AZ Immigration Law Signed

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Some people here need to take some time to actually read the legislation before spouting off all of their nonsense - the bill exactly mirrors the language of the federal anti-illegal imigration statutes (this means that there is nothing new in the law), is predicated on lawful contact (a well-defined statute), and relies on ICE (a federal agency) to determine the legal status of any suspected illegal alien.

All the law does is allow the state authorities to verify a suspected illegal alien’s actual status via the federal authorities AS DEMANDED IN FEDERAL LAW (ie - the federal law requires a federal response to the state’s request).

Federal law already required non-citizen residents to ALWAYS have their papers (green card, resident alien id, etc) on their person. Again - nothing new in the AZ law! It is a reasonable and measured response to an out-of-control situation created by our federal government’s refusal to enforce the illigal alien laws and to secure our border.

Mexico’s imimgration law is blatently racist - but no one bother’s to mention that little gem . . . [/quote]

Or as an American try driving to Mexico City , I bet you will be stopped 10 times a day [/quote]

Back in 1995, my buddies and I went to Rosarito Beach to party at Papas and Beer. After driving across the border into Mexico, I took the toll road, and got pulled over by some fat pig Federale. My buddies spoke perfect Spanish, and told me to just bribe the cop, so I gave him $40. A couple days later, on the way back to the US, the same fucking bastard cop pulled me over, and again asked me for bribe money. Nothing I could do. As I paid him, he told me to come down more often, smiling his ass off.

There is no degree of honest lawful infrastructure or civility down there, it’s a city of pure Thunderdome IMO. [/quote]

You have such a narrow definmition of civilized behavior.

See, there you can bribe your way out of such a situation.

In the US they can take your money or your car if they just suspectg you have done something illegal and the burden of proof is on you to get it back.

I like the Mexican way better.

Or maybe being robbed is a-ok for you as long it is done in a “legal” manner.

Well then it is worse in Mexico I guess.

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Who said they can take your money or your car if they suspect you did something wrong in the US ? What movie did you see this in ? Have you ever been in the US to base your flawed opinion?

I didn’t do anything wrong, and lost 80 bucks so I would not have to look at this slob.

You need to get out of Austria every once in a while, such isolation is not good for you or your warped opinion.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Some people here need to take some time to actually read the legislation before spouting off all of their nonsense - the bill exactly mirrors the language of the federal anti-illegal imigration statutes (this means that there is nothing new in the law), is predicated on lawful contact (a well-defined statute), and relies on ICE (a federal agency) to determine the legal status of any suspected illegal alien.

All the law does is allow the state authorities to verify a suspected illegal alien’s actual status via the federal authorities AS DEMANDED IN FEDERAL LAW (ie - the federal law requires a federal response to the state’s request).

Federal law already required non-citizen residents to ALWAYS have their papers (green card, resident alien id, etc) on their person. Again - nothing new in the AZ law! It is a reasonable and measured response to an out-of-control situation created by our federal government’s refusal to enforce the illigal alien laws and to secure our border.

Mexico’s imimgration law is blatently racist - but no one bother’s to mention that little gem . . . [/quote]

Or as an American try driving to Mexico City , I bet you will be stopped 10 times a day [/quote]

Back in 1995, my buddies and I went to Rosarito Beach to party at Papas and Beer. After driving across the border into Mexico, I took the toll road, and got pulled over by some fat pig Federale. My buddies spoke perfect Spanish, and told me to just bribe the cop, so I gave him $40. A couple days later, on the way back to the US, the same fucking bastard cop pulled me over, and again asked me for bribe money. Nothing I could do. As I paid him, he told me to come down more often, smiling his ass off.

There is no degree of honest lawful infrastructure or civility down there, it’s a city of pure Thunderdome IMO. [/quote]

We used to go to Rocky Point AKA Puerto Penasco, really never had trouble with the cops , but were told by the locals not to go any farther south . Now the locals close the road if they have a beef with the Gov. If they close the road you could be stuck down there several days that you were not planning on spending. The war on drugs has created alot of fear also .

The last time I was down there I took my bag with snorkle equipment and there was a box of 38 cal bullets in there , I paniced because if I got caught with them I would go to prison. I was really glad my 38 was not in the bag , I would not have given in up , I would have tried to bring it back .

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Some people here need to take some time to actually read the legislation before spouting off all of their nonsense - the bill exactly mirrors the language of the federal anti-illegal imigration statutes (this means that there is nothing new in the law), is predicated on lawful contact (a well-defined statute), and relies on ICE (a federal agency) to determine the legal status of any suspected illegal alien.

All the law does is allow the state authorities to verify a suspected illegal alien’s actual status via the federal authorities AS DEMANDED IN FEDERAL LAW (ie - the federal law requires a federal response to the state’s request).

Federal law already required non-citizen residents to ALWAYS have their papers (green card, resident alien id, etc) on their person. Again - nothing new in the AZ law! It is a reasonable and measured response to an out-of-control situation created by our federal government’s refusal to enforce the illigal alien laws and to secure our border.

Mexico’s imimgration law is blatently racist - but no one bother’s to mention that little gem . . . [/quote]

Or as an American try driving to Mexico City , I bet you will be stopped 10 times a day [/quote]

Back in 1995, my buddies and I went to Rosarito Beach to party at Papas and Beer. After driving across the border into Mexico, I took the toll road, and got pulled over by some fat pig Federale. My buddies spoke perfect Spanish, and told me to just bribe the cop, so I gave him $40. A couple days later, on the way back to the US, the same fucking bastard cop pulled me over, and again asked me for bribe money. Nothing I could do. As I paid him, he told me to come down more often, smiling his ass off.

There is no degree of honest lawful infrastructure or civility down there, it’s a city of pure Thunderdome IMO. [/quote]

You have such a narrow definmition of civilized behavior.

See, there you can bribe your way out of such a situation.

In the US they can take your money or your car if they just suspectg you have done something illegal and the burden of proof is on you to get it back.

I like the Mexican way better.

Or maybe being robbed is a-ok for you as long it is done in a “legal” manner.

Well then it is worse in Mexico I guess.

[/quote]

Who said they can take your money or your car if they suspect you did something wrong in the US ? What movie did you see this in ? Have you ever been in the US to base your flawed opinion?

I didn’t do anything wrong, and lost 80 bucks so I would not have to look at this slob.

You need to get out of Austria every once in a while, such isolation is not good for you or your warped opinion. [/quote]

Taking your car down there is dangerous , make sure to get a rider on your car Ins. If you get in a wreck or hit some one’s chicken you will go to jail until the Resident is happy.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Some people here need to take some time to actually read the legislation before spouting off all of their nonsense - the bill exactly mirrors the language of the federal anti-illegal imigration statutes (this means that there is nothing new in the law), is predicated on lawful contact (a well-defined statute), and relies on ICE (a federal agency) to determine the legal status of any suspected illegal alien.

All the law does is allow the state authorities to verify a suspected illegal alien’s actual status via the federal authorities AS DEMANDED IN FEDERAL LAW (ie - the federal law requires a federal response to the state’s request).

Federal law already required non-citizen residents to ALWAYS have their papers (green card, resident alien id, etc) on their person. Again - nothing new in the AZ law! It is a reasonable and measured response to an out-of-control situation created by our federal government’s refusal to enforce the illigal alien laws and to secure our border.

Mexico’s imimgration law is blatently racist - but no one bother’s to mention that little gem . . . [/quote]

Or as an American try driving to Mexico City , I bet you will be stopped 10 times a day [/quote]

Back in 1995, my buddies and I went to Rosarito Beach to party at Papas and Beer. After driving across the border into Mexico, I took the toll road, and got pulled over by some fat pig Federale. My buddies spoke perfect Spanish, and told me to just bribe the cop, so I gave him $40. A couple days later, on the way back to the US, the same fucking bastard cop pulled me over, and again asked me for bribe money. Nothing I could do. As I paid him, he told me to come down more often, smiling his ass off.

There is no degree of honest lawful infrastructure or civility down there, it’s a city of pure Thunderdome IMO. [/quote]

You have such a narrow definmition of civilized behavior.

See, there you can bribe your way out of such a situation.

In the US they can take your money or your car if they just suspectg you have done something illegal and the burden of proof is on you to get it back.

I like the Mexican way better.

Or maybe being robbed is a-ok for you as long it is done in a “legal” manner.

Well then it is worse in Mexico I guess.

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Your right , I think that is one reason the war on drugs is still raging , they confiscate Cars , Jewlery,cash and bank accounts . with very little more than suspicion

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Some people here need to take some time to actually read the legislation before spouting off all of their nonsense - the bill exactly mirrors the language of the federal anti-illegal imigration statutes (this means that there is nothing new in the law), is predicated on lawful contact (a well-defined statute), and relies on ICE (a federal agency) to determine the legal status of any suspected illegal alien.

All the law does is allow the state authorities to verify a suspected illegal alien’s actual status via the federal authorities AS DEMANDED IN FEDERAL LAW (ie - the federal law requires a federal response to the state’s request).

Federal law already required non-citizen residents to ALWAYS have their papers (green card, resident alien id, etc) on their person. Again - nothing new in the AZ law! It is a reasonable and measured response to an out-of-control situation created by our federal government’s refusal to enforce the illigal alien laws and to secure our border.

Mexico’s imimgration law is blatently racist - but no one bother’s to mention that little gem . . . [/quote]

Or as an American try driving to Mexico City , I bet you will be stopped 10 times a day [/quote]

Back in 1995, my buddies and I went to Rosarito Beach to party at Papas and Beer. After driving across the border into Mexico, I took the toll road, and got pulled over by some fat pig Federale. My buddies spoke perfect Spanish, and told me to just bribe the cop, so I gave him $40. A couple days later, on the way back to the US, the same fucking bastard cop pulled me over, and again asked me for bribe money. Nothing I could do. As I paid him, he told me to come down more often, smiling his ass off.

There is no degree of honest lawful infrastructure or civility down there, it’s a city of pure Thunderdome IMO. [/quote]

You have such a narrow definmition of civilized behavior.

See, there you can bribe your way out of such a situation.

In the US they can take your money or your car if they just suspectg you have done something illegal and the burden of proof is on you to get it back.

I like the Mexican way better.

Or maybe being robbed is a-ok for you as long it is done in a “legal” manner.

Well then it is worse in Mexico I guess.

[/quote]

Who said they can take your money or your car if they suspect you did something wrong in the US ? What movie did you see this in ? Have you ever been in the US to base your flawed opinion?

I didn’t do anything wrong, and lost 80 bucks so I would not have to look at this slob.

You need to get out of Austria every once in a while, such isolation is not good for you or your warped opinion. [/quote]

Do I really need to post half a page of forfeiture cases?

Do you really think that I could not do that?

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Forfeiture due to suspected activity, or proven activity? If you get pulled over with a kilo of something in your car, suspicion just went out the window, along with your freedom. If cops find dope in your car, you are hit… like good weed.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Forfeiture due to suspected activity, or proven activity? If you get pulled over with a kilo of something in your car, suspicion just went out the window, along with your freedom. If cops find dope in your car, you are hit… like good weed. [/quote]

If you get pulled over with a few thousand dollars in your car it is gone and YOU have to prove that you made it legally.

Even if you are a trucker, even if you need it for gas and food, just spend a few thousand dollars on legal fees to get it back.

The Mexicans want 40$ per encounter and target those who can most likely pay?

Most civilized behavior.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Forfeiture due to suspected activity, or proven activity? If you get pulled over with a kilo of something in your car, suspicion just went out the window, along with your freedom. If cops find dope in your car, you are hit… like good weed. [/quote]

If you get pulled over with a few thousand dollars in your car it is gone and YOU have to prove that you made it legally.

Even if you are a trucker, even if you need it for gas and food, just spend a few thousand dollars on legal fees to get it back.

The Mexicans want 40$ per encounter and target those who can most likely pay?

Most civilized behavior.

[/quote]

your ignorance knows no bounds . . .

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Forfeiture due to suspected activity, or proven activity? If you get pulled over with a kilo of something in your car, suspicion just went out the window, along with your freedom. If cops find dope in your car, you are hit… like good weed. [/quote]

If you get pulled over with a few thousand dollars in your car it is gone and YOU have to prove that you made it legally.

Even if you are a trucker, even if you need it for gas and food, just spend a few thousand dollars on legal fees to get it back.

The Mexicans want 40$ per encounter and target those who can most likely pay?

Most civilized behavior.

[/quote]

your ignorance knows no bounds . . . [/quote]

Your debating skills however are very familiar with them.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Forfeiture due to suspected activity, or proven activity? If you get pulled over with a kilo of something in your car, suspicion just went out the window, along with your freedom. If cops find dope in your car, you are hit… like good weed. [/quote]

If you get pulled over with a few thousand dollars in your car it is gone and YOU have to prove that you made it legally.

Even if you are a trucker, even if you need it for gas and food, just spend a few thousand dollars on legal fees to get it back.

The Mexicans want 40$ per encounter and target those who can most likely pay?

Most civilized behavior.

[/quote]

You really think the Mexican cop is going to take a $40 bribe when he finds you have a few thousand dollars on you LOL? Really LOL !!!

The cop will take all those thousands and might leave you with enough money to make a phone call.

By the way, here is an awesome pic from the Los Angeles Rally, says what he wants perfectly.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Your debating skills however are very familiar with them.

[/quote]

Let’s try that snide theory of yours, shall we?

In your opinion better to pay the 40$ bribe in Mexico instead of having your property confiscated in the US, right?

Ok, the lawlessness in Mexico that allows the cop to take a bribe in the first place is the same lawlessness that allows people to be kidnapped, rapped, tortured and held for ransom or sold into the sex slave trade.

The lawful seizure of property during an arrest in the US is based in the same law that allows you to sue the same police department for damages should the arrest be proven to be unlawful.

Where would you rather visit?

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Listen to him Onion, he speaketh the truth.

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Your debating skills however are very familiar with them.

[/quote]

Let’s try that snide theory of yours, shall we?

In your opinion better to pay the 40$ bribe in Mexico instead of having your property confiscated in the US, right?

Ok, the lawlessness in Mexico that allows the cop to take a bribe in the first place is the same lawlessness that allows people to be kidnapped, rapped, tortured and held for ransom or sold into the sex slave trade.

The lawful seizure of property during an arrest in the US is based in the same law that allows you to sue the same police department for damages should the arrest be proven to be unlawful.

Where would you rather visit?[/quote]

Some of those forfeitures are just because some one has cash that can not be explained to THEIR satisfaction

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
Some people here need to take some time to actually read the legislation before spouting off all of their nonsense - the bill exactly mirrors the language of the federal anti-illegal imigration statutes (this means that there is nothing new in the law), is predicated on lawful contact (a well-defined statute), and relies on ICE (a federal agency) to determine the legal status of any suspected illegal alien.

All the law does is allow the state authorities to verify a suspected illegal alien’s actual status via the federal authorities AS DEMANDED IN FEDERAL LAW (ie - the federal law requires a federal response to the state’s request).

Federal law already required non-citizen residents to ALWAYS have their papers (green card, resident alien id, etc) on their person. Again - nothing new in the AZ law! It is a reasonable and measured response to an out-of-control situation created by our federal government’s refusal to enforce the illigal alien laws and to secure our border.

Mexico’s imimgration law is blatently racist - but no one bother’s to mention that little gem . . . [/quote]

well put

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Your debating skills however are very familiar with them.

[/quote]

Let’s try that snide theory of yours, shall we?

In your opinion better to pay the 40$ bribe in Mexico instead of having your property confiscated in the US, right?

Ok, the lawlessness in Mexico that allows the cop to take a bribe in the first place is the same lawlessness that allows people to be kidnapped, rapped, tortured and held for ransom or sold into the sex slave trade.

The lawful seizure of property during an arrest in the US is based in the same law that allows you to sue the same police department for damages should the arrest be proven to be unlawful.

Where would you rather visit?[/quote]

Mexico, because there you know where you stand.

Everyone knows the police is corrupt and does not expect anything different.

That is much better than a society where you never know where you stand with the police, where they can beat or even kill you “legally” and just take a paid vacation afterwards and where people still assume that you must have done something wrong if they beat the shit out of you.

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Just to clarify, no one is saying that the illegals are lazy.

See that is part of the propaganda.

What I, and speaking for myself and working in the legal system. I KNOW that so many illegals do apply for WIC and go to the food bank and get gas cards.

kinda chaps my hide.

I do not know what the solution is. I do know that other nations seem to handle this much better with the military at their border.

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Thanks OG!

Hey Chushin! Good to see you posting - oh wait - it was me that was gone for awhile! Yeah, its amazing how the un-informed are so certain that they are right. I only hope he is an anomally and not representative of the average European.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Your debating skills however are very familiar with them.

[/quote]

Let’s try that snide theory of yours, shall we?

In your opinion better to pay the 40$ bribe in Mexico instead of having your property confiscated in the US, right?

Ok, the lawlessness in Mexico that allows the cop to take a bribe in the first place is the same lawlessness that allows people to be kidnapped, rapped, tortured and held for ransom or sold into the sex slave trade.

The lawful seizure of property during an arrest in the US is based in the same law that allows you to sue the same police department for damages should the arrest be proven to be unlawful.

Where would you rather visit?[/quote]

Mexico, because there you know where you stand.

Everyone knows the police is corrupt and does not expect anything different.

That is much better than a society where you never know where you stand with the police, where they can beat or even kill you “legally” and just take a paid vacation afterwards and where people still assume that you must have done something wrong if they beat the shit out of you.

[/quote]

Yep, this sounds like the perfect place to go, especially with a family. Let your kids play outside in the street, while drug cartels have shoot outs in the streets, fucking Shangri La.

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