Are you going to ignore
? @JZT
I’m sorry, but did you just decide to add a new qualifier here? At no point in either my posts or your posts did you mention the word strict, until this one. no, it’s not strict, there is leg drive. Her strict press is probably more like 80 or so. EDIT: just asked her. She said she did 95 last week. Don’t know if this is her true max. Maybe we’ll test it soon.
Regardless, I’m getting the feeling that you are a very weak person, based on your posts. How much do you OHP? Strict or push press, I don’t care which.
lol. I can promise you it won’t take her 2 fucking years to get to a 100 strict press. What garbage website did you pull that from?
EDIT: last edit hopefully lol. I know a girl who competes in strongman who’s about 130 lbs, and she’s push pressed well over 200 overhead. both with a log and an axle. Just a side note, she’s obviously quite strong.
@JZT I get it now. I looked at your post history. You were pressing 125 for 5 reps 10 years ago. You press 135 for 10 now. I can see why your standards for a good press are so low.
I was a personal trainer for several years, training people from all different backgrounds and experience levels.
Never, did I ever see anyone as weak as you describe.
ah ok, it makes sense now
My wife who is currently out of shape is able to press the bar OHP (strict) for 5 sets of 8.
My young brother in law who is 11 has never set foot in a gym until last year was able to OHP the bar for 17 straight reps the first time he picked up a barbell.
I can’t even imagine someone NOT being able to put 45lbs over their head at least a few times.
BUT I shouldn’t be one to talk. The first time I deadlifted 135 seemed SO damn heavy to me. Weak times.
I was about as weak as any person could be, going into a weight room for the first time, being 125 lbs at 5’11. And while it was a struggle to press the empty bar the first time I tried it, even I could do it.
The claim that ‘most people can barely do it’ is clearly nonsense, and clearly driven by the agenda of justifying shitty numbers for himself. I would be willing to bet that if you took a random sample of 100 healthy adult males and tested all their maxes, you would have more guys pressing over 100 than under 60. I doubt you’d have more than 5 guys under 45, and it’s extremely possible you’d have zero under that.
10 x 135 OHP with strict form (paused down to the upper chest) is weak now? We’re not all sticking a needle up our ass buddy.
are you really suggesting that’s good progress after 10 years? serious question.
Absolutely tons of untrained people can’t bench 135. You’re saying it’s far fetched to think a lot of them can barely handle 45 with a strict standing OHP? Either your ‘‘clients’’ use piss poor form or do push presses if none ever failed 45lbs.
Then again it seems most of you have a different definition for everything. A press is a strict press by default, the bar starting to the upper chest to lockout. A push press is a different exercise. Next thing we’ll know 15 chin ups is average because you guys do half the ROM.
I could definitely do this before gear use. What a silly thing to say.
I don’t understand this comparison. Yes, a lot of people can’t bench 135. What does that have to do with overhead pressing 1/3 of that weight? That doesn’t seem like a great way to address this…
That’s the definition you use. It’s certainly not universal. In the world of competitive strongmen, that’s certainly not the definition. I never assume strict unless that’s specified. Here’s how I see it: a strict press has a specific definition. A push press has a specific definition. The word ‘press’ without a preceding adjective has an imprecise definition, and it can refer to either a push or strict press. Do you disagree with that logic? Seems to me that’s basically how English works. You had an adjective for precision of language. In the absence of such an adjective, one must assume a broader category for the noun.
You can see above that I thought 15 was a very high number. So no, that’s not average. This number is really heavily correlated with bodyweight though. I’d actually say a single chin up for a dude over 270 lbs or so is very impressive, and unusual.
It’s decent. It’s 3.6lbs/year on my 1RM on the Press, which is a hard lift to progress on and definitely not something I focused on a lot. Again, don’t compare juicing vs natural lifting. Progression isn’t linear either, as you probably know.
Once you get to a 185lbs OHP, 275 bench, 365 squat and 455 DL the resources you have to invest in order to progress come with great diminishing returns and not everyone is interested in that. If anyone can hit those numbers for reps (even a few) they’re definitely strong by any standards.
I don’t know about ANY standards… again, it seems you have a penchant for exaggeration. But yes, those are numbers you don’t see at your regular commercial gym all the time. They’re not exactly huge, but they’re pretty good. I would say they are strong for a guy with a relatively low bodyweight and natural. They are not good for someone who has either used steroids or has a bodyweight over 225ish. I personally hit higher numbers than all of those as a natural lifter under 200 lbs. Probably only 1 or 2 reps with the 185 ohp, but at least 5 on all the other lifts. And I was also kind of right on that line of looking like I lifted. Back then, most people I met assumed I spent time in the gym, although it wasn’t necessarily a given. Which is also something I factored into figuring what made sense for what I would think should look ‘strong’ to an average guy.
In fairness, the term being used was Overhead press, rather than simply “press” or “the press”. An overhead press would include any manner of pressing the bar overhead.
As a lifetime natural lifter who has a decent press, I would not consider that good progress on the press. 3.6lbs a year is very little progress, even on the press, which the internet seems to believe is a super hard lift to progress on.
Not sure why you put the word “clients” in quotation marks. They really were my clients. Kinda weird, but whatever.
Nope, that’s exactly the definition I was using.
No it isn’t, and the fact that you added the qualifier “not something I focussed on” implies that you know it isn’t, hence that little excuse you added at the end.
Nobody has mentioned steroids except you. You are attempting to discredit Flip’s opinion by bringing up his steroid use. Poor form, young man. Poor form indeed.
Also, please, if you ever decide to use steroids, do not put the needle up your ass.
Just looking out for you, man.
Wow, this thread took a serious detour…
To add my perspective to the overhead press question, I had a hard time doing reps the first time I did barbell overhead press, which was back in the 00’s when I started Crossfit, as a 40+ fat out-of-shape unathletic guy, at 5’7" 185# probably 25% body fat. I got up over a 135# (strict) overhead press doing crossfit alone for less than 2 years, while losing 20#, no focused strength training except when the WOD called for it.
If I could go from 45# to >135# in less than 2 years of crossfit, 2 years of actual strength-focused work should get any able-bodied male into that ballpark.
I assume you going by standards for your average fitness gym lifter? Because my oldest son has past those numbers and he nor myself view him as extremely strong. At under 200 and 100% clean. Which is a good thing because it he keeps a fire going for him to actually keep reaching for improvement and not sitting back and be complacent.
If the definition of average joe strong is: what numbers would a person have to lift for a casual, average gym goer to go “yeah that guys pretty strong” I’d probably have to say:
Bench: 225x5
Squat: 315x5 (going to parallel)
Deadlift: 365x5
OHP: 135x5
Pull ups: no idea honestly. I guess it completely depends on the size of the person. little guy: AT LEAST sets of 10?, a big guy: I’d say sets of 6-7?
1 mile: under 8