Average People Taking Low Kicks

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]9500 RPM wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]9500 RPM wrote:

[quote]Alffi wrote:
The guy in the second video seems like a little bit of a sadistic asshole.

Kicking someone with one’s shin always seemed a bit weird to me. Seems it takes out the biggest advantage there is to kicking, which is reach. Is this why it seems to be used in relatively few martial arts?[/quote]

If I throw a power kick and connect with my foot, thats all fine and dandy. However, if I hit an elbow or hip or hard part of the head with my foot, there’s a good chance it will get hurt. With a shin kick, you can throw a quicker, shorter, torquier kick without risking injury.[/quote]

The worst is hitting someone’s knee…I’ve messed up ligaments in my ankle and broken a foot. I’ve also had a fractured shinbone from catching knee even when in proper range.

As for the issues with catching someone’s elbow,most of that comes from bad or lazy kicking technique…not pivoting,turning hip over,etc…etc. [/quote]

How do you figure?[/quote]

Which part? Hitting someone’s knee…or my opinion about hitting elbows and kicking technique??[/quote]

How kicking technique or lack of determines whether you hit an elbow or not.

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[quote]9500 RPM wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]9500 RPM wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]9500 RPM wrote:

[quote]Alffi wrote:
The guy in the second video seems like a little bit of a sadistic asshole.

Kicking someone with one’s shin always seemed a bit weird to me. Seems it takes out the biggest advantage there is to kicking, which is reach. Is this why it seems to be used in relatively few martial arts?[/quote]

If I throw a power kick and connect with my foot, thats all fine and dandy. However, if I hit an elbow or hip or hard part of the head with my foot, there’s a good chance it will get hurt. With a shin kick, you can throw a quicker, shorter, torquier kick without risking injury.[/quote]

The worst is hitting someone’s knee…I’ve messed up ligaments in my ankle and broken a foot. I’ve also had a fractured shinbone from catching knee even when in proper range.

As for the issues with catching someone’s elbow,most of that comes from bad or lazy kicking technique…not pivoting,turning hip over,etc…etc. [/quote]

How do you figure?[/quote]

Which part? Hitting someone’s knee…or my opinion about hitting elbows and kicking technique??[/quote]

How kicking technique or lack of determines whether you hit an elbow or not.[/quote]

First off…I’m not saying ALL instances come from crappy technique. Because shit happens when you have a live person in front of you. Getting tired being one of them…lol. Anyways…if we’re talking about hitting the point of someone’s elbow with your feet…then there is a high chance that the trajectory of that person’s kick is staying more upwards on 45 degree plane. In other words,there is no rotation at the hip,shoulders,etc to “turn over the hip.”

That goes along with reaching for kicks and taking bad angles with setting up kicks(footwork). You might get away with some of these things if opponent keeps elbows out wide and/or too high. But if you have someone with a tight guard(elbows slightly off ribcage…dropping elbows to guard kicks)…then you’re gonna hit elbow all day if you don’t address those factors with kicking technique.

Other posters can probably break it down further or even correct me…but that’s my simplistic opinion from my experience.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]9500 RPM wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]9500 RPM wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]9500 RPM wrote:

[quote]Alffi wrote:
The guy in the second video seems like a little bit of a sadistic asshole.

Kicking someone with one’s shin always seemed a bit weird to me. Seems it takes out the biggest advantage there is to kicking, which is reach. Is this why it seems to be used in relatively few martial arts?[/quote]

If I throw a power kick and connect with my foot, thats all fine and dandy. However, if I hit an elbow or hip or hard part of the head with my foot, there’s a good chance it will get hurt. With a shin kick, you can throw a quicker, shorter, torquier kick without risking injury.[/quote]

The worst is hitting someone’s knee…I’ve messed up ligaments in my ankle and broken a foot. I’ve also had a fractured shinbone from catching knee even when in proper range.

As for the issues with catching someone’s elbow,most of that comes from bad or lazy kicking technique…not pivoting,turning hip over,etc…etc. [/quote]

How do you figure?[/quote]

Which part? Hitting someone’s knee…or my opinion about hitting elbows and kicking technique??[/quote]

How kicking technique or lack of determines whether you hit an elbow or not.[/quote]

First off…I’m not saying ALL instances come from crappy technique. Because shit happens when you have a live person in front of you. Getting tired being one of them…lol. Anyways…if we’re talking about hitting the point of someone’s elbow with your feet…then there is a high chance that the trajectory of that person’s kick is staying more upwards on 45 degree plane. In other words,there is no rotation at the hip,shoulders,etc to “turn over the hip.”

That goes along with reaching for kicks and taking bad angles with setting up kicks(footwork). You might get away with some of these things if opponent keeps elbows out wide and/or too high. But if you have someone with a tight guard(elbows slightly off ribcage…dropping elbows to guard kicks)…then you’re gonna hit elbow all day if you don’t address those factors with kicking technique.

Other posters can probably break it down further or even correct me…but that’s my simplistic opinion from my experience.
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Was just wondering what you meant. The only times I’ve hit elbows have been when they were flared or in a middle block position. With a TKD middle block, it becomes almost inevitable to hit the elbow sooner or later. Shit sucks.

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ill be honest i have never taken a leg kick and was a bit skeptical as to their usefulness outside the cage

but broken femurs… dayyyyymmmmmmmmmmmnn

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[quote]stupidlikeafox wrote:
ill be honest i have never taken a leg kick and was a bit skeptical as to their usefulness outside the cage

but broken femurs… dayyyyymmmmmmmmmmmnn

Redneck gets kicked hard by a Thai kickboxer - YouTube [/quote]

haha. “thai boxer” limps away after kicking redneck. “thai boxer” needs to work on shin conditioning.

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Talking about leg kicks and breaking one’s foot. Often times in K-1 and other kickboxing matches you see fighters wearing ankle supporters. Do they wear it because ankle can take more punishment while kicking, or for some other reason? I mean when you throw a low kick and the guy moves away and you hit him with your foot instead of shin, it hurts your ankle quite a bit if you kick hard. So when wearing ankle supporters, you are less likely to break your ankle when connecting with foot, or do the kickboxers wear them for some other reason?

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[quote]Fistiecuffs wrote:
Talking about leg kicks and breaking one’s foot. Often times in K-1 and other kickboxing matches you see fighters wearing ankle supporters. Do they wear it because ankle can take more punishment while kicking, or for some other reason? I mean when you throw a low kick and the guy moves away and you hit him with your foot instead of shin, it hurts your ankle quite a bit if you kick hard. So when wearing ankle supporters, you are less likely to break your ankle when connecting with foot, or do the kickboxers wear them for some other reason?[/quote]

this.

support. Definitley help if you misplace a kick. When i spar i tape and wear ankle supports on my right ankle. Most guys i know that have been striking for more than a while wear them to help with stability while moving and striking.

Some thai pads hurt like a mother fucker until your used to it. Ive got some decent Warrior pads and theres blood on them from peoples feet breaking open. Im not an advocate of covering up. The sting eventually goes away. u just gotta get used to that shit.

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I ONLY use my toes to kick. Big boss taught me this trick after he came across a thai priest on a mountain top, bathed in the glory of thai chi, boss knew he had to respect this dude. Thanks for the tip BB, my shins are now saved!

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[quote]Beershoes wrote:
I ONLY use my toes to kick. Big boss taught me this trick after he came across a thai priest on a mountain top, bathed in the glory of thai chi, boss knew he had to respect this dude. Thanks for the tip BB, my shins are now saved!

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Hey, I studied with that guy! He taught me to punch with only the little knuckle on each hand, because it concentrates the force of the punch into the smallest possible area for maximum damage!

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[quote]Beershoes wrote:
I ONLY use my toes to kick. Big boss taught me this trick after he came across a thai priest on a mountain top, bathed in the glory of thai chi, boss knew he had to respect this dude. Thanks for the tip BB, my shins are now saved!

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dude. did u get your senior portrait done while wearing fight gloves? If so. Awesome.

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[quote]devildog_jim wrote:

[quote]Beershoes wrote:
I ONLY use my toes to kick. Big boss taught me this trick after he came across a thai priest on a mountain top, bathed in the glory of thai chi, boss knew he had to respect this dude. Thanks for the tip BB, my shins are now saved!

[/quote]

Hey, I studied with that guy! He taught me to punch with only the little knuckle on each hand, because it concentrates the force of the punch into the smallest possible area for maximum damage![/quote]

Dude I know! I train with him and KMC! I f’n love em! You should follow KMC’s training blog!

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[quote]Alffi wrote:

[quote]Amiright wrote:
foot = many small bones
Shin = huge in comparison

Also have a shit ton of ligaments etc… in your foot… The same kick that breaks those guys shins applied to the food would be absolutely devastating to your foot. Most people that break their shins catch the knot near your knee which is like a brick wall… and their shins aren’t very conditioned.
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I stand by what I said earlier. Getting shin kicked in the foot is not very likely and the worst it would probably cause is an ankle sprain. Kicking someone in the shin with your foot has been taught for ages as both women’s self-defense and even WWII combatives. Hardly the other way around. That’s like forearm striking someone in the fist. Speaking of that, would not striking someone with the forearm then be preferred to hand strikes as the bones of the arm are bigger? Historically, most martial arts seemed not to have thought that way.[/quote]

Actually there is an Okinawan karate style that specifically uses the bones in the forearm and shin for striking and other techniques such as tuite. So although it is not widely taught and practiced there is an art to using those parts of the body as weapons. They are brutally effective close in at grappling range.

Most arts may not use those weapons but it is only because most arts emphasize staying away from an opponent. There are not a lot of arts that emphasize getting right in toe to toe and hanging in there.

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That’s hitting the sciatic nerve.

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Oh good… this thread is back.

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[quote]
Might be just my ignorance [/quote]

It is.

You have zero martial arts experience and you are trying to tell us that the most devastating form of kicks from one of if not the most devastating standup art are not as good as kicking with the foot. Please do not spread this garbage anywhere ever again.

Muay Thai kicks are LETHAL. End of story. Trust me Ive been doing Muay Thai for 7 years, was in kickboxing before that and Karate/taekwando before that.

There is a time and a place for all style of kicks. Taekwando kicks can be badass and lethal when pulled off correctly but in terms of sheer speed, power and level of difficulty (very straight forward and easy kick to learn) to pull off Muay Thai shin kicks take the gold every day of the week.

As I said before, don’t spread such nonsense around it just misinforms people.

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After reading through the entirety of the thread all I can say is that the level of stupidity, ignorance and down right misinformation being displayed by “Alaffi” is beyond astounding.

People who argue about martial arts “moves” on the internet when they have no previous practice of any form of martial arts have to be among the most downright moronic people on the entire internet, if not the world.

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[quote]Beast Status wrote:

[quote]Beershoes wrote:
I ONLY use my toes to kick. Big boss taught me this trick after he came across a thai priest on a mountain top, bathed in the glory of thai chi, boss knew he had to respect this dude. Thanks for the tip BB, my shins are now saved!

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dude. did u get your senior portrait done while wearing fight gloves? If so. Awesome.[/quote]

He is a handsome young man, isn’t he? If I caught him with my girlfriend… I’d give her a high five.

Also, leg kicks are neat.

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hey affi

check out pat barry kicking, that is a sight to behold, and i for one would never let someone especially

who train muay thai kick me in the leg or any who know proper technique for kicking kick me anyways, cuz i

i want to walk…