[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
And, as I have written before, most of my bodybuilder friends do half squats. Some in the Smith Machine.
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funny you should say that, all the really big dudes I know do half squats too.
Now I know where I’m going wrong![/quote]
If only you did more bent pressing.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
And, as I have written before, most of my bodybuilder friends do half squats. Some in the Smith Machine.
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funny you should say that, all the really big dudes I know do half squats too.
Now I know where I’m going wrong![/quote]
If only you did more bent pressing.[/quote]
HATERZ!
The closer you can get your hips to your ankles, the better your squat will feel, and look. This promotes an upright torso which in turn distributes the load evenly across the back and core, while protecting the spine. This stable position allows for the legs to do the work, which is the PURPOSE of the squat.
Ask yourself whats more inspiring to watch…a 105kg+ man with a wide stance, low bar and barely squatting 400-500kg to parallel position? Or a 85kg man with a shoulder width stance, bar resting on top the trapezius, and then squatting 280kg as I first described?
Apples and Oranges, maybe… but IMO the squat is an athletic movement, and should never be altered that is no longer such.
Above parallel should be titled something other than a squat…like 'torso bending hip pusher backers"
[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
[quote]Jarvan wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
I agree but 1/4 squats seem to be a knee issue waiting to happen[/quote]
They worked for Paul Anderson. I like them myself.[/quote]
Never heard of him.
On the other hand, Dmitry Klokov squats atg.
Not to mention, 100% of olympic caliber lifters.
Honest question, are you perhaps implying that half squatting has benefits, comparative to ‘full’ squatting?
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Oly lifters need to be able to squat deep as to be able to catch the bar at its lowest point in the clean or snatch. Normal people don’t have as a goal catching a clean or snatch. (I take that back, many like to catch a snatch every now and then). [/quote]
Good point you bring up.
I was more so wanting to compare the ‘half squats’ strength gain, to the strength of oly lifters, not so much the mobility factor. Of course PL only requires a parallel squat, but I was only curious about punisher’s angle on it, seeing that he mentions it often.
[quote]DanRC wrote:
This stable position allows for the legs to do the work, which is the PURPOSE of the squat.
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People squat in different ways for different goals, saying there is only one possible purpose to squat is just ignorant.
Squatting over 500kg would be a new world record by some distance, whatever your weight class. Squatting 280kg would be the best part of 90kg shy of a world record for someone weighing 85kg. Does that answer your question about which is most impressive?
How do you feel about Paused squats from the hole or midway point?
[quote]DanRC wrote:
The closer you can get your hips to your ankles, the better your squat will feel, and look. This promotes an upright torso which in turn distributes the load evenly across the back and core, while protecting the spine. This stable position allows for the legs to do the work, which is the PURPOSE of the squat.
Ask yourself whats more inspiring to watch…a 105kg+ man with a wide stance, low bar and barely squatting 400-500kg to parallel position? Or a 85kg man with a shoulder width stance, bar resting on top the trapezius, and then squatting 280kg as I first described?
Apples and Oranges, maybe… but IMO the squat is an athletic movement, and should never be altered that is no longer such.
Above parallel should be titled something other than a squat…like 'torso bending hip pusher backers"
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Ok, I actually bothered to write so much stuff above not to get into a meaningless debate or directly challenge anyone, but because…
This is the EXACT NONSENSE I was anticipating to be brought up sooner or later.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
And, as I have written before, most of my bodybuilder friends do half squats. Some in the Smith Machine.
EDITED[/quote]
funny you should say that, all the really big dudes I know do half squats too.
Now I know where I’m going wrong![/quote]
If only you did more bent pressing.[/quote]
LOL!
I hear it really helps build the lower lats
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
How do you feel about Paused squats from the hole or midway point?
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I have never done them before. However, all of my heavy squats are perform from the bottom up. I suspend the bar in chains at various heights and perform a concentric only squat to start with. I originally started squatting that way due to a hamstring injury that made the reversal from eccentric to concentric painful, but noticed it really helped me overcome some old squat plateaus and develop great strength from the bottom of the squat. Also great for developing “brute strength”, since there is very little room for technique, haha.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
all of my heavy squats are perform from the bottom up.[/quote]
that’s a very interesting thing.
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
all of my heavy squats are perform from the bottom up.[/quote]
that’s a very interesting thing.[/quote]
I’m pretty unique that way, haha. I trained a long time where ALL of my heavy lifts were done that way (squat, bench, press and deadlift) and did pretty decent with it. Sometimes, when the weight gets too heavy, I’ll have to start from the top simply because I can’t get into position with enough strength to break the weight off the chains, but I at least start every training cycle from the bottom.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
So how far up do you go before you descend again?
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Once I feel my hips trying to takeover toward the top, I drop down again. Check out Justin Harris squatting on youtube to see what this can look like.[/quote]
Since a hip surgery I had doesn’t allow me to squat, I’m going to try out your method and see if the limited ROM alleviates the issues My hip has with squatting. No idea if it will work or not, but I just wanted to say thanks for the suggestion (even tho it wasn’t to me directly)
[quote]staystrong wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
So how far up do you go before you descend again?
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Once I feel my hips trying to takeover toward the top, I drop down again. Check out Justin Harris squatting on youtube to see what this can look like.[/quote]
Since a hip surgery I had doesn’t allow me to squat, I’m going to try out your method and see if the limited ROM alleviates the issues My hip has with squatting. No idea if it will work or not, but I just wanted to say thanks for the suggestion (even tho it wasn’t to me directly)[/quote]
Awesome man, I hope it works out. Limiting ROM and going heavy has been huge for me to recover from injury while still getting stronger.
[quote]staystrong wrote:
Since a hip surgery I had doesn’t allow me to squat, I’m going to try out your method and see if the limited ROM alleviates the issues My hip has with squatting. No idea if it will work or not, but I just wanted to say thanks for the suggestion (even tho it wasn’t to me directly)[/quote]
What kind of surgery did you get? I have an appt with a hip specialist in 8 days, and hoping to eventually be able to squat to depth, or close to it, again.
[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
[quote]staystrong wrote:
Since a hip surgery I had doesn’t allow me to squat, I’m going to try out your method and see if the limited ROM alleviates the issues My hip has with squatting. No idea if it will work or not, but I just wanted to say thanks for the suggestion (even tho it wasn’t to me directly)[/quote]
What kind of surgery did you get? I have an appt with a hip specialist in 8 days, and hoping to eventually be able to squat to depth, or close to it, again. [/quote]
Can I ask what doctor you’re seeing?
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
[quote]staystrong wrote:
Since a hip surgery I had doesn’t allow me to squat, I’m going to try out your method and see if the limited ROM alleviates the issues My hip has with squatting. No idea if it will work or not, but I just wanted to say thanks for the suggestion (even tho it wasn’t to me directly)[/quote]
What kind of surgery did you get? I have an appt with a hip specialist in 8 days, and hoping to eventually be able to squat to depth, or close to it, again. [/quote]
Can I ask what doctor you’re seeing?[/quote]
Dr. James Rector, who specializes in hip resurfacing. At my age, any device will eventually need to be revised in my lifetime, so if I can do the resurfacing, it is easier to do a total hip replacement later.
[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
[quote]staystrong wrote:
Since a hip surgery I had doesn’t allow me to squat, I’m going to try out your method and see if the limited ROM alleviates the issues My hip has with squatting. No idea if it will work or not, but I just wanted to say thanks for the suggestion (even tho it wasn’t to me directly)[/quote]
What kind of surgery did you get? I have an appt with a hip specialist in 8 days, and hoping to eventually be able to squat to depth, or close to it, again. [/quote]
Arthoscopic surgery to fix FAI (Femoroacetabular Impingment). Basically a bone spur on my hip socket, caused the cartilage to tear. Had the surgery done almost 3 years ago, took out the damaged cartilage and shaved the bone down. Was supposed to be able to resume full athletic activity, and I do except certain movement patterns. I work around it nowadays, but I miss squats and deadlifts sometimes.
I can physically do them, but my hip will HURT later in the day/next couple of days. Not worth it, I can tell it’s damaging to the joint. I believe keeping the back straight during these lifts then descending down to a small angle and impingment causes the bone to go over the part of my socket missing the cartilage. I may be able to do partial squats, though I’m not sure since your back is still locked in an arched position which automatically puts the hip into a more impinged space even at the top of the movement.
I may also try out limited ROM front squats also, a more upright torso may help with the hip angle. We’ll see. The tough thing is it doesn’t usually hurt during the movement so it’s hard to diagnose and change quickly. Takes a day or two before I can implement a tweak to something.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]staystrong wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]BigEasy24 wrote:
So how far up do you go before you descend again?
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Once I feel my hips trying to takeover toward the top, I drop down again. Check out Justin Harris squatting on youtube to see what this can look like.[/quote]
Since a hip surgery I had doesn’t allow me to squat, I’m going to try out your method and see if the limited ROM alleviates the issues My hip has with squatting. No idea if it will work or not, but I just wanted to say thanks for the suggestion (even tho it wasn’t to me directly)[/quote]
Awesome man, I hope it works out. Limiting ROM and going heavy has been huge for me to recover from injury while still getting stronger.[/quote]
One question for you. Do you feel that partial squats, if used extensively, have an increased risk compared to “full” squats for knee pain? It’s often claimed that partial squats are dangerous for knees. Then again some people claim full squats are too.
No idea honestly. I’ve never done a “full” squat in my life (assuming by that you mean an olympic style ATG squat). My knees only seem to feel pain when I front squat, which is one of the reasons I don’t do them.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
No idea honestly. I’ve never done a “full” squat in my life (assuming by that you mean an olympic style ATG squat). My knees only seem to feel pain when I front squat, which is one of the reasons I don’t do them.[/quote]
Fair enough, thanks for the response. I’m excited to try them out and see if I can get the response from my body I want.