AZ Immigration Law Signed

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Onion,

You are taking advantage of the fact that most of the people here have no idea what immigration the EU is dealing with, too bad for you, I do know. You have a major issue with Muslims who are invading the European Countries illegally. Are their dreams consist mostly of “working hard for little money and feeding their families?”

Should we be rooting for Muslims? I got cursed out in the middle of Piazza Navona because I would not buy some trinkets from a Muslim peddler, should I let him curse me out in my native country?

Bottom line, we simply cannot take in everyone who wants a better life. We do not have the funds, the infrastructure, or the economy to pay for the increased welfare state that these people create. You are discovering the same issues I am sure.

If anything, you should be the last person to talk shit, since you don’t allow birthright citizenship, meaning they also do not have access to social services there.

Before you go rooting for Mexico, take a look at what Amnesty International had to say about the immigration practices and policies in Mexico. Why you would be rooting for such a racist regime, I have no idea…

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-05-25-mexico-migrants_N.htm[/quote]

I do not root for Mexico, I root for Mexicans that take their lifes into their own hands and try to make a living in the US.

Legally or illegally.

I do not root for any state, they all stink.

Some more, some less.

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Their dreams consist mostly of woring hard for little money and feed their family.

You dreams consist of coasting through life easily.

Well yes, arrogant snob that I am, I am rooting for the Mexicans.

Because they deserve it, you dont.

You can call that what you want, buy my main point stands:

Boohoo.
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So your perspective is that our success means that we have to give up our success to those who have not acheived success in their own country . . . let me know how that works out for you in your country and then you can pontificate all you want . . .
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Poppycock, my position is that “you” have not have had any kind of success and that you are standing on the shoulders of giants that would have been much more sympathetic to them than to their soft, spoiled descendants.

[quote]orion wrote:
…that would have been much more sympathetic to them than to their soft, spoiled descendants.

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Rofl. Yeah, our founders were wide open to the idea of a mass immigration from Mexico.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Their dreams consist mostly of woring hard for little money and feed their family.

You dreams consist of coasting through life easily.

Well yes, arrogant snob that I am, I am rooting for the Mexicans.

Because they deserve it, you dont.

You can call that what you want, buy my main point stands:

Boohoo.
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So your perspective is that our success means that we have to give up our success to those who have not acheived success in their own country . . . let me know how that works out for you in your country and then you can pontificate all you want . . .
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Poppycock, my position is that “you” have not have had any kind of success and that you are standing on the shoulders of giants that would have been much more sympathetic to them than to their soft, spoiled descendants.

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LMAO - you need to chose a perspective and stick to it. You have derided our ancestors repeatedly and now you hold an opinion based on them being “giants” and “more sympathetic”. . . you’re more entertaining than a sit-n-spin . . .

I noticed how you conveiently ignored the rest of my comment.

Until you’ve been in my shoes and worked three jobs at a time, worked 120 hour weeks, slogged through all sorts of crap in all sorts of nasty weather - then you can try to call me soft and spoiled . . . come on - try it!

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Their dreams consist mostly of woring hard for little money and feed their family.

You dreams consist of coasting through life easily.

Well yes, arrogant snob that I am, I am rooting for the Mexicans.

Because they deserve it, you dont.

You can call that what you want, buy my main point stands:

Boohoo.
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So your perspective is that our success means that we have to give up our success to those who have not acheived success in their own country . . . let me know how that works out for you in your country and then you can pontificate all you want . . .
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Poppycock, my position is that “you” have not have had any kind of success and that you are standing on the shoulders of giants that would have been much more sympathetic to them than to their soft, spoiled descendants.

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LMAO - you need to chose a perspective and stick to it. You have derided our ancestors repeatedly and now you hold an opinion based on them being “giants” and “more sympathetic”. . . you’re more entertaining than a sit-n-spin . . .

I noticed how you conveiently ignored the rest of my comment.

Until you’ve been in my shoes and worked three jobs at a time, worked 120 hour weeks, slogged through all sorts of crap in all sorts of nasty weather - then you can try to call me soft and spoiled . . . come on - try it![/quote]

I did not work 120 hour weeks but I did the rest.

Update…

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals UPHELD the injunction imposed by Judge Susan Bolton. Now Arizona can appeal to the entire 9th Circuit Court, or straight to SCOTUS. Out of the 2 judges who ruled in favor of the injunction, one judge cited that it could harm international relations, which is pure bullshit. The 9th Circuit is also the most overturned court in the land, it actually has more decisions overturned than upheld.

I hope SCOTUS gets their hands on this and overturns it.

[quote]orion wrote:
Poppycock, my position is that “you” have not have had any kind of success and that you are standing on the shoulders of giants that would have been much more sympathetic to them than to their soft, spoiled descendants.
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So you don’t think ancestors should be able to pass on wealth to their descendants? You think other people can come along and take that wealth simply because the descendants don’t deserve it? Why? Simply because they do it through the state?

So you must support a death tax Orion? I doubt it. In reality, you just want to crash the state. You believe the state is evil, and the US state in particular, no matter what and it clouds your judgment. Luckily it is clear to everyone how irrational you are being.

[quote]orion wrote:
Nothing, but it is even worse for them, because for them it is not about losing their car or their job, it is about survival.
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And it is only the social safety net that stop it from being about survival for many of us. Letting them in endangers our social safety net. Thus if we open up our borders we will be in as dire a situation as them.

What it ends with is more Americans struggling to survive, or much higher taxes to support everybody. I know you are against the latter so it seems clear you support the former. And that just makes you a dick.

[quote]phaethon wrote:

What it ends with is more Americans struggling to survive, or much higher taxes to support everybody. I know you are against the latter so it seems clear you support the former. And that just makes you a dick.
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While I’m glad that there are voices of conservative thought on this forum, I really wish that conservatives would learn how to argue the facts. Taxes don’t support anybody or anything, it is the government revenues that are redistibuted to people. Your above post assumes that higher taxes leads to more revenue for the government to spend, but this isn’t true. In fact, the opposite is true. In our history, as well as the history of other countries, a reduction in the tax rates have been met with an increase in tax revenue, and increases in tax rates have always meant either less government revenue or lower revenue growth. Everybody was oh so surprised that the Bush tax cuts resulted in a steep increas in revenue, everybody except me and anybody who studied history. Change doesn’t happen in a vaccum, and I could have told you that revenue would go up.

Most of the AZ law simply reaffirms federal law and provides money to enforce it. We have laws for a reason, and making a constitutional argument (as Obama is doing) about a law that doesn’t even affect people who are citizens of this country, and thus have no constitutional protections, is pretty insulting. The fact that a judge could support the restraining order by saying that the law “isn’t going for internatinoal relations” just goes to show that judges are really politicians these days. We could pass a law saying that we have to give the big middle finger to France every day at 3 pm. Good international relations? Probably not, but its a free country and if the American people wanted to make it the law of the land, we could. There is nothing in the constitution saying we can’t.

The Statue of Liberty tells us to “give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free…” Last I checked, Mexico IS FREE, not yearning to be. With the resources they have, there is no reason why they continue to be so destitute. However, our generosity isn’t a suicide pact. Yes, we are lucky to have been born in such an amazing country in the modern age. That fact alone means that we will have a higher standard of living than 99.999999999% of all humans who have every existed, but change doesn’t happen in a vaccum. You can’t just take money from “the rich” and give it to freeloading Mexicans. That will change the behavior of the rich and the Mexicans. We’re $14 trillion in debt. Times have changed. Sorry, time to turn out the lights.

Multiculturalism has utterly failed, and nobody, anywhere, in any time, has ever given any evidence that “diversity” is beneficial to anyone. In the years following the civil war, blacks from the south started migrating to the north, much to the chagrin of nothern black folk who had worked their asses off to escape dysfunctionality, and these same black folks were further pissed when the government transplanted ghetto black dysfunctional bullshit into their predominantly white neighborhoods in the name of diversity. There once were signs that read “no Irish need apply.” A generation later the signs disappeared. Why? Because the IRISH HAD CHANGED, not the business owners. When I see a sign at a rally saying “I’m an illegal who wants free health care” it pisses me off. Get in line, follow our rules, learn our language, and respect our culture. Why those simple requirements piss off you fucking douchebag libtards is beyond me.

Listen, I’m starting up a hedge fund right now. I’m one of those rich pieces of shit that you hate so much. I make sick fucking money. The more I read about hedge funds and how they are regulated here, the more I realize that I will probably have to organize the fund under the laws of some other country and I probably won’t be able to have American investors. This is very common for this type of fund. You have any idea how many trillions of dollars are out there in foreign funds? Money that would be pumped into the US if the regulations weren’t so fucking draconian? Do you have any idea how much additional tax revenue our government would bring in if it didn’t insist on fucking me in the ass and sending me a bill? I could have a trillion dollars, and you’d be all pissed off if you had a million, so you insist on pushing us toward a system where we both have ten dollars. Yeah, real fucking brilliant.

For further reading, take it from a black man:

http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell101910.php3

http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell102010.php3

"In Germany, as in other countries in Europe, welcoming millions of foreign workers who insist on remaining foreign has created problems so obvious that only the intelligentsia could fail to see them. It takes a high IQ to evade the obvious.

"Yet today, attempts to get black or Hispanic youngsters to speak the language of the society around them are decried by multiculturalists. And any attempt to get them to behave according to the cultural norms of the larger society is denounced as “cultural imperialism,” if not racism.

The multicultural dogma is that we are to “celebrate” all cultures, not change them. In other words, people who lag educationally or economically are to keep on doing what they have been doing – but somehow have better results in the future than in the past. And, if they don’t have better results in the future, it is society’s fault."

[quote]gerby wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:

What it ends with is more Americans struggling to survive, or much higher taxes to support everybody. I know you are against the latter so it seems clear you support the former. And that just makes you a dick.
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Your above post assumes that higher taxes leads to more revenue for the government to spend, but this isn’t true. [/quote]

I don’t assume anything of the sort.

I am assuming the government will likely raise taxes in an attempt to get more revenue. This is a fair assumption irrespective of whether the tax hikes will bring in more tax revenue.

Another state decides against harboring illegals.

I hope the rest of the U.S. aside from those states that are cracking down, enjoy the new influx of illegals.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/alabama-lawmakers-approve-immigration-crackdown-20110405-184724-782.html

This one is just for Max…the money quote…California spends 22 BILLION dollars annually on illegal immigrants. Yikes.

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/03/30/3515113/gov-brown-cuts-education-but-not.html

Nice, now the cartels have decided to start killing U.S. law enforcement. While the Mexican government is mostly concerned with how to export more of their people to the U.S.

Gotta get those dollars sent back to Mexico.

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/texas-48642-rangers-drug.html

5,000 illegals voted in the Colorado elections…guess who does NOT think that is a problem. Hint… not the GOP.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/153079-gop-says-5000-non-citizens-voting-in-colorado-a-wake-up-call-for-states

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
5,000 illegals voted in the Colorado elections…guess who does NOT think that is a problem. Hint… not the GOP.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/153079-gop-says-5000-non-citizens-voting-in-colorado-a-wake-up-call-for-states[/quote]

They voted for open border supporting, anti-social programs libertarians. Waaaaaait a minute…

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
5,000 illegals voted in the Colorado elections…guess who does NOT think that is a problem. Hint… not the GOP.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/153079-gop-says-5000-non-citizens-voting-in-colorado-a-wake-up-call-for-states[/quote]

They voted for open border supporting, anti-social programs libertarians. Waaaaaait a minute…[/quote]

Not sure where you got that, not from that article.

The winner in the race that the illegals voted in Sen. Bennett is a Lawyer, with a background in education administration…held several appointments in the Obama administration and was a early supporter of Obama’s campaign. Does not sound to Libertarian to me.

Please clarify.