Attention T-Cell Members

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Most people who do push themselves to an extreme on a regular basis LOOK LIKE it. Unless someone is just extremely weak genetically, the guy busting his ass in the gym and the kitchen for several years is NOT going to be passed by on the street and considered to be someone who rarely has seen the inside of a gym.[/quote]

I think this might even be an understatement, by giving them the ‘weak genetically’ cop-out.

VERY rare is the male that has more of a challenge in building muscle than a female, due to the natural hormonal difference. However, any female who busts her ass in the gym and in the kitchen is going to have a physique that shows it.

A MALE has no excuse, with the natural advantage towards muscle-building they naturally have. If someone has put more than 3 years into attempting to build muscle, and done so seriously, it shows, unless you have some degenerative disease.

(P.S. Being a pussy is not a degenerative disease)

[quote]tom63 wrote:

True for so many things doc, but really, you want to lift weights, you need to get around big strong guys who lift weights. I saw you said a few times about how many people here that don’t even train.

I do train, but I learned more about training by doing it than talking about it. You can get some technical knowledge on training here, but you need to lift, eat, and rest.

And get around people who are better that do it.

I’m not that anonymous, really. I post over at Elite in the Q&A. Dave Tate trusted my knowledge and ability to answer questions, after meeting me and being treated by me.

Of course some of of the initial stuff was based from the net, like a few orders for stuff, but most was from face to face.

I don’t want to discount the useful nature of the net, but like any tool you need to use it properly.

You can talk cooking all you want, but you need to fire up that grill to make a great steak, just as you need to fire a gun at a range, ride a motorcycle, or lift weights.

I assume you’re a pretty big strong guy, I think you posted a pic once if I recall. I would learn more from you as a newbie in person as opposed to net jockeys that don’t lift.

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I don’t come here to do much learning of basic material. I’m not a newbie and I have a solid educational background in biology and physiology. I come here to discuss bodybuilding, period. I do that because I avoid doing so, for the most part, in my personal life unless I am at the gym. That is the only time I am around people who even understand my own drives and motivations. NONE of my friends are as dedicated as I am about hitting the gym regularly.

My pics are in my profile, and quite a few people here have been reading shit from me since I was a MOD on FLEX.com back when it was actually worth reading. That was back when I was a sophomore in college as a Biology major.

I am simply pointing out that while some of you seem to consider the internet just a play toy for fantasy, some of us are here for more serious reasons.

[quote]djwhizkid wrote:
so you have to be big to give sound advice?[/quote]

I’m 185. I have, on occasion, made good posts.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
tom63 wrote:

True for so many things doc, but really, you want to lift weights, you need to get around big strong guys who lift weights. I saw you said a few times about how many people here that don’t even train.

I do train, but I learned more about training by doing it than talking about it. You can get some technical knowledge on training here, but you need to lift, eat, and rest.

And get around people who are better that do it.

I’m not that anonymous, really. I post over at Elite in the Q&A. Dave Tate trusted my knowledge and ability to answer questions, after meeting me and being treated by me.

Of course some of of the initial stuff was based from the net, like a few orders for stuff, but most was from face to face.

I don’t want to discount the useful nature of the net, but like any tool you need to use it properly.

You can talk cooking all you want, but you need to fire up that grill to make a great steak, just as you need to fire a gun at a range, ride a motorcycle, or lift weights.

I assume you’re a pretty big strong guy, I think you posted a pic once if I recall. I would learn more from you as a newbie in person as opposed to net jockeys that don’t lift.

I don’t come here to do much learning of basic material. I’m not a newbie and I have a solid educational background in biology and physiology. I come here to discuss bodybuilding, period. I do that because I avoid doing so, for the most part, in my personal life unless I am at the gym. That is the only time I am around people who even understand my own drives and motivations. NONE of my friends are as dedicated as I am about hitting the gym regularly.

My pics are in my profile, and quite a few people here have been reading shit from me since I was a MOD on FLEX.com back when it was actually worth reading. That was back when I was a sophomore in college as a Biology major.

I am simply pointing out that while some of you seem to consider the internet just a play toy for fantasy, some of us are here for more serious reasons. [/quote]

One of the same reasons I’m here. but having a family allows me only so much time for the lifting talk. And it’s fun to talk lifting, because as you said very few understand or want to hear about lifting stuff in the real world,so to speak.

If I deadlift 600 pounds that means as much to most people as if I do 300. They don’t get it. But you yourself said many people need to do more training than talking about training or advising people. I know I’m paraphrasing here, but I think you understand my point.

But one problem with this instant access to info and talk on a subject is that many stuff is a rehash of what was said so many times before.

This causes us with a greater degree of experience to get fed up and grow weary of the process. but many just don’t realize that talking isn’t doing. Information is a powerful tool.

But as any craftsman will tell you, having a tool doesn’t equate your ability to use it. To be successful at weights you need more time under the bar than on the net. Dave Tate is doing very well in his business by using the net properly. He has increased his exposure tremendously by using this tool.

But he learned the weight from Louie and others. I love shooting and can find any info in a google search in regards to gun prices, loading data, gun reviews, and shooting technique. But you need the range time to put that shot were it counts when it counts.

[quote]tom63 wrote:
But one problem with this instant access to info and talk on a subject is that many stuff is a rehash of what was said so many times before.

This causes us with a greater degree of experience to get fed up and grow weary of the process. but many just don’t realize that talking isn’t doing. Information is a powerful tool.

But as any craftsman will tell you, having a tool doesn’t equate your ability to use it. To be successful at weights you need more time under the bar than on the net. Dave Tate is doing very well in his business by using the net properly. He has increased his exposure tremendously by using this tool.

But he learned the weight from Louie and others. I love shooting and can find any info in a google search in regards to gun prices, loading data, gun reviews, and shooting technique. But you need the range time to put that shot were it counts when it counts.

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You are preaching to the choir. I just got back from the gym. No one looking at me is confused about whether I am interested in weight lifting.

The ones who do ACT more than they TALK will show it readily. You can even often tell this without seeing a picture of tht person.

One thing I am trying to stop, however, is the spread of false info by those who clearly don’t work out with any seriousness at all.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
tom63 wrote:
But one problem with this instant access to info and talk on a subject is that many stuff is a rehash of what was said so many times before.

This causes us with a greater degree of experience to get fed up and grow weary of the process. but many just don’t realize that talking isn’t doing. Information is a powerful tool.

But as any craftsman will tell you, having a tool doesn’t equate your ability to use it. To be successful at weights you need more time under the bar than on the net. Dave Tate is doing very well in his business by using the net properly. He has increased his exposure tremendously by using this tool.

But he learned the weight from Louie and others. I love shooting and can find any info in a google search in regards to gun prices, loading data, gun reviews, and shooting technique. But you need the range time to put that shot were it counts when it counts.

You are preaching to the choir. I just got back from the gym. No one looking at me is confused about whether I am interested in weight lifting.

The ones who do ACT more than they TALK will show it readily. You can even often tell this without seeing a picture of tht person.

One thing I am trying to stop, however, is the spread of false info by those who clearly don’t work out with any seriousness at all.[/quote]

It’s a valiant effort and good luck. I do think the nature of the net makes it a losing battle, but it doesn’t take a lot of wins to help out those that need it and will listen. I’m sure you’re the guy who knows how to use the tools and has the tools, not just a person who hang out at Home Depot and pretends, so to speak.

[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Most people who do push themselves to an extreme on a regular basis LOOK LIKE it. Unless someone is just extremely weak genetically, the guy busting his ass in the gym and the kitchen for several years is NOT going to be passed by on the street and considered to be someone who rarely has seen the inside of a gym.

I think this might even be an understatement, by giving them the ‘weak genetically’ cop-out.

VERY rare is the male that has more of a challenge in building muscle than a female, due to the natural hormonal difference. However, any female who busts her ass in the gym and in the kitchen is going to have a physique that shows it.

A MALE has no excuse, with the natural advantage towards muscle-building they naturally have. If someone has put more than 3 years into attempting to build muscle, and done so seriously, it shows, unless you have some degenerative disease.

(P.S. Being a pussy is not a degenerative disease)[/quote]

Respectively disagree a bit. I hear from women all the time how it’s so much easier for a man to get in great shape as opposed to a woman. now these girls might need to lose 10-20 pounds and firm up just a little. I don’t mean the lose 80-100 crowd.

I told them it’s a helluva lot harder for me to go from 130 at 17 to a solid 200 at 44, than you losing 10 or so and firming up a little. Hell, it’s harder for me to go from 500 in the deadlift to 600. I’m almost there, but it will have taken 6 or so years.

Women can be pussies to, and actually are bigger pussies,hence the term. This is why we call guys that whine and moan and make excuses pussies.

Of course some guys are bigger pussies than some girls by their actions.

[quote]tom63 wrote:

If I deadlift 600 pounds that means as much to most people as if I do 300. They don’t get it.

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Very true! I am not lifting your poundages but people don’t understand. This is one of the few places I can talk lifting. No one else cares.

[quote]tom63 wrote:

Respectively disagree a bit. I hear from women all the time how it’s so much easier for a man to get in great shape as opposed to a woman. now these girls might need to lose 10-20 pounds and firm up just a little. I don’t mean the lose 80-100 crowd.

I told them it’s a helluva lot harder for me to go from 130 at 17 to a solid 200 at 44, than you losing 10 or so and firming up a little. Hell, it’s harder for me to go from 500 in the deadlift to 600. I’m almost there, but it will have taken 6 or so years.

Women can be pussies to, and actually are bigger pussies,hence the term. This is why we call guys that whine and moan and make excuses pussies.

Of course some guys are bigger pussies than some girls by their actions.

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While I don’t disagree with your points, that wasn’t really what I was referring to.

Indeed, obtaining an above-average-muscular, yet still lean physique, is ten times harder than what a majority of females pursue: “being thin”. If all I had to worry about was “being thin”, that would be the easiest fucking fitness goal in history.

However, not every female is pursuing that simplistic goal, and that wasn’t my point.

My point is: If a female who’s looking to develop a lean muscular physique, can obtain obviously visible results in a few years, there is NO reason a male can’t do the same, with the muscle-building and fat-burning advantage he has.

[quote]tom63 wrote:

Women can be pussies to, and actually are bigger pussies,hence the term. This is why we call guys that whine and moan and make excuses pussies.

Of course some guys are bigger pussies than some girls by their actions.
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Um, wow. I don’t even know where to begin with this. Do you have any idea how you sound, Tom?

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
tom63 wrote:

Women can be pussies to, and actually are bigger pussies,hence the term. This is why we call guys that whine and moan and make excuses pussies.

Of course some guys are bigger pussies than some girls by their actions.

Um, wow. I don’t even know where to begin with this. Do you have any idea how you sound, Tom?
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My mind is boggled.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
tom63 wrote:

Women can be pussies to, and actually are bigger pussies,hence the term. This is why we call guys that whine and moan and make excuses pussies.

Of course some guys are bigger pussies than some girls by their actions.

Um, wow. I don’t even know where to begin with this. Do you have any idea how you sound, Tom?
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It’s just another way of saying you all throw like girls.

[quote]Christine wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
tom63 wrote:

Women can be pussies to, and actually are bigger pussies,hence the term. This is why we call guys that whine and moan and make excuses pussies.

Of course some guys are bigger pussies than some girls by their actions.

Um, wow. I don’t even know where to begin with this. Do you have any idea how you sound, Tom?

My mind is boggled.[/quote]

I think you girls see his point. Let’s not get all feminist and girl power around here, now… Obviously his choice of words weren’t very condusive to being respectful to women, but let us not get caught up in that instead of what he actually meant by it.

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Christine wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
tom63 wrote:

Women can be pussies to, and actually are bigger pussies,hence the term. This is why we call guys that whine and moan and make excuses pussies.

Of course some guys are bigger pussies than some girls by their actions.

Um, wow. I don’t even know where to begin with this. Do you have any idea how you sound, Tom?

My mind is boggled.

I think you girls see his point. Let’s not get all feminist and girl power around here, now… Obviously his choice of words weren’t very condusive to being respectful to women, but let us not get caught up in that instead of what he actually meant by it.[/quote]

What DID he mean by it?

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Christine wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
tom63 wrote:

Women can be pussies to, and actually are bigger pussies,hence the term. This is why we call guys that whine and moan and make excuses pussies.

Of course some guys are bigger pussies than some girls by their actions.

Um, wow. I don’t even know where to begin with this. Do you have any idea how you sound, Tom?

My mind is boggled.

I think you girls see his point. Let’s not get all feminist and girl power around here, now… Obviously his choice of words weren’t very condusive to being respectful to women, but let us not get caught up in that instead of what he actually meant by it.

What DID he mean by it?

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I’d explain it if I thought you were actually interested and wanted to know. Seeing as that is not the case, I won’t.

And please, don’t try to convince me otherwise.

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Christine wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
tom63 wrote:

Women can be pussies to, and actually are bigger pussies,hence the term. This is why we call guys that whine and moan and make excuses pussies.

Of course some guys are bigger pussies than some girls by their actions.

Um, wow. I don’t even know where to begin with this. Do you have any idea how you sound, Tom?

My mind is boggled.

I think you girls see his point. Let’s not get all feminist and girl power around here, now… Obviously his choice of words weren’t very condusive to being respectful to women, but let us not get caught up in that instead of what he actually meant by it.[/quote]

Whatever his point may have been (and I see that he’s saying that some men are bigger pussies than girls), his basic premise, that the term “pussy” somehow derives from that women whine and moan and make excuses, blinds me to everything else.

Not to get all feminist, but WTF?

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Christine wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
tom63 wrote:

Women can be pussies to, and actually are bigger pussies,hence the term. This is why we call guys that whine and moan and make excuses pussies.

Of course some guys are bigger pussies than some girls by their actions.

Um, wow. I don’t even know where to begin with this. Do you have any idea how you sound, Tom?

My mind is boggled.

I think you girls see his point. Let’s not get all feminist and girl power around here, now… Obviously his choice of words weren’t very condusive to being respectful to women, but let us not get caught up in that instead of what he actually meant by it.

Whatever his point may have been (and I see that he’s saying that some men are bigger pussies than girls), his basic premise, that the term “pussy” somehow derives from that women whine and moan and make excuses, blinds me to everything else.

Not to get all feminist, but WTF? [/quote]

I doubt he was referring to the women that actually do something with themselves and take control of their lives. The MAJORITY of women are pussies, and they do whine and make excuses. Yes. There’s plenty of guys that do the same. That’s what a pussy does.

You’re whining right now, pussy.

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
What DID he mean by it?

I’d explain it if I thought you were actually interested and wanted to know. Seeing as that is not the case, I won’t.

And please, don’t try to convince me otherwise.[/quote]

Profiling AGAIN? Tsk, tsk,…

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Women … actually are bigger pussies,hence the term. This is why we call guys that whine and moan and make excuses pussies.

Of course some guys are bigger pussies than some girls by their actions.[/quote]

Nice contradiction.

Pussy.

Thin is in.

Besides, I’m probably the smallest guy in the T-Cell. But I do bust ass and keep learning.