Look, it is getting sad in here the way any alternate opinions are literally being shouted down lately.
No one on this planet acts like some stereotypical model during a diet, Variables need to be adjusted for…and MENTAL STATE and well being are of ultimate importance to long term progress.
This is not shit you ignore just because it is en vogue lately to agree with everyone else no matter what gets stated.
The OP said himself that he isn’t experiencing any negative effects of the diet besides feeling sluggish. His lifts aren’t even suffering. And, my bringing up what CT said was completely relevant. He said that, as long as your lifts aren’t dropping significantly, you probably aren’t losing muscle.
So, if the OP isn’t losing muscle, what is the problem with continuing the diet? You are just telling the OP that he needs to do things differently, but when asked how, you say you don’t really know. Just admit you don’t have answers.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Look, it is getting sad in here the way any alternate opinions are literally being shouted down lately.
No one on this planet acts like some stereotypical model during a diet, Variables need to be adjusted for…and MENTAL STATE and well being are of ultimate importance to long term progress.
This is not shit you ignore just because it is en vogue lately to agree with everyone else no matter what gets stated.[/quote]
Look, you are shouting down people with opinions different to yours so don’t moan.
In regards to the whole break thing, I PERSONALLY would not do it if I was in his position. I would readjust what I was eating and supplementing to ensure I felt better day to day, may be an increase in fats or an increase of carbs or different meal frequency.
Have a cheat meal, enjoy it and move on with your goal.
Dieting is tough, get over it.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Look, it is getting sad in here the way any alternate opinions are literally being shouted down lately.
No one on this planet acts like some stereotypical model during a diet, Variables need to be adjusted for…and MENTAL STATE and well being are of ultimate importance to long term progress.
This is not shit you ignore just because it is en vogue lately to agree with everyone else no matter what gets stated.[/quote]
Look, you are shouting down people with opinions different to yours so don’t moan.
In regards to the whole break thing, I PERSONALLY would not do it if I was in his position. I would readjust what I was eating and supplementing to ensure I felt better day to day, may be an increase in fats or an increase of carbs or different meal frequency.
Have a cheat meal, enjoy it and move on with your goal.
Dieting is tough, get over it.
[/quote]
Dieting is tough…that doesn’t change the fact THAT YOU CAN DO IT WRONG AND FUCK UP YOUR METABOLISM.
That is why ignoring this shit and telling someone to push on in all cases is what everyone should be disagreeing with.
These are individual issues, not ones you just gloss over in favor of telling everyone to keep dropping more weight.
He should take a look at his overall progress…truly assess his OWN mental well being and judge if taking a break is needed here.
But, don’t you constantly tell people that bulking is hard and to get over it and keep eating?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Look, it is getting sad in here the way any alternate opinions are literally being shouted down lately.
No one on this planet acts like some stereotypical model during a diet, Variables need to be adjusted for…and MENTAL STATE and well being are of ultimate importance to long term progress.
This is not shit you ignore just because it is en vogue lately to agree with everyone else no matter what gets stated.[/quote]
Look, you are shouting down people with opinions different to yours so don’t moan.
In regards to the whole break thing, I PERSONALLY would not do it if I was in his position. I would readjust what I was eating and supplementing to ensure I felt better day to day, may be an increase in fats or an increase of carbs or different meal frequency.
Have a cheat meal, enjoy it and move on with your goal.
Dieting is tough, get over it.
[/quote]
Dieting is tough…that doesn’t change the fact THAT YOU CAN DO IT WRONG AND FUCK UP YOUR METABOLISM.
That is why ignoring this shit and telling someone to push on in all cases is what everyone should be disagreeing with.
These are individual issues, not ones you just gloss over in favor of telling everyone to keep dropping more weight.
He should take a look at his overall progress…truly assess his OWN mental well being and judge if taking a break is needed here.
[/quote]
Quit being dense dude, I said re adjust intake and then move on. Not simply push on and I didn’t say keep dropping weight. I said push on for HIS GOAL.
If the guy sorts out his diet so he is not doing it wrong how would he be threatening his metabolism?
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
Quit being dense dude, I said re adjust intake and then move on. Not simply push on and I didn’t say keep dropping weight. I said push on for HIS GOAL.
If the guy sorts out his diet so he is not doing it wrong how would he be threatening his metabolism? [/quote]
Do you understand that your body is adaptive and the longer you diet the more restrictive the caloric intake needs to be?
This can LOWER YOUR METABOLIC RATE TO COMPENSATE which can make it harder to keep fat off later.
How am I “dense” because I acknowledge this?
This is WHY some big guys can diet on over 3,000cals a day. That is what i did.
Trust me, that makes dieting way fucking easier when you don’t really have to DIET.
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
But, don’t you constantly tell people that bulking is hard and to get over it and keep eating?[/quote]
No, I don’t.
You have never seen me tell someone who is saying they are gaining too much fat to keep bulking up.
In fact, you don’t see me telling anyone to “bulk up” unless they have a fast metabolism in the first place and can lose fat relatively well.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
Quit being dense dude, I said re adjust intake and then move on. Not simply push on and I didn’t say keep dropping weight. I said push on for HIS GOAL.
If the guy sorts out his diet so he is not doing it wrong how would he be threatening his metabolism?
[/quote]
Do you understand that your body is adaptive and the longer you diet the more restrictive the caloric intake needs to be?
This can LOWER YOUR METABOLIC RATE TO COMPENSATE which can make it harder to keep fat off later.
How am I “dense” because I acknowledge this?
This is WHY some big guys can diet on over 3,000cals a day. That is what i did.
Trust me, that makes dieting way fucking easier when you don’t really have to DIET.[/quote]
The longer you diet the more restrictive the calorie intake needs to be?
Hmmm, for someone who does not like specific absolute statements shared you seem to do a lot of them.
You also make a lot of assumptions regarding my posts, I said readjust intake.
When did I say that should be in a calorie deficit ;)?
I said he needs to find what works best for him.
Hell that could be maintenance calories but done with intermient fasting…
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
The longer you diet the more restrictive the calorie intake needs to be?[/quote]
Yes.
You can not keep losing weight forever at the same amount of caloric restriction. Calories must continue to be dropped the longer someone is on a diet to see more weight loss.
The body is adaptive in that way.
[quote]Hmmm, for someone who does not like specific absolute statements shared you seem to do a lot of them.
You also make a lot of assumptions regarding my posts, I said readjust intake.
When did I say that should be in a calorie deficit ;)?[/quote]
You are trying to be witty.
You should try something different.
If he is not in caloric deficit, then he is either maintaining caloric intake as far as body weight or he is gaining.
There is no in between.
However, thank you for letting us know you did not know that the longer someone is on a diet, the more restrictive they have to be to see further progress.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
The longer you diet the more restrictive the calorie intake needs to be?[/quote]
Yes.
You can not keep losing weight forever at the same amount of caloric restriction. Calories must continue to be dropped the longer someone is on a diet to see more weight loss.
The body is adaptive in that way.
You are trying to be witty.
You should try something different.
If he is not in caloric deficit, then he is either maintaining caloric intake as far as body weight or he is gaining.
There is no in between.
However, thank you for letting us know you did not know that the longer someone is on a diet, the more restrictive they have to be to see further progress.[/quote]
Posters here have had success with changing nothing in their diet but doing intermittent fasting, I am one of them.
Bro, when you actually do a diet you will have valid input in a thread like this.
Inb4…“you are tiny”, “I dieted in the summer of 2004 when I cut back from 5 cheeseburgers a meal to only 4” etc.
And i’mmmmmmm out.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
Posters here have had success with changing nothing in their diet but doing intermittent fasting, I am one of them.
Bro, when you actually do a diet you will have valid input in a thread like this.
Inb4…“you are tiny”, “I dieted in the summer of 2004 when I cut back from 5 cheeseburgers a meal to only 4” etc.
And i’mmmmmmm out.[/quote]
Nice with the personal attacks…but seriously guy…the “No one can tell I work out” look isn’t what I was ever going for.
I have dieted, I just don’t care about being in single digits…and last I checked, there aren’t that many guys posting here carrying more muscle size who are much leaner than me.
This isn’t about my goals…but lying like I have never dieted needs to stop.
I have never dieted for a CONTEST, but I know a lot about dieting itself outside of that.
Just because I don’t care to be leaner than I am does not erase this.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You can not keep losing weight forever at the same amount of caloric restriction. Calories must continue to be dropped the longer someone is on a diet to see more weight loss.
[/quote]
Actually that’s pretty off base, and a gross oversimplification that I have no doubt any experienced competitor, prep coach, or RD would disagree with.
The term recomposition gets thrown around a lot, and with good reason. I have had countless clients where we’ve readjusted the macronutrient breakdown and not only continued making progress without lowering overall calories, but been able to speed up their metabolic rates and had to even add in certain macros as a result.
There’s a really nice article online by Eric Helms where he explains that the Law of Thermodynamics doesn’t apply to physique based dieting. I believe Berardi echoed the sentiment in his PN textbooks.
And for the record, the longer the diet phase, usually the less restrictive you need to be.
S
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You can not keep losing weight forever at the same amount of caloric restriction. Calories must continue to be dropped the longer someone is on a diet to see more weight loss.
[/quote]
Actually that’s pretty off base, and a gross oversimplification that I have no doubt any experienced competitor, prep coach, or RD would disagree with.
The term recomposition gets thrown around a lot, and with good reason. I have had countless clients where we’ve readjusted the macronutrient breakdown and not only continued making progress without lowering overall calories, but been able to speed up their metabolic rates and had to even add in certain macros as a result.
There’s a really nice article online by Eric Helms where he explains that the Law of Thermodynamics doesn’t apply to physique based dieting. I believe Berardi echoed the sentiment in his PN textbooks.
And for the record, the longer the diet phase, usually the less restrictive you need to be.
S[/quote]
I said LOSS OF WEIGHT.
Recomping is something I have written about myself and done myself so I am not sure why you think I am unaware of it.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
And for the record, the longer the diet phase, usually the less restrictive you need to be.
S[/quote]
I would also disagree here.
You are saying the longer you diet the more calories you can take in to see more weight loss?
This would fall in line with periods of caloric maintenance.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I would also disagree here.
[/quote]
I expected as much,as I’m sure others reading along did as well. And yes, I understood that you meant Weight. So did I. I just figured I’d throw the Recomp term out there because you referenced either losing or gaining with no inbetween, which again was incorrect. With past clients we’ve actually had to add in calories to deal with the sped up weight loss.
Not here to argue with you thoguh, just shed some light on a subject that I like to think I know a bit about.
S
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I would also disagree here.
[/quote]
I expected as much,as I’m sure others reading along did as well. And yes, I understood that you meant Weight. So did I. I just figured I’d throw the Recomp term out there because you referenced either losing or gaining with no inbetween, which again was incorrect. With past clients we’ve actually had to add in calories to deal with the sped up weight loss.
Not here to argue with you thoguh, just shed some light on a subject that I like to think I know a bit about.
S[/quote]
That’s good.
I wrote a very long post about recomping years back.
I have done it quite a few times with the most favorable results right a few years back.
Once again, THERE IS NO ALTERNATE FROM A CALORIC DEFICIT OTHER THAN MAINTENANCE OR GAINING.
That much is true and RECOMPING has nothing to do with that statement.
Recomping is NOT dieting with regards to weight loss.
Your statement made it seem as if it was. This is incorrect.
Please continue a discussion about recomping and we can take it further.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I would also disagree here.
[/quote]
I expected as much,as I’m sure others reading along did as well. And yes, I understood that you meant Weight. So did I. I just figured I’d throw the Recomp term out there because you referenced either losing or gaining with no inbetween, which again was incorrect. With past clients we’ve actually had to add in calories to deal with the sped up weight loss.
Not here to argue with you thoguh, just shed some light on a subject that I like to think I know a bit about.
S[/quote]
You also avoided answering if you are saying that you can eat MORE when dieting longer.
Why avoid answering that?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
Posters here have had success with changing nothing in their diet but doing intermittent fasting, I am one of them.
Bro, when you actually do a diet you will have valid input in a thread like this.
Inb4…“you are tiny”, “I dieted in the summer of 2004 when I cut back from 5 cheeseburgers a meal to only 4” etc.
And i’mmmmmmm out.[/quote]
Nice with the personal attacks…but seriously guy…the “No one can tell I work out” look isn’t what I was ever going for.
I have dieted, I just don’t care about being in single digits…and last I checked, there aren’t that many guys posting here carrying more muscle size who are much leaner than me.
This isn’t about my goals…but lying like I have never dieted needs to stop.
I have never dieted for a CONTEST, but I know a lot about dieting itself outside of that.
Just because I don’t care to be leaner than I am does not erase this.
[/quote]
Being that this is a bodybuilding forum (a sport that involves dieting to very low levels of bf%) and this thread is about dieting, maybe you should defer to the experts in that area? No one is saying that you have never dieted, just that you have not dieted to extreme levels of leanness that is necessary in the sport of bodybuilding.
This is not about you or your goals, so please defer to those that have more knowledge than you in this area for the sake of the OP.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
Posters here have had success with changing nothing in their diet but doing intermittent fasting, I am one of them.
Bro, when you actually do a diet you will have valid input in a thread like this.
Inb4…“you are tiny”, “I dieted in the summer of 2004 when I cut back from 5 cheeseburgers a meal to only 4” etc.
And i’mmmmmmm out.[/quote]
Nice with the personal attacks…but seriously guy…the “No one can tell I work out” look isn’t what I was ever going for.
I have dieted, I just don’t care about being in single digits…and last I checked, there aren’t that many guys posting here carrying more muscle size who are much leaner than me.
This isn’t about my goals…but lying like I have never dieted needs to stop.
I have never dieted for a CONTEST, but I know a lot about dieting itself outside of that.
Just because I don’t care to be leaner than I am does not erase this.
[/quote]
Being that this is a bodybuilding forum (a sport that involves dieting to very low levels of bf%) and this thread is about dieting, maybe you should defer to the experts in that area? No one is saying that you have never dieted, just that you have not dieted to extreme levels of leanness that is necessary in the sport of bodybuilding.
This is not about you or your goals, so please defer to those that have more knowledge than you in this area for the sake of the OP.[/quote]
Great post.