AZ Immigration Law Signed

drewh · May 2, 2010, 5:05pm

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]drewh wrote:

Natural resources mean nothing for a revolution. You are blowing smoke up your ass if you get offended by whitey Jewed down while funny I can see as being offensive. I guess this country was built off cowards then, people just running from their problems. The Native Americans must be some tough ass SOB’s.

Oh and I welcome a history lesson, the term great is relative and it does not make what the Japanese or the white man (better) did any better. But anyways that is in the past and I don’t want to beat a dead horse. Oh and that would have been pretty stupid and would have started shit with the USSR.[/quote]

What does, “Natural resources mean nothing for a revolution.” mean? What I said was the Mexican people already have everything they need in their own country.

I do get offended when someone uses the terms “whitey” and “jewed down” as a term of insult because then the intention is to insult me. Just like you using the term Whitey in the context of this topic. You used it to be disparaging towards whites.

The people that ran here were still part of their country and then had a revolution. Do you really not know this? Are you going to call every nation a coward? Which wasn’t a word I used to associate for the Mexicans but apparently you must see them that way as you introduced the word in relation to their actions. And your very juvenile jab at my Jew ancestors being cowards, she left France after they tried to put her on a train after beating the rest of her family to death. It isn’t the minorities fleeing Mexico because they are being carted off to ovens or shot and dumped in mass graves. Analogies are always weak as your’s so aptly exemplifies.

Twist it and turn it anyway you want, but the border jumping criminals are not worthy of my respect and regard when they demonstrate that the [u]laws of my nation are below their notice if they do not suit their wants[/u]. That is just the first law they break, their first crime and then they compound it over and over again. Every border jumper is a criminal. Every one and when I say that, I also include everyone who has over-stayed their Visas or any other similar situation.

Someone in this thread mentioned how the Depression will take care of this because when the money is gone the people and government of the United States will react finally to the problem because their won’t be anything extra to dole out to the border jumpers. He’s right.[/quote]

My bad you called an entire group lazy not cowards. Even though they risk a lot coming over to work shitty manual labor jobs.
As for the Jew comparison I was using it as a comparison for the sole purpose of saying how stupid it was for her to say that they are lazy for coming over. Nothing more. And people act as if there aren’t drug wars in Mexico you wouldn’t want to stick around for that shit either.

orion · May 2, 2010, 5:10pm

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

I have picked fruit in Modesto in the hot summer months so do not give me this bull about whites not doing the work they do. Even if things have changed now, nothing exists in a vacuum. If the illegal border jumping criminals are finally kept out of our country, then the jobs will be filled. Really, it will happen.

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Sure, but it will not happen in the US.

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I disagree, I do not think whitey:) would do it for below minimum wage , I think bussiness is going to have to pay a livable wage if imagration reform works for the benafit of the American rather than the benafit of cheap labor. And don’t tell me they are the same . All tax payers subsidise that cheap labor.[/quote]

If it would make economic sense to pay “livable” wages, they would already do so.

Sinced it doesnt your fruits and vegetables will come from Mexico, if they cannot come to those jobs the jobs will come to them.

Maaayyyybe one could rationalize these jobs away with the use of machinery but even then Americans would not get any jobs out of this.

These are the wages the market bears, those jobs are not worth more.

Tiribulus · May 2, 2010, 5:17pm

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
<<< Twist it and turn it anyway you want, but the border jumping criminals are not worthy of my respect and regard when they demonstrate that the [u]laws of my nation are below their notice if they do not suit their wants[/u]. That is just the first law they break, their first crime and then they compound it over and over again. Every border jumper is a criminal. Every one and when I say that, I also include everyone who has over-stayed their Visas or any other similar situation. >>>[/quote]
Very very good.

Bullmoose33 · May 2, 2010, 5:25pm

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Drew,

How in the blue fuck are you going to compare the situation between the Jews in WW2 or the Civil Rights Movement of the 60’s to illegal aliens coming here illegally? The Jews were facing genocide and racial extermination, no need to explain further as to why they would oppose it. The Blacks (who were brought here by slave traders against their will) were now freed, and deserved to be given equal rights. Illegals crossing the border (by their own accord) think they have the same struggle? Puh-lease.

How are you comparing the rounding up of Jews, sent to camps to be gassed to illegals being deported ? This might be one of the worst failed comparisons I have seen on the boards ever. Because you jumped on the media hype train just for shock value. What should the citizens of Arizona do? Just shut up, pay more taxes for more illegals coming here, hope they don’t get caught in the crossfire between cops and kidnappers and drug smugglers. Dude, AZ is 2nd only to Colombia in kidnapping in the world, and since you are in Colorado, I don’t think you get a grasp of what it’s like there. Take a look at Mexico’s immigration policy and tell me who is the real racist here…

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14632[/quote]

Comparing anything to the goverment sponsored extermination of 6 million people is no bueno.

orion · May 2, 2010, 5:37pm

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Twist it and turn it anyway you want, but the border jumping criminals are not worthy of my respect and regard when they demonstrate that the [u]laws of my nation are below their notice if they do not suit their wants[/u]. That is just the first law they break, their first crime and then they compound it over and over again. Every border jumper is a criminal. Every one and when I say that, I also include everyone who has over-stayed their Visas or any other similar situation.
[/quote]

Ah, nonsense, your nation has a lot of laws that are worthy of contempt, as has mine.

Since it is a fair guess that every American commits at least three felonies A DAY you will have a hard time respecting anybody, including yourself.

pittbulll · May 2, 2010, 6:35pm

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

I have picked fruit in Modesto in the hot summer months so do not give me this bull about whites not doing the work they do. Even if things have changed now, nothing exists in a vacuum. If the illegal border jumping criminals are finally kept out of our country, then the jobs will be filled. Really, it will happen.

[/quote]

Sure, but it will not happen in the US.

[/quote]

I disagree, I do not think whitey:) would do it for below minimum wage , I think bussiness is going to have to pay a livable wage if imagration reform works for the benafit of the American rather than the benafit of cheap labor. And don’t tell me they are the same . All tax payers subsidise that cheap labor.[/quote]

If it would make economic sense to pay “livable” wages, they would already do so.

Sinced it doesnt your fruits and vegetables will come from Mexico, if they cannot come to those jobs the jobs will come to them.

Maaayyyybe one could rationalize these jobs away with the use of machinery but even then Americans would not get any jobs out of this.

These are the wages the market bears, those jobs are not worth more.
[/quote]

I personally would prefer our fruits and vegetables to come from Mexico. they can pay a wage that is livable there. There will be a point where they can not compete with American Farmers

America would not have to pay for all the social programs that support a third class citazen, meanning no direspect

The reason it makes no sense for America to pay more for farm labor is because the have an inexaustable resource of cheap labor that drags it down so far below a livable wage .

JoeGood · May 2, 2010, 8:20pm

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Twist it and turn it anyway you want, but the border jumping criminals are not worthy of my respect and regard when they demonstrate that the [u]laws of my nation are below their notice if they do not suit their wants[/u]. That is just the first law they break, their first crime and then they compound it over and over again. Every border jumper is a criminal. Every one and when I say that, I also include everyone who has over-stayed their Visas or any other similar situation.
[/quote]

Ah, nonsense, your nation has a lot of laws that are worthy of contempt, as has mine.

Since it is a fair guess that every American commits at least three felonies A DAY you will have a hard time respecting anybody, including yourself.

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594032556[/quote]

Yes, the US has many flawed laws and yet the laws that regulate entrance into the country are still valid and thus so is her statement. Because you may or may not like a particular law does not invalidate it.

MaximusB · May 2, 2010, 8:34pm

[quote]Bullmoose33 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Drew,

How in the blue fuck are you going to compare the situation between the Jews in WW2 or the Civil Rights Movement of the 60’s to illegal aliens coming here illegally? The Jews were facing genocide and racial extermination, no need to explain further as to why they would oppose it. The Blacks (who were brought here by slave traders against their will) were now freed, and deserved to be given equal rights. Illegals crossing the border (by their own accord) think they have the same struggle? Puh-lease.

How are you comparing the rounding up of Jews, sent to camps to be gassed to illegals being deported ? This might be one of the worst failed comparisons I have seen on the boards ever. Because you jumped on the media hype train just for shock value. What should the citizens of Arizona do? Just shut up, pay more taxes for more illegals coming here, hope they don’t get caught in the crossfire between cops and kidnappers and drug smugglers. Dude, AZ is 2nd only to Colombia in kidnapping in the world, and since you are in Colorado, I don’t think you get a grasp of what it’s like there. Take a look at Mexico’s immigration policy and tell me who is the real racist here…

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14632[/quote]

Comparing anything to the goverment sponsored extermination of 6 million people is no bueno. [/quote]

Not to Drew, apparently being deported and exterminated are the same thing in his mind.

orion · May 2, 2010, 9:11pm

[quote]JoeGood wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Twist it and turn it anyway you want, but the border jumping criminals are not worthy of my respect and regard when they demonstrate that the [u]laws of my nation are below their notice if they do not suit their wants[/u]. That is just the first law they break, their first crime and then they compound it over and over again. Every border jumper is a criminal. Every one and when I say that, I also include everyone who has over-stayed their Visas or any other similar situation.
[/quote]

Ah, nonsense, your nation has a lot of laws that are worthy of contempt, as has mine.

Since it is a fair guess that every American commits at least three felonies A DAY you will have a hard time respecting anybody, including yourself.

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594032556[/quote]

Yes, the US has many flawed laws and yet the laws that regulate entrance into the country are still valid and thus so is her statement. Because you may or may not like a particular law does not invalidate it. [/quote]

“Invalidate” ?

What is there to invalidate?

“Criminal” is a definition that does not necessarily have to have any emotions attached to it.

As far as “criminals” go they would have to do a lot more than crossing imaginary lines to really bother me.

Also, she is a criminal, you are a criminal, I am a criminal, we are all criminals, so what those the label “criminal” even mean anymore?

Tiribulus · May 2, 2010, 9:42pm

[quote]orion wrote:
<<< “Invalidate” ?

What is there to invalidate?

“Criminal” is a definition that does not necessarily have to have any emotions attached to it.

As far as “criminals” go they would have to do a lot more than crossing imaginary lines to really bother me.

Also, she is a criminal, you are a criminal, I am a criminal, we are all criminals, so what those the label “criminal” even mean anymore?

[/quote]
You are really are sumthin else man LOL!!!

Imaginary lines? You will jump and down denying this, but without those public lines no private security is possible. Any assertion to the contrary is entirely speculative while the whole of human history is comprehensively stocked with the unavoidable necessity of international borders.

Also, 90% of the world’s laws being bullshit, including those of the United States, does not mean therefore that ALL laws are.

Just because 95% of the people who ever touch a piece of training equipment never gain even 5lbs of muscle and do everything wrong, if they stick with it at all, doesn’t mean that lifting weights doesn’t work.

JoeGood · May 2, 2010, 11:36pm

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]JoeGood wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Twist it and turn it anyway you want, but the border jumping criminals are not worthy of my respect and regard when they demonstrate that the [u]laws of my nation are below their notice if they do not suit their wants[/u]. That is just the first law they break, their first crime and then they compound it over and over again. Every border jumper is a criminal. Every one and when I say that, I also include everyone who has over-stayed their Visas or any other similar situation.
[/quote]

Ah, nonsense, your nation has a lot of laws that are worthy of contempt, as has mine.

Since it is a fair guess that every American commits at least three felonies A DAY you will have a hard time respecting anybody, including yourself.

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594032556[/quote]

Yes, the US has many flawed laws and yet the laws that regulate entrance into the country are still valid and thus so is her statement. Because you may or may not like a particular law does not invalidate it. [/quote]

“Invalidate” ?

What is there to invalidate?

“Criminal” is a definition that does not necessarily have to have any emotions attached to it.

As far as “criminals” go they would have to do a lot more than crossing imaginary lines to really bother me.

Also, she is a criminal, you are a criminal, I am a criminal, we are all criminals, so what those the label “criminal” even mean anymore?

[/quote]

It is meaningless if it bothers you, your opinion has no standing.

OctoberGirl · May 3, 2010, 12:44am

[quote]drewh wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]drewh wrote:

Natural resources mean nothing for a revolution. You are blowing smoke up your ass if you get offended by whitey Jewed down while funny I can see as being offensive. I guess this country was built off cowards then, people just running from their problems. The Native Americans must be some tough ass SOB’s.

Oh and I welcome a history lesson, the term great is relative and it does not make what the Japanese or the white man (better) did any better. But anyways that is in the past and I don’t want to beat a dead horse. Oh and that would have been pretty stupid and would have started shit with the USSR.[/quote]

What does, “Natural resources mean nothing for a revolution.” mean? What I said was the Mexican people already have everything they need in their own country.

I do get offended when someone uses the terms “whitey” and “jewed down” as a term of insult because then the intention is to insult me. Just like you using the term Whitey in the context of this topic. You used it to be disparaging towards whites.

The people that ran here were still part of their country and then had a revolution. Do you really not know this? Are you going to call every nation a coward? Which wasn’t a word I used to associate for the Mexicans but apparently you must see them that way as you introduced the word in relation to their actions. And your very juvenile jab at my Jew ancestors being cowards, she left France after they tried to put her on a train after beating the rest of her family to death. It isn’t the minorities fleeing Mexico because they are being carted off to ovens or shot and dumped in mass graves. Analogies are always weak as your’s so aptly exemplifies.

Twist it and turn it anyway you want, but the border jumping criminals are not worthy of my respect and regard when they demonstrate that the [u]laws of my nation are below their notice if they do not suit their wants[/u]. That is just the first law they break, their first crime and then they compound it over and over again. Every border jumper is a criminal. Every one and when I say that, I also include everyone who has over-stayed their Visas or any other similar situation.

Someone in this thread mentioned how the Depression will take care of this because when the money is gone the people and government of the United States will react finally to the problem because their won’t be anything extra to dole out to the border jumpers. He’s right.[/quote]

My bad you called an entire group lazy not cowards. Even though they risk a lot coming over to work shitty manual labor jobs.
As for the Jew comparison I was using it as a comparison for the sole purpose of saying how stupid it was for her to say that they are lazy for coming over. Nothing more. And people act as if there aren’t drug wars in Mexico you wouldn’t want to stick around for that shit either. [/quote]

Just the criminal border jumpers. =)

And stop trying to make them seem so noble and industrious. Not every border jumper is out there working such long hard days. Many of them are on the dole and are even getting Section 8 housing, free college tuition, free food from the Food Bank as well as Food Stamps and even gasoline credit cards.

There is some trouble NEAR THE BORDERS OF MEXICO. Because THE BORDER JUMPERS are at the BORDER trying to BRING DRUGS INTO THE UNITED STATES. Which is why the dangerous part of Mexico is the border. They are not having that problem in the touristy areas such as Rosarito or Acapulco.

OctoberGirl · May 3, 2010, 12:43am

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Twist it and turn it anyway you want, but the border jumping criminals are not worthy of my respect and regard when they demonstrate that the [u]laws of my nation are below their notice if they do not suit their wants[/u]. That is just the first law they break, their first crime and then they compound it over and over again. Every border jumper is a criminal. Every one and when I say that, I also include everyone who has over-stayed their Visas or any other similar situation.
[/quote]

Ah, nonsense, your nation has a lot of laws that are worthy of contempt, as has mine.

Since it is a fair guess that every American commits at least three felonies A DAY you will have a hard time respecting anybody, including yourself.

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594032556[/quote]

Nah, not a good counterpoint. My first act in my nation wasn’t to deliberately break a law and become a criminal to achieve my wants. And to then demand more monies from the people who they are already stealing from in terms of wages, benefits, safety and life betterment.

nah, not a good one orion.

drewh · May 3, 2010, 2:16am