According to CrossFit it’s 156 for untrained and 289 for novice.
I’d say 5x135 is a good number to start with (150-160 max?) Not that you should be maxxing if you’re untrained.
Whoever said 400 - great advice. Hopefully people have enough common sense not to try a 400 lbs deadlift on their first day.
[quote]Wilba wrote:
I’d say 5 reps bodyweight for an untrained person. Tough to judge 1RM on deadlift with someone who has never trained.[/quote]
From where I am, 5 reps w/ BW is pretty strong for someone untrained.
frank29, I wouldn’t worry too much about how you rank against untrained ppl, since the averate untrained person doesn’t DL when they start working out at a gym. Everyone starts at different set points based on their age, previous activity level, genetics, limb length, bodyweight…there’s just too many factors.
Just keep your head down, grind away consistently and in about 6 mths time, you can pretty much guarantee that your DL will be impressive to an untrained person.
[quote]frank29 wrote:
I just checked exrx.net, which has a strength evaluation chart, which says that an untrained 165 lb person (my weight without the excess fat), should deadlift 137 max, and a novice (w/ 3-9 months training) should deadlift 254 max. So I guess I have decent starting strength[/quote]
say what ?
you weigh 165 if you didnt have the extra fat on you ?
but you DO have the excess fat …so you need to use the value indicated for a 200 pound person
[quote]Lindow wrote:
Only 2x bw seems alitle low to be honest. I have many friends that is around 17years old that has worked out for a year or two and has breaken that mark already, I’d say atleast 2.5-3x bw shouldn’t be to hard if you are able to stick with it[/quote]
We’re talking untrained here. I dl 2.25xbw with 9 months training. I started at 1.5x bw
well, then atleast 220-230 lbs.
last week my mate who weÃghts about 65kg deadlifted 90kg x6, he’s never trained at a gym and he isnt realy natrualy strong. he is 17.
so if you are a grown up you should be able to do that IMO, even if you weight less / more
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
From where I am, 5 reps w/ BW is pretty strong for someone untrained.[/quote]
You obviously don’t live in the intarwubs though.
I suppose an untrained starting weight for DL would depend on how much and what sort of child labour is allowed in your country.
my first deadlift was 2 45s and a 25 on each side , so 275. i had been in the gym for over a year at that point but had never done a deadlift or even squats for that matter. i was basically doing the newbie gym rat work outs.
ive been working with some intense compound exercises for the last 2 months (squats/ deadlifts/ bench press/ clean and press/ lunges/ weighted chins/ shoulder press) and have been seeing alot of gains in my physical and mental self. my hormones feel peaked , it feels great.
all to say that since i did my first 275 deadlift 2 months ago, im now up to 350 (355 lock out). by summer im hoping to be lifting 4 plates on each side (405). im doing all the important complimentary work outs that raise deadlifting capacity (squats, hamstring curls, grip workouts, heavy shrugs (315 lbs +))
i can say from personal experience that after starting these routines, ive felt great gains in hormones which have translated into intensity like ive never seen and flat out amazing power and mass gains. this is the only way to do it. im feeling bigger and better than ever and im just getting started!
fuck all that pussy 30 pounder curls and a set of bench presses bullshit. its all about INTENSITY and lifting hard
PS. get into clean and pressing, it is equally as intense and beneficial as deadlifting. my clean and press (perfect form w/ no cheating) is at a 155 max right now. im working on it!!!
i was so insanely weak and shitty when i started lifting at 130lbs skinnyfat pothead, I could do around 70 x 8 (dumbbells)
4 years later now at 210, I can pull something in the low 500s.
i work out with 2 untrained individuals. both weigh somewhere 150-160 . one is pretty athletic and DLed 275 his first time. the other (little muscle on him)hasn’t maxed yet but did 185x5. it took me months of training to get to 275 when i first started (at around 200lbs BW) so id say the average deadlift for beginners can vary greatly
When I first deadlifted, it was 135 for 10 reps at bodyweight high 120s. Six months later, to this very post my deadlift is now 265 for a double at a bodyweight of 140.
It depends on how strong the novice is. You take a guy with strong back and large strong hands- a culmination of genetics and manual labor, you can have a guy pulling 500 first day he’s pulling an olympic bar off the floor. Thena again, you can have guys for whom a 225 pull makes for a hard single. it just depends.
SOOO many fucking factors involved here to even speculate about this shit. How about you just focus on how to make it go UP without hurting yourself, hmmk?
My friend started at about half his bodyweight.
(I’m not a good example because I started with messed up form.)
But, again, it’s not a question you really need to ask – you can’t do anything about your starting point, you just get better from there.
slightly off topic but manual labor will give a huge advantage, specially being a lumberjack, it builds so strong low back that 1,5-2xBW for the first time is not impossible
when i started training i coulnd lift 225
[quote]hatesmiles wrote:
slightly off topic but manual labor will give a huge advantage, specially being a lumberjack, it builds so strong low back that 1,5-2xBW for the first time is not impossible[/quote]
In which case, you wouldn’t really be an “untrained” individual. How the hell do you even define “untrained” anyways? Construction worker, office job, gardener, Casual sports player?
Here is a quick story to give a good example for the OP:
I trained a 16 yr old, 185 lb. guy for about three months, four at the most. Before he came to me, he had no weightlifting background at all, never lifted. He hit a 355 conventional deadlift near the end of my time training him.
His only background was a lot of BMX, dirtbike, and four-wheeler racing. He was maybe 5’6, so not made to deadlift. Thats what i consider good progress.
When i started i had trouble deadlifting 230lbs =(
but give time to time and you will improve greatly