You’re getting it, yeah. It’s funny where we draw lines of acceptable “naturalness”
Yep. We have shown that “natural” can or cannot mean anything or nothing. Not only does it have a grey meaning, it doesn’t mean anything. The word is worthless. So add “natty” to the worthless pile if it is just an abbreviation of natural
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I thought you meant Hobbes from Calvin and Hobbes.
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@T3hPwnisher More like @T3hLeviathan
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Obviously in completion they have parameters of what is natural or not but outside of that … who cares right? I’m on TRT and if someone is of the opinion my physique is because I’m not “natural”, screw em. I’m too old to give a shit what others think.
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For me, I draw the line at anything that would flag me on a drug test. I don’t like to limit myself by thoughts of “Is this achievable naturally?” But I also don’t want to put myself in the “enhanced camp”, I’m proud of my “Natural” status and like being able to compete on a level playing field in drug tested competitions. I’m not trying to be disrespectful to steroid users or TRT users, as just about every piece of training advice I implement or have implemented has come from “enhanced” lifters, which I feel like is too quickly disregarded by naturals. I understand the skepticism but generally isn’t valid. Elite lifters and bodybuilders don’t become elite without good, hard training and to me, it just makes sense to follow their advice.
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I suppose my question would be, why do you care what another person thinks?
I believe @T3hPwnisher and I have pretty fairly shown that “natural” has only the meaning that the person using believes it means. There is no common ground to have a conversation until all parties in the discussion agree on the meaning of “natural.”
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I think I answered that???
I appreciate we spent the rest of this thread, and 800 posts in that last one, disproving this.
Crap. I guess proving this.
This is definitely what I was getting at. We have all these “how should I train if I’m natural/ enhanced” like there’s some new principles, then we get to play with that gray area of, well, which are you. It’s a meaningless subset of a nonsensical categorization.
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I think Recovery and tolerance to training is super individual above and beyond natural/enhanced status. There are probably genetic factors at play as well as work capacity, quality of sleep and nutrition, even life stress. I know John Meadows has talked about this before and that’s always resonated with me. There are too many naturals with a self-limiting mindset that believe their natural status will keep them from handling a certain workout or they won’t get the gains they want to achieve. Self-belief should never limit you.
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Among many other genetic factors independent of the concentration of hormones flowing through your veins.
You can watch the genetics at work when the gifted first start lifting weights. Almost everything works to build muscle.
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Is it “better” to work more days?
Or is it “better” to pick a lower number of workouts and work hard enough to make it enough?
Like Dorain Yates did 3-4 sessions, and then busted ass so hard, couldn’t do more.
So if OP can handle 5 sessions per week, will 6 or 7 get better results? Or should he just do 5, and push harder during those five over time?
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It’s a good question. I like the thought process of figuring out all the things you want to do, and then fit it into your week. I think it’s then reasonable to say all those sets can fit into any number of days per week.
There’s probably some logical breaking point on either end: like once a week is too low frequency, regardless of how much volume you do, because you’ll always de train between sessions. Daily for a long term maybe is too high, regardless of how little you do, because you’ll always either under recover or fall short of necessary intensity. Maybe then there is no “better” within the more reasonable spectrum (say 3-5, but maybe it’s 2-6 or even 1-7 and everything I vomited above is nonsense).
Then the decision comes down to which row do you want to hoe? Kind of like when we’re dieting and we stall, whether we drop more calories or do more cardio is going to have to come down to what sucks less: do I have time but I’m hungry all the time?
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Another reason not to write your program.
Between days per week, sets per day, reps per set and weight per rep, you could come up with Infinite Shitty combinations.
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