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It´s in the nature of most people to take what they want at the expense of others.
That´s not about survival it´s about caring only about the own interest.
Thereby cost benefit relations should at least be considered. However, often people are not only relentless but dumb and they neglect the cost benefit ratio or miscalculate it.

Then they pay for it. If you are interested in politics, I´m sure you´ll find a few uncomfortable examples.

That´s what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass.

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SPOILER************

The last few posts just reminded me of something:

They never explained what the wanted mineral actually did…unless I missed it. Was it for fuel or something? Or was it strictly for monetary value? OR was this intended for us to make our own assumptions?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Yet your loopy ass still was in a theater for three hours and watched it. Not like you were forced by left-wing quacks to watch it…lol.

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Actually, my wife and daughter were sitting in the lobby after their movie (Princess Frog Gets Laid or something :wink: so I went out and chatted with them with about 20 minutes to go in the Avatar. That’s how thrilling this movie was. Anyway, my sons were watching Avatar so we couldn’t leave; let 'em watch the end. I did go back for what must have been the last 5 minutes.

John Kerry’s testimony before Congress comes to the big screen as a 3D cartoon…yippee!
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I think its funny how uncomfortable some Republicans get when genocide as a means to obtain someone else’s natutral resources is portraited in a negative light.
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I think it’s funny whenever anyone twists ENTERTAINMENT into some political screening of America citizens. People that interject politics into everything can’t enjoy anything…I feel sorry for them. [/quote]

If Prof X can look for racism in every frickin’ aspect of American life, then why can’t I look for hidden meanings in (obvious) propaganda? The movie was racist as fuck too and pissed all over technology especially.

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“Racism is not the issue. Its what those races EMBRACE as a philosophy when they immigrate.”

Headhunter, From the “There’s a Lot Wrong with Britain 2” thread.

Racism is not the issue. It’s what the whites EMBRACE as a philosophy when they emigrate.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Well…I don’t want to lose too much of myself in the political skat-play of the usual suspects here. But I will say if Avatar sparks that type of nonsense and is worthy of a PWI thread…it MUST be worth a watch.

Also,I always notice that whenever HH criticizes a movie…it’s only after “catching” 15-20mins of whatever movie it is.

EDIT and if you see it in 3-D,this anti-white crap will be the furthest from your mind. You go to the movies to be entertained not for a political hand-job. [/quote]

Started yawning after an hour or so.

I know its annoying when I vocalize/write this but I get SOOOO tired of the hatred expressed for western culture in these dumb-assed movies. They play upon white self-loathing and non-whites’ desire to say: “See, we were right! You white people suck!!”, all for a sack full of money.

They don’t realize that it is western culture that brought humanity up out of the muck. Want to live on the plains of Africa? Squat by the Ganges in a mud hut? Die of starvation next to the Yellow River? Fine. Go ahead. That’s the world without technology. Its all yours.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
SPOILER************

The last few posts just reminded me of something:

They never explained what the wanted mineral actually did…unless I missed it. Was it for fuel or something? Or was it strictly for monetary value? OR was this intended for us to make our own assumptions?[/quote]

I read a Time magazine review of the movie before I went to watch it, and it broke down the plot a little bit. Unobtainium was the fuel for the ships that brought the humans to Pandora, which created a never-ending cycle of humans moving back and forth.

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[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
SPOILER************

The last few posts just reminded me of something:

They never explained what the wanted mineral actually did…unless I missed it. Was it for fuel or something? Or was it strictly for monetary value? OR was this intended for us to make our own assumptions?[/quote]

I read a Time magazine review of the movie before I went to watch it, and it broke down the plot a little bit. Unobtainium was the fuel for the ships that brought the humans to Pandora, which created a never-ending cycle of humans moving back and forth.[/quote]

Gotcha…thanks.

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This really is getting ridiculous. It’s a movie. Like Big Boss said, if it is so controversial, then you know it’s a great movie. Way to play right into what Cameron wanted. To say he isn’t a genius and saw this coming would be ignorant. And I’m sorry if I’m anti-american for believing that there is something inherently fucked up in (if it were to ever happen, this is a MOVIE afterall) mercenaries from Earth going to another planet and destroying a peaceful species for resources. If the role was reveresed and the movie was about high tech Aliens coming to earth to get resources (by destroying humans) then you guys would think it is a patriotic movie and a great one at that. Oh wait, that movie already happened…Independence Day! No one said Independence Day was about survival of the fittest. It was good vs. evil. Put the shoe on the other foot for once. Good god.

/rant over

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Well…I don’t want to lose too much of myself in the political skat-play of the usual suspects here. But I will say if Avatar sparks that type of nonsense and is worthy of a PWI thread…it MUST be worth a watch.

Also,I always notice that whenever HH criticizes a movie…it’s only after “catching” 15-20mins of whatever movie it is.

EDIT and if you see it in 3-D,this anti-white crap will be the furthest from your mind. You go to the movies to be entertained not for a political hand-job. [/quote]

Started yawning after an hour or so.

I know its annoying when I vocalize/write this but I get SOOOO tired of the hatred expressed for western culture in these dumb-assed movies. They play upon white self-loathing and non-whites’ desire to say: “See, we were right! You white people suck!!”, all for a sack full of money.

They don’t realize that it is western culture that brought humanity up out of the muck. Want to live on the plains of Africa? Squat by the Ganges in a mud hut? Die of starvation next to the Yellow River? Fine. Go ahead. That’s the world without technology. Its all yours.
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You’re rambling.

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[quote]Houston07 wrote:
This really is getting ridiculous. It’s a movie. Like Big Boss said, if it is so controversial, then you know it’s a great movie. Way to play right into what Cameron wanted. To say he isn’t a genius and saw this coming would be ignorant. And I’m sorry if I’m anti-american for believing that there is something inherently fucked up in (if it were to ever happen, this is a MOVIE afterall) mercenaries from Earth going to another planet and destroying a peaceful species for resources. If the role was reveresed and the movie was about high tech Aliens coming to earth to get resources (by destroying humans) then you guys would think it is a patriotic movie and a great one at that. Oh wait, that movie already happened…Independence Day! No one said Independence Day was about survival of the fittest. It was good vs. evil. Put the shoe on the other foot for once. Good god.

/rant over[/quote]

Well said.

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[quote]Houston07 wrote:
This really is getting ridiculous. It’s a movie. Like Big Boss said, if it is so controversial, then you know it’s a great movie. Way to play right into what Cameron wanted. To say he isn’t a genius and saw this coming would be ignorant. And I’m sorry if I’m anti-american for believing that there is something inherently fucked up in (if it were to ever happen, this is a MOVIE afterall) mercenaries from Earth going to another planet and destroying a peaceful species for resources. If the role was reveresed and the movie was about high tech Aliens coming to earth to get resources (by destroying humans) then you guys would think it is a patriotic movie and a great one at that. Oh wait, that movie already happened…Independence Day! No one said Independence Day was about survival of the fittest. It was good vs. evil. Put the shoe on the other foot for once. Good god.

/rant over[/quote]

The really sick thing about this movie is having the disabled marine turn against his own. I am all for a good movie, but there a just some lines you don’t cross.

And by the way Independence day sucked.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Well…I don’t want to lose too much of myself in the political skat-play of the usual suspects here. But I will say if Avatar sparks that type of nonsense and is worthy of a PWI thread…it MUST be worth a watch.

Also,I always notice that whenever HH criticizes a movie…it’s only after “catching” 15-20mins of whatever movie it is.

EDIT and if you see it in 3-D,this anti-white crap will be the furthest from your mind. You go to the movies to be entertained not for a political hand-job. [/quote]

Started yawning after an hour or so.

I know its annoying when I vocalize/write this but I get SOOOO tired of the hatred expressed for western culture in these dumb-assed movies. They play upon white self-loathing and non-whites’ desire to say: “See, we were right! You white people suck!!”, all for a sack full of money.

They don’t realize that it is western culture that brought humanity up out of the muck. Want to live on the plains of Africa? Squat by the Ganges in a mud hut? Die of starvation next to the Yellow River? Fine. Go ahead. That’s the world without technology. Its all yours.
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You’re rambling.[/quote]

To HH:

You do realize that Man has survived for years without advanced technology. There are still people today who shun technology and are surviving.

Not every brown person you find in another country wants your help, your religion, your technology, or whatever new disease you created. Usually they would be left alone unless they’re occupying a land that has something we need. Then we would convert them first or simply take it from them.

And as far as white people being portrayed as evil in the movie: They could diversified the cast, but typically there are more white people who are Generals, CEOs, Scientists, etc. And I assumed that it was an American company that was sent out into space to extract resources from the Avatar planet. It would make more sense to see more white people compared to black, Mexican, etc.

People still living in the jungle may be savage, but that’s more Natural than driving a Hummer up the interstate with a Latte in your hand and cell phone pressed against your ear.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
People still living in the jungle may be savage, but that’s more Natural than driving a Hummer up the interstate with a Latte in your hand and cell phone pressed against your ear.[/quote]

But it´s less fun, less healthy and has less style.

It´s a fact, when you look at primitive cultures that they are not only different but worse than the western culture.
The bush people do not have better morales and are not more peacefull than civilised people.
Most of them are just stupid, selfish and weak.

Their culture is different. That does not make it worth to be maintained.

An example are the projects in Africa to provide clean water.
It turned out that those people didn´t use the water sources, provided but still went to their contaminated sources (which were the cause of digestive diseases especially among kids) because their medecine man told them the new sources had evil spirits.

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John S., you haven’t seen the movie. Therefore, this will be the last response I gear towards you until you do. He DID NOT…key words…DID NOT…turn against his own. They were merceneries concerned with monetary gain that he turned against. Another thing, they didn’t even want him there on that mission. It was supposed to be his brother. Because of this, the military actually looked down on him (with the exception of the Colonel who was simply using him). You act like he was treated fair and then stabbed his own specicies in the back. Props to him for seeing the bigger picture. Then again, you won’t know what I’m talking about because you haven’t seen the movie. You read a right hand review and are arguing with people who have seen the movie multiple times. Go see the movie and if you still believe everything your saying, then fine. I don’t mind people expressing themselves if they are well informed and generated their own opinion via actually experiencing it on their own.

You sound like an old man cynic pissed off at life criticizing a good natured movie because it gasps isn’t on America’s nuts.

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[quote]Ken St.Mich wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
People still living in the jungle may be savage, but that’s more Natural than driving a Hummer up the interstate with a Latte in your hand and cell phone pressed against your ear.[/quote]

But it�´s less fun, less healthy and has less style.

It�´s a fact, when you look at primitive cultures that they are not only different but worse than the western culture.
The bush people do not have better morales and are not more peacefull than civilised people.
Most of them are just stupid, selfish and weak.

Their culture is different. That does not make it worth to be maintained.

An example are the projects in Africa to provide clean water.
It turned out that those people didn�´t use the water sources, provided but still went to their contaminated sources (which were the cause of digestive diseases especially among kids) because their medecine man told them the new sources had evil spirits.
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That doesn’t give Western Civilization the right to change a group of people’s way of life. Now I can understand if you want to send in missionaries to give them food, water, clothing, and literature. But if they don’t want your help, fuck off.

Natives live a harsh life, but there’s a balance to it.

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Its a really sad time we live in when a movie can’t just be a movie. Right wing dudes have to actively search for anything REMOTELY anti-conservative. I find the fact that you can call what is essentially GENOCIDE, Anti-American. Funny how that’s the first thing that comes to mind huh HH?

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[quote]John S. wrote:
A movie making the human race and our military out to be bad guys, I think I will skip this piece of propaganda.[/quote]

The movie’s protagonists were all human. Just like in other narratives, there are good guys and bad guys on both sides of the battle. No propaganda here.

The armed folks in the movie were contractors working for a giant corporation. Think Blackwater. As a military member, I didn’t feel like the flick pissed on our armed forces. To the contrary, the big hero is an ex-Marine.

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[quote]Houston07 wrote:
John S., you haven’t seen the movie. Therefore, this will be the last response I gear towards you until you do. He DID NOT…key words…DID NOT…turn against his own. They were merceneries concerned with monetary gain that he turned against. Another thing, they didn’t even want him there on that mission. It was supposed to be his brother. Because of this, the military actually looked down on him (with the exception of the Colonel who was simply using him). You act like he was treated fair and then stabbed his own specicies in the back. Props to him for seeing the bigger picture. Then again, you won’t know what I’m talking about because you haven’t seen the movie. You read a right hand review and are arguing with people who have seen the movie multiple times. Go see the movie and if you still believe everything your saying, then fine. I don’t mind people expressing themselves if they are well informed and generated their own opinion via actually experiencing it on their own.

You sound like an old man cynic pissed off at life criticizing a good natured movie because it gasps isn’t on America’s nuts. [/quote]

listen you have a marine that turns against his own, his own people, and some where even other marines. Perhaps you have no problem with this but I do.

A movie doesn’t have to be on America’s nuts, but a movie that goes anti American is something to protest.

And even without all that from what I am hearing the movie is boring as shit till the last 40 minutes.(Unless you are in a 3d theater, then I could see going to see the movie just for the special effects).

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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
A movie making the human race and our military out to be bad guys, I think I will skip this piece of propaganda.[/quote]

Yep…the movie is total un-Earthling. [/quote]

We can at the very least see this and anti American, this is without a doubt trying to play out the American’s vs Native shit.

How could someone go to the movie and cheer for the alien race killing Marines, sounds kind of fucked up.

Edit* I am going by what I have heard about the movie, after taking a quick read on wiki this seems to be what the movie was trying to get at.[/quote]

There are plenty of examples of other empires decimating natives. Americans have no corner on that market.

The aliens in the movie weren’t killing marines, they were defending themselves against mercenaries.

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[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
Its a really sad time we live in when a movie can’t just be a movie. Right wing dudes have to actively search for anything REMOTELY anti-conservative. I find the fact that you can call what is essentially GENOCIDE, Anti-American. Funny how that’s the first thing that comes to mind huh HH? [/quote]

Good point. Dude, are we playing MW tonight or what!

I’m trying to snipe, bitches.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Houston07 wrote:
John S., you haven’t seen the movie. Therefore, this will be the last response I gear towards you until you do. He DID NOT…key words…DID NOT…turn against his own. They were merceneries concerned with monetary gain that he turned against. Another thing, they didn’t even want him there on that mission. It was supposed to be his brother. Because of this, the military actually looked down on him (with the exception of the Colonel who was simply using him). You act like he was treated fair and then stabbed his own specicies in the back. Props to him for seeing the bigger picture. Then again, you won’t know what I’m talking about because you haven’t seen the movie. You read a right hand review and are arguing with people who have seen the movie multiple times. Go see the movie and if you still believe everything your saying, then fine. I don’t mind people expressing themselves if they are well informed and generated their own opinion via actually experiencing it on their own.

You sound like an old man cynic pissed off at life criticizing a good natured movie because it gasps isn’t on America’s nuts. [/quote]

listen you have a marine that turns against his own, his own people, and some where even other marines. Perhaps you have no problem with this but I do.

A movie doesn’t have to be on America’s nuts, but a movie that goes anti American is something to protest.

And even without all that from what I am hearing the movie is boring as shit till the last 40 minutes.(Unless you are in a 3d theater, then I could see going to see the movie just for the special effects).
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I saw it in 2D and wasn’t bored for a second. Go see it, and then we’ll talk.