AZ Immigration Law Signed

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

With all due respect, you can suck a fat dick. I normally don’t like to go there, but you are certainly gonna wear that one.

I had family who took care of and fed American soldiers who fought Nazis. Talk to someone who has dealt with a foreign army invading with tanks, planes, and soldiers.

You are trying to compare the destruction of entire countries and the genocide of Jews to deporting illegal aliens? Dude w.t.f. ? These people are being deported, not fucking gassed.

Honest to God, you think Tea Party people are fanning the flames about health care ? Tell me one country, other than the US, who doesn’t deport those present illegally ? I cannot think of one.
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No, I am comparing the Germans blaming their problems on the Jews to the Americans blaming their problems on the Mexicans. And I’m sorry if you’ve got the GOP’s balls covering up your eyes, but that’s certainly how it looks from my end.

In this country, the officers do not have the right to randomly stop you and ask if you’re a citizen, and if you don’t have the right paperwork, they cart your ass off. What’s going to happen for all of the Mexicans who are actually citizens who don’t feel like carrying their fucking birth certificate on them all the time? So because they look dark, they’re going to have to continually prove that they were born here? Sounds good. Not like fucking profiling one bit.

And if you fools don’t think that LEOs are going to use this to harass the living fuck out of whomever they don’t like, you’re completely ignorant.

And what are you people doing? Blaming all the healthcare problems on the Mexicans, when it’s far more complicated than that. You’re simplifying a massively complex issue so you can blame the illegals… familiar? Not at all.

Get your fucking boots together folks, I think the Tea Party rallies are gonna be using some fun marching techniques. [/quote]

what would you sugest on the best way to deal with illegal immigration?[/quote]

Get rid of the welfare programs and open up the border. Anyone that can make it hear working will stay, whoever can’t will leave.[/quote]

I am sure this country would rival Afganistan when you were done with it :)[/quote]

Oh yeah, because I’m sure we’d have terrorist groups that raided villages, stole and pillaged, and a theocracy and a foreign government over us.[/quote]

It may take a while , but alot of these middle Eastern Countries used to be pretty progressive , most were severely mismanaged by IDIOTS :slight_smile: [/quote]

Sorry if I want to avoid being managed by anyone even if they are a genius.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

With all due respect, you can suck a fat dick. I normally don’t like to go there, but you are certainly gonna wear that one.

I had family who took care of and fed American soldiers who fought Nazis. Talk to someone who has dealt with a foreign army invading with tanks, planes, and soldiers.

You are trying to compare the destruction of entire countries and the genocide of Jews to deporting illegal aliens? Dude w.t.f. ? These people are being deported, not fucking gassed.

Honest to God, you think Tea Party people are fanning the flames about health care ? Tell me one country, other than the US, who doesn’t deport those present illegally ? I cannot think of one.
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No, I am comparing the Germans blaming their problems on the Jews to the Americans blaming their problems on the Mexicans. And I’m sorry if you’ve got the GOP’s balls covering up your eyes, but that’s certainly how it looks from my end.

In this country, the officers do not have the right to randomly stop you and ask if you’re a citizen, and if you don’t have the right paperwork, they cart your ass off. What’s going to happen for all of the Mexicans who are actually citizens who don’t feel like carrying their fucking birth certificate on them all the time? So because they look dark, they’re going to have to continually prove that they were born here? Sounds good. Not like fucking profiling one bit.

And if you fools don’t think that LEOs are going to use this to harass the living fuck out of whomever they don’t like, you’re completely ignorant.

And what are you people doing? Blaming all the healthcare problems on the Mexicans, when it’s far more complicated than that. You’re simplifying a massively complex issue so you can blame the illegals… familiar? Not at all.

Get your fucking boots together folks, I think the Tea Party rallies are gonna be using some fun marching techniques. [/quote]

what would you sugest on the best way to deal with illegal immigration?[/quote]

Get rid of the welfare programs and open up the border. Anyone that can make it hear working will stay, whoever can’t will leave.[/quote]

I am sure this country would rival Afganistan when you were done with it :)[/quote]

Oh yeah, because I’m sure we’d have terrorist groups that raided villages, stole and pillaged, and a theocracy and a foreign government over us.[/quote]

It may take a while , but alot of these middle Eastern Countries used to be pretty progressive , most were severely mismanaged by IDIOTS :slight_smile: [/quote]

Sorry if I want to avoid being managed by anyone even if they are a genius.[/quote]

I think you would be welcome where there are no laws , that is what regulation is . I personally like living in a lawfull society . I doubt you will convince many of us to give up our laws . I can see picking and choosing but not throwing out the baby withthe bath water

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

Get rid of the welfare programs and open up the border. Anyone that can make it hear working will stay, whoever can’t will leave.[/quote]

You open up the border and you’d just get MORE welfare programs. Poverty stricken border runners are going to vote for which political platform? [/quote]

Not if we got rid of the welfare programs, and only allowed land owners to vote.[/quote]

Not happening.

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[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
If only we could get something like this drafted and signed in california…

I wonder what the impact this bill have on republican/latino relations in the future.[/quote]

Yesss. Chase the largest minority directly into our arms. MORE! MOOOOAARRRR!!!

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Countries that have stricter immigration laws are stagnating. Our industrialized nation is

1.)living longer, which costs money

2.) not reproducing enough.

so we NEED immigrants. Furthermore, their cheap labor drives down costs and benefits society. It carries over into other industries when people have more money to spend… Simply put, its all about supply and demand - and they wouldn’t be here if there was no demand for them.[/quote]

This sounds like a free-market arguement for open immigration. Unfortunately, there is no free market. What happens is that other tax-payers subsidize the cost of unskilled-illegal- labor for the benefit of some employer looking for the cheapest worker.

We pay their ER bills, we send their anchor babies to school, we pay the extra policing for all the crime inside (and pouring out of) their ghettos. When they get some idiot to grant them amnesty next time, we’ll be funding their subsidized health-care plan, too.

We pay all the social and financial costs for a population which, even generations later, still doesn’t achieve. A Demographic which by the way is quickly outreproducing the very people who carry the burden of funding the social costs. Now that, isn’t a very good combination.

I’d rather have a succesful shrinking population then see it replaced by a population that can’t keep a father in the home for even half of it’s families. Cause guess who pays that child support? We do. Just so some contractor can cut his costs. Hire some blacks.

Sure, you might have to pay more, but maybe some of them will actually be able to afford a damn home now that their blue collar work isn’t being handed off to interlopers who are willing to pack themselves into a single apartment like eggs in carton.

And maybe, just maybe, with steady, reliable, low-skilled work, within a generation or two, their descendents will be climbing to the next rung on the socio-economic ladder.[/quote]

Wow. As the resident PC police I am officially appalled. However, I unfortunately kind of agree with you.

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Why is Arizona just now passing this bill? It passed in Prince William County, Virginia 3 years ago and I literally saw its enforcement within 3 days. PWC isn’t a bumfuck county either, it’s loaded with latinos and most minorities. Go to places like Woodbridge, where minorities are the majority. People were telling me to watch out because they might book me. BS, all I had to do was speak and have proper I.D. on me at all time.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
It’s interesting how many duties the Government has according to the liberal mind. Oddly enough, enforcing/protecting our borders is not one of those. Neither is protecting the citizen tax-payer from being exploited by illegal foreign nationals. The federal government failed for far too long. So, when a state with a huge problem dares (how friggen dare they!) to do something effective at the state level, the Federal nit-wits and their peanut-gallery cry foul. Where the hell were you when hundreds of thousands of illegals poured into AZ? Exactly, nowhere.

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Where were the liberals? Where were Reagan, Bush, and Bush II?

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
An AZ deputy was shot in the abdomen by an AK-47 this afternooon by illegal alien drug smugglers, when he called in for help, Border Patrol and other law enforcement showed up to assist. A police helicopter came on the scene, to which the drug smugglers started shooting at the chopper.

Yea, we don’t need to law. We have to protect the smugglers and kidnappers, they are worth more than the citizens of AZ. This is fucking ridiculous.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/6984474.html[/quote]

Obama is in favor of better border security at least. Meaning a harder time for smugglers who theoretically hafta cross and recross the border.

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[quote]MusselQuest wrote:
Why is Arizona just now passing this bill? It passed in Prince William County, Virginia 3 years ago and I literally saw its enforcement within 3 days. PWC isn’t a bumfuck county either, it’s loaded with latinos and most minorities. Go to places like Woodbridge, where minorities are the majority. People were telling me to watch out because they might book me. BS, all I had to do was speak and have proper I.D. on me at all time. [/quote]
You shouldn’t have to.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
An AZ deputy was shot in the abdomen by an AK-47 this afternooon by illegal alien drug smugglers, when he called in for help, Border Patrol and other law enforcement showed up to assist. A police helicopter came on the scene, to which the drug smugglers started shooting at the chopper.

Yea, we don’t need to law. We have to protect the smugglers and kidnappers, they are worth more than the citizens of AZ. This is fucking ridiculous.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/6984474.html[/quote]

So someone who takes a gun and goes after people who supply goods people actually want gets shot while doing so.

Fucking tragedy.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

Sorry if I want to avoid being managed by anyone even if they are a genius.[/quote]

Especially not by those, because intellectual arrogance and guns dont mix well.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

With all due respect, you can suck a fat dick. I normally don’t like to go there, but you are certainly gonna wear that one.

I had family who took care of and fed American soldiers who fought Nazis. Talk to someone who has dealt with a foreign army invading with tanks, planes, and soldiers.

You are trying to compare the destruction of entire countries and the genocide of Jews to deporting illegal aliens? Dude w.t.f. ? These people are being deported, not fucking gassed.

Honest to God, you think Tea Party people are fanning the flames about health care ? Tell me one country, other than the US, who doesn’t deport those present illegally ? I cannot think of one.
[/quote]

No, I am comparing the Germans blaming their problems on the Jews to the Americans blaming their problems on the Mexicans. And I’m sorry if you’ve got the GOP’s balls covering up your eyes, but that’s certainly how it looks from my end.

In this country, the officers do not have the right to randomly stop you and ask if you’re a citizen, and if you don’t have the right paperwork, they cart your ass off. What’s going to happen for all of the Mexicans who are actually citizens who don’t feel like carrying their fucking birth certificate on them all the time? So because they look dark, they’re going to have to continually prove that they were born here? Sounds good. Not like fucking profiling one bit.

And if you fools don’t think that LEOs are going to use this to harass the living fuck out of whomever they don’t like, you’re completely ignorant.

And what are you people doing? Blaming all the healthcare problems on the Mexicans, when it’s far more complicated than that. You’re simplifying a massively complex issue so you can blame the illegals… familiar? Not at all.

Get your fucking boots together folks, I think the Tea Party rallies are gonna be using some fun marching techniques. [/quote]

what would you sugest on the best way to deal with illegal immigration?[/quote]

Get rid of the welfare programs and open up the border. Anyone that can make it hear working will stay, whoever can’t will leave.[/quote]

I am sure this country would rival Afganistan when you were done with it :)[/quote]

Oh yeah, because I’m sure we’d have terrorist groups that raided villages, stole and pillaged, and a theocracy and a foreign government over us.[/quote]

It may take a while , but alot of these middle Eastern Countries used to be pretty progressive , most were severely mismanaged by IDIOTS :slight_smile: [/quote]

Sorry if I want to avoid being managed by anyone even if they are a genius.[/quote]

I think you would be welcome where there are no laws , that is what regulation is . I personally like living in a lawfull society . I doubt you will convince many of us to give up our laws . I can see picking and choosing but not throwing out the baby withthe bath water[/quote]

When did I say that, but ever heard of Rule of Law, we have already thrown out the baby with the bath water. Most students in social studies do not even learn about Rule of Law, and that is what this country was founded on.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

Get rid of the welfare programs and open up the border. Anyone that can make it hear working will stay, whoever can’t will leave.[/quote]

You open up the border and you’d just get MORE welfare programs. Poverty stricken border runners are going to vote for which political platform? [/quote]

Not if we got rid of the welfare programs, and only allowed land owners to vote.[/quote]

Not happening.[/quote]

It was a joke, but land owners usually are more freedom orientated and are more knowledgeable about how to go about tolerance and liberty than other people.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

With all due respect, you can suck a fat dick. I normally don’t like to go there, but you are certainly gonna wear that one.

I had family who took care of and fed American soldiers who fought Nazis. Talk to someone who has dealt with a foreign army invading with tanks, planes, and soldiers.

You are trying to compare the destruction of entire countries and the genocide of Jews to deporting illegal aliens? Dude w.t.f. ? These people are being deported, not fucking gassed.

Honest to God, you think Tea Party people are fanning the flames about health care ? Tell me one country, other than the US, who doesn’t deport those present illegally ? I cannot think of one.
[/quote]

No, I am comparing the Germans blaming their problems on the Jews to the Americans blaming their problems on the Mexicans. And I’m sorry if you’ve got the GOP’s balls covering up your eyes, but that’s certainly how it looks from my end.

In this country, the officers do not have the right to randomly stop you and ask if you’re a citizen, and if you don’t have the right paperwork, they cart your ass off. What’s going to happen for all of the Mexicans who are actually citizens who don’t feel like carrying their fucking birth certificate on them all the time? So because they look dark, they’re going to have to continually prove that they were born here? Sounds good. Not like fucking profiling one bit.

And if you fools don’t think that LEOs are going to use this to harass the living fuck out of whomever they don’t like, you’re completely ignorant.

And what are you people doing? Blaming all the healthcare problems on the Mexicans, when it’s far more complicated than that. You’re simplifying a massively complex issue so you can blame the illegals… familiar? Not at all.

Get your fucking boots together folks, I think the Tea Party rallies are gonna be using some fun marching techniques. [/quote]

what would you sugest on the best way to deal with illegal immigration?[/quote]

Get rid of the welfare programs and open up the border. Anyone that can make it hear working will stay, whoever can’t will leave.[/quote]

I am sure this country would rival Afganistan when you were done with it :)[/quote]

Oh yeah, because I’m sure we’d have terrorist groups that raided villages, stole and pillaged, and a theocracy and a foreign government over us.[/quote]

It may take a while , but alot of these middle Eastern Countries used to be pretty progressive , most were severely mismanaged by IDIOTS :slight_smile: [/quote]

Sorry if I want to avoid being managed by anyone even if they are a genius.[/quote]

I think you would be welcome where there are no laws , that is what regulation is . I personally like living in a lawfull society . I doubt you will convince many of us to give up our laws . I can see picking and choosing but not throwing out the baby withthe bath water[/quote]

When did I say that, but ever heard of Rule of Law, we have already thrown out the baby with the bath water. Most students in social studies do not even learn about Rule of Law, and that is what this country was founded on.[/quote]

regulations are laws , plain and simple , A regulation on Oil rigs may have prevented the ecological disaster down in Louisiana

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
<<< regulations are laws , plain and simple , A regulation on Oil rigs may have prevented the ecological disaster down in Louisiana[/quote]
I’m gonna go way out on a limb and guess that BP was plenty motivated not to have this publicity and enormous cost regardless of any regulation or lack thereof.

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[quote]drewh wrote:

[quote]MusselQuest wrote:
Why is Arizona just now passing this bill? It passed in Prince William County, Virginia 3 years ago and I literally saw its enforcement within 3 days. PWC isn’t a bumfuck county either, it’s loaded with latinos and most minorities. Go to places like Woodbridge, where minorities are the majority. People were telling me to watch out because they might book me. BS, all I had to do was speak and have proper I.D. on me at all time. [/quote]
You shouldn’t have to.[/quote]

Can you tell me one civilized country where non-citizens are not required to carry their documents on them at all times? Before you scream “USA!”, the 1940 Immigration Act requires this, whether it is a visa or green card, you are required to carry it on your person at all times.

Shove it in your wallet, like normal people do, the way citizens carry their drivers license, and you are fine. If you don’t like it, don’t come here, or don’t cry when you get deported for it. If you are a foreigner, it is a privilege to be here, not a right.

I really don’t know what the big deal is. Senate Democrats are trying to push a National ID card with fingerprint info on it, requiring EVERYONE to carry it. This is another form of “papers” but no one is crying.

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Illinois Congressman Luis Gutierrez got arrested at the rally today, nothing like leadership like that…

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]drewh wrote:

[quote]MusselQuest wrote:
Why is Arizona just now passing this bill? It passed in Prince William County, Virginia 3 years ago and I literally saw its enforcement within 3 days. PWC isn’t a bumfuck county either, it’s loaded with latinos and most minorities. Go to places like Woodbridge, where minorities are the majority. People were telling me to watch out because they might book me. BS, all I had to do was speak and have proper I.D. on me at all time. [/quote]
You shouldn’t have to.[/quote]

Can you tell me one civilized country where non-citizens are not required to carry their documents on them at all times? Before you scream “USA!”, the 1940 Immigration Act requires this, whether it is a visa or green card, you are required to carry it on your person at all times.

Shove it in your wallet, like normal people do, the way citizens carry their drivers license, and you are fine. If you don’t like it, don’t come here, or don’t cry when you get deported for it. If you are a foreigner, it is a privilege to be here, not a right.

I really don’t know what the big deal is. Senate Democrats are trying to push a National ID card with fingerprint info on it, requiring EVERYONE to carry it. This is another form of “papers” but no one is crying. [/quote]
no shit the argument has never been that foreigners should have to have documentation the problem is that minority u.s. citizens should have too carry documentation.