist of coasting through life easily.

Well yes, arrogant snob that I am, I am rooting for the Mexicans.

Because they deserve it, you dont.

You can call that what you want, buy my main point stands:

Boohoo.
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So your perspective is that our success means that we have to give up our success to those who have not acheived success in their own country . . . let me know how that works out for you in your country and then you can pontificate all you want . . .

What’s wrong with people remaining in their own country and working hard to succeed there? Wouldn’t it seem that the illegal is the one looking for the easier path to success? Where is the national loyalty of the illegal immigrant? Why are they not working hard to improve the infrastructure and economy of their own country? Where is their national pride?

There was no world-leading economy here before we buckled down and busted our asses and built it - we had the same starting point as everyone else and we built something amazing and now, because we succeded in our efforts, we have to just give that success away to those who did not achieve it in their own lands? BS!!