[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Illinois Congressman Luis Gutierrez got arrested at the rally today, nothing like leadership like that…
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/01/immigration.rallies/[/quote]
Awesome standing up for something he believes in.
[quote]drewh wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Illinois Congressman Luis Gutierrez got arrested at the rally today, nothing like leadership like that…
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/01/immigration.rallies/[/quote]
Awesome standing up for something he believes in. [/quote]
Promoting the breaking of the law? Too bad it’s not a felony, he would not be allowed to be in Congress.
What would you suggest to someone like me, who came here legally Drew? I see the idea of amnesty as a slap in the face, should I just duck?
[quote]drewh wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]drewh wrote:
[quote]MusselQuest wrote:
Why is Arizona just now passing this bill? It passed in Prince William County, Virginia 3 years ago and I literally saw its enforcement within 3 days. PWC isn’t a bumfuck county either, it’s loaded with latinos and most minorities. Go to places like Woodbridge, where minorities are the majority. People were telling me to watch out because they might book me. BS, all I had to do was speak and have proper I.D. on me at all time. [/quote]
You shouldn’t have to.[/quote]
Can you tell me one civilized country where non-citizens are not required to carry their documents on them at all times? Before you scream “USA!”, the 1940 Immigration Act requires this, whether it is a visa or green card, you are required to carry it on your person at all times.
Shove it in your wallet, like normal people do, the way citizens carry their drivers license, and you are fine. If you don’t like it, don’t come here, or don’t cry when you get deported for it. If you are a foreigner, it is a privilege to be here, not a right.
I really don’t know what the big deal is. Senate Democrats are trying to push a National ID card with fingerprint info on it, requiring EVERYONE to carry it. This is another form of “papers” but no one is crying. [/quote]
no shit the argument has never been that foreigners should have to have documentation the problem is that minority u.s. citizens should have too carry documentation.
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Blame your amigos from south of the border. Funny how we don’t have this problem with our northern neighbors. Goddam gringos, how dare they respect borders and laws.
When did i bring up amnesty. i don’t like it many, undocumented workers don’t want to be citizens anyway. workers programs, making the citizenship process easier, i support that
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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
<<< regulations are laws , plain and simple , A regulation on Oil rigs may have prevented the ecological disaster down in Louisiana[/quote]
I’m gonna go way out on a limb and guess that BP was plenty motivated not to have this publicity and enormous cost regardless of any regulation or lack thereof.[/quote]
Something failed, and when the consumer pay the bill , what loss will they recieve, their stock will drop for a while but will rebound
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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
With all due respect, you can suck a fat dick. I normally don’t like to go there, but you are certainly gonna wear that one.
I had family who took care of and fed American soldiers who fought Nazis. Talk to someone who has dealt with a foreign army invading with tanks, planes, and soldiers.
You are trying to compare the destruction of entire countries and the genocide of Jews to deporting illegal aliens? Dude w.t.f. ? These people are being deported, not fucking gassed.
Honest to God, you think Tea Party people are fanning the flames about health care ? Tell me one country, other than the US, who doesn’t deport those present illegally ? I cannot think of one.
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No, I am comparing the Germans blaming their problems on the Jews to the Americans blaming their problems on the Mexicans. And I’m sorry if you’ve got the GOP’s balls covering up your eyes, but that’s certainly how it looks from my end.
In this country, the officers do not have the right to randomly stop you and ask if you’re a citizen, and if you don’t have the right paperwork, they cart your ass off.
What’s going to happen for all of the Mexicans who are actually citizens who don’t feel like carrying their fucking birth certificate on them all the time? So because they look dark, they’re going to have to continually prove that they were born here? Sounds good. Not like fucking profiling one bit.
And if you fools don’t think that LEOs are going to use this to harass the living fuck out of whomever they don’t like, you’re completely ignorant.
And what are you people doing? Blaming all the healthcare problems on the Mexicans, when it’s far more complicated than that. You’re simplifying a massively complex issue so you can blame the illegals… familiar? Not at all.
Get your fucking boots together folks, I think the Tea Party rallies are gonna be using some fun marching techniques. [/quote]
what would you sugest on the best way to deal with illegal immigration?[/quote]
Get rid of the welfare programs and open up the border. Anyone that can make it hear working will stay, whoever can’t will leave.[/quote]
I am sure this country would rival Afganistan when you were done with it :)[/quote]
Oh yeah, because I’m sure we’d have terrorist groups that raided villages, stole and pillaged, and a theocracy and a foreign government over us.[/quote]
It may take a while , but alot of these middle Eastern Countries used to be pretty progressive , most were severely mismanaged by IDIOTS 
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Sorry if I want to avoid being managed by anyone even if they are a genius.[/quote]
I think you would be welcome where there are no laws , that is what regulation is . I personally like living in a lawfull society . I doubt you will convince many of us to give up our laws . I can see picking and choosing but not throwing out the baby withthe bath water[/quote]
When did I say that, but ever heard of Rule of Law, we have already thrown out the baby with the bath water. Most students in social studies do not even learn about Rule of Law, and that is what this country was founded on.[/quote]
regulations are laws , plain and simple , A regulation on Oil rigs may have prevented the ecological disaster down in Louisiana[/quote]
Good job, I applaud you for putting two plus two together. However, this country does not follow Rule of Law like it was established to.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]drewh wrote:
[quote]MusselQuest wrote:
Why is Arizona just now passing this bill? It passed in Prince William County, Virginia 3 years ago and I literally saw its enforcement within 3 days. PWC isn’t a bumfuck county either, it’s loaded with latinos and most minorities. Go to places like Woodbridge, where minorities are the majority. People were telling me to watch out because they might book me. BS, all I had to do was speak and have proper I.D. on me at all time. [/quote]
You shouldn’t have to.[/quote]
Can you tell me one civilized country where non-citizens are not required to carry their documents on them at all times? Before you scream “USA!”, the 1940 Immigration Act requires this, whether it is a visa or green card, you are required to carry it on your person at all times.
Shove it in your wallet, like normal people do, the way citizens carry their drivers license, and you are fine. If you don’t like it, don’t come here, or don’t cry when you get deported for it. If you are a foreigner, it is a privilege to be here, not a right.
I really don’t know what the big deal is. Senate Democrats are trying to push a National ID card with fingerprint info on it, requiring EVERYONE to carry it. This is another form of “papers” but no one is crying. [/quote]
I am, I do not carry any ID.
[quote]drewh wrote:
When did i bring up amnesty. i don’t like it many, undocumented workers don’t want to be citizens anyway. workers programs, making the citizenship process easier, i support that[/quote]
Yes they do, because alot comes with being a citizen. Did those illegal aliens even try to come legally? Was it too troublesome? The citizenship process shouldn’t be easy, I like Mexico’s policy on their citizenship. You have to show proof of a valid bank account, showing you are not a burden to the system.
Most of the people who come from south of the border take more than they contribute, that’s my beef, just one among many.
start shooting at everyone trying to cross illegally. Should solve the problem fairly quickly.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]drewh wrote:
When did i bring up amnesty. i don’t like it many, undocumented workers don’t want to be citizens anyway. workers programs, making the citizenship process easier, i support that[/quote]
Yes they do, because alot comes with being a citizen. Did those illegal aliens even try to come legally? Was it too troublesome? The citizenship process shouldn’t be easy, I like Mexico’s policy on their citizenship. You have to show proof of a valid bank account, showing you are not a burden to the system.
Most of the people who come from south of the border take more than they contribute, that’s my beef, just one among many. [/quote]
ehh not really most pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits. and why should it be hard to become a citizen it just complicates things. many who cross do what they have to to earn a living. it’s a huge misconception that they want to become citizens because often times they will leave their family’s back while they work and send back money
[quote]StevenF wrote:
start shooting at everyone trying to cross illegally. Should solve the problem fairly quickly. [/quote]
we aren’t the gdr asshole
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
<<< regulations are laws , plain and simple , A regulation on Oil rigs may have prevented the ecological disaster down in Louisiana[/quote]
I’m gonna go way out on a limb and guess that BP was plenty motivated not to have this publicity and enormous cost regardless of any regulation or lack thereof.[/quote]
Something failed, and when the consumer pay the bill , what loss will they recieve, their stock will drop for a while but will rebound[/quote]
Welcome to the big bad world. I guarantee you right here and now that some long held and practiced procedure or other was not followed or… OR a technology failure beyond anybody’s control occurred. In either case more regulation would have and will not make any difference whatsoever.
I am going to comment further in the other thread about this.
[quote]drewh wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]drewh wrote:
When did i bring up amnesty. i don’t like it many, undocumented workers don’t want to be citizens anyway. workers programs, making the citizenship process easier, i support that[/quote]
Yes they do, because alot comes with being a citizen. Did those illegal aliens even try to come legally? Was it too troublesome? The citizenship process shouldn’t be easy, I like Mexico’s policy on their citizenship. You have to show proof of a valid bank account, showing you are not a burden to the system.
Most of the people who come from south of the border take more than they contribute, that’s my beef, just one among many. [/quote]
ehh not really most pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits. and why should it be hard to become a citizen it just complicates things. many who cross do what they have to to earn a living. it’s a huge misconception that they want to become citizens because often times they will leave their family’s back while they work and send back money[/quote]
That is such a La Raza myth that they (the illegal border jumping criminals) pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits. Surveys are done by those willing to take part in surveys. So many more run from folks who look official with a clipboard. Get your mind to realize that things are a very nebulous estimate weighted on the side of the cheery propoganda from the Mecha Society.
Come to California and take a look around. And please try to wrap your head around the fact that the survey takers only count the illegals that they find that will participate in surveys.
ALSO that some of these “such wonderful illegals contributing to our tax system” are using [u]STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS[/u]. I know first hand of people who have had their identities stolen and their credit destroyed by border jumping criminals.
Why would I want anyone as a fellow citizen who’s first act upon entering my nation is to commit a crime? Who has decided that the laws of my nation are irrelevant to their wants?
Mexico has a wealth of resources. Why don’t they fix their own country and have a revolution like the Americans did?
I have picked fruit in Modesto in the hot summer months so do not give me this bull about whites not doing the work they do. Even if things have changed now, nothing exists in a vacuum. If the illegal border jumping criminals are finally kept out of our country, then the jobs will be filled. Really, it will happen.
I will bet you $5.00 real American dollars. Don’t worry, our nation will not come to a halt. In fact our economy would improve. Wages would go up, the economy would have more money being cycled through, more people with benefits from their employers, less unemployment, and less burden on us tax payers.
Sounds like a win-win situation.
Mexicans can and do immigrate legally. The issue is those who choose to flout the law and have no regard for my nation and my nation’s resources because that is not their whim. Those people have no regard for the citizens of the United States. They also do not want to be part of the system where their taxes will have to help pay for the benefits on which they gorge.
It is an insult to every person who has every immigrated legally.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]drewh wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]drewh wrote:
When did i bring up amnesty. i don’t like it many, undocumented workers don’t want to be citizens anyway. workers programs, making the citizenship process easier, i support that[/quote]
Yes they do, because alot comes with being a citizen. Did those illegal aliens even try to come legally? Was it too troublesome? The citizenship process shouldn’t be easy, I like Mexico’s policy on their citizenship. You have to show proof of a valid bank account, showing you are not a burden to the system.
Most of the people who come from south of the border take more than they contribute, that’s my beef, just one among many. [/quote]
ehh not really most pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits. and why should it be hard to become a citizen it just complicates things. many who cross do what they have to to earn a living. it’s a huge misconception that they want to become citizens because often times they will leave their family’s back while they work and send back money[/quote]
That is such a La Raza myth that they (the illegal border jumping criminals) pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits. Surveys are done by those willing to take part in surveys. So many more run from folks who look official with a clipboard. Get your mind to realize that things are a very nebulous estimate weighted on the side of the cheery propoganda from the Mecha Society.
Come to California and take a look around. And please try to wrap your head around the fact that the survey takers only count the illegals that they find that will participate in surveys.
ALSO that some of these “such wonderful illegals contributing to our tax system” are using [u]STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS[/u]. I know first hand of people who have had their identities stolen and their credit destroyed by border jumping criminals.
Why would I want anyone as a fellow citizen who’s first act upon entering my nation is to commit a crime? Who has decided that the laws of my nation are irrelevant to their wants?
Mexico has a wealth of resources. Why don’t they fix their own country and have a revolution like the Americans did?
I have picked fruit in Modesto in the hot summer months so do not give me this bull about whites not doing the work they do. Even if things have changed now, nothing exists in a vacuum. If the illegal border jumping criminals are finally kept out of our country, then the jobs will be filled. Really, it will happen.
I will bet you $5.00 real American dollars. Don’t worry, our nation will not come to a halt. In fact our economy would improve. Wages would go up, the economy would have more money being cycled through, more people with benefits from their employers, less unemployment, and less burden on us tax payers.
Sounds like a win-win situation.
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No the jobs won’t just look at unemployment rates. Again basic stats show that only jobs are taken from minorities not whitey who seems to have it best but complain the most. And you are seriously going to try and bring up the American revolution, seriously. Name one modern revolution that has worked out well???
You picked the fruit lmao.
[quote]drewh wrote:
You picked the fruit lmao.[/quote]
Yes, because I was 13yrs old and wanted money to go to Magic Mountain and my parent’s made me earn my money. Not like the hand-outs the border jumpers get.