Article. No One Is Born in ‘The Wrong Body’

I’ve personally seen injection molding factories go from 20 workers to 8 and have the same output due to technology. We are seeing less people working at the grocery store due to technology. I believe soon we will have AI semi trucks. Tractors are at the point that the farmer just sits in it to make sure everything is going to plan (I doubt they will be sitting in new tractors in 20 years).

We can likely be as productive with far fewer people. I think it is likely to be more productive with far fewer people. The issue with this is that capital holders will benefit to an extreme disproportional level.

I guess going into the future, I don’t see an issue with lower birth rate. It is probably a good thing. I do think we will need to be flexible in our law making as technology evolves (which is a pipe dream).

I think frankly it’s not bad of they do - they’re holding the risk. However to go along with that I think in such a scenario wages must go up significantly for those still working, specifically because there will be less of them.

I do not support actually driving less employment and a continued shrinking of the working pool, as current minimum wage legislation tends to do. In my opinion the best solution is to get more people working while increasing wages to some sustainable degree, but less so than many progressive proponents want (specifically because no proposal can get around the natural consequence of a dramatic raise, which is less workers).

However in the event that automation displaces the amount of people you are talking about, I think wages must go up for those still working. A side effect of that would be better workers.

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I am not talking now, but future. I am not sure that automation will result in a net loss either. I think potentially jobs that don’t currently exist will be created to support new technology.

I am just saying that IF we start going in a direction in which automation is going to result in a big net loss of jobs, I think we will need legislation to keep capital holders from hoarding all the wealth.

I agree with your position on the current state of the economy. I do think perhaps some things could be looked at to increase employment. Maybe more vacation days as a mandate, or a 4 day working week.

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Yep, I am following. I do think more jobs will be created, just as they have been through history. However they will likely not hit the same population as was displaced.

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“Missouri dad’s moving testimony on transgender athlete ban goes viral”

If you decide to identify as a woman, don’t enter sports against real women.

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Haven’t watched the video, although I’ll assume it unfolds like this

‘cries’

“it’s unfair my daughter can’t play despite growing up with twenty times the level of testosterone comparative to her peers”

‘continues weeping’

“she’s taking hormone blockers and currently has a testosterone level of 10nmol/L (10x that of a woman, from what I recall this is the cutoff for trans athletes), it isn’t fair she can’t compete… how and why could they possibly do this to us”

‘blows snot into tissue’

“this is prejudice, discriminatory… it’s 2021, why can’t we defy physiology and allow certain demographics to hold unfair advantages because they’ve been oppressed in the past?”

I’m all for progressive ideology… but this defies scientific logic/rhetoric. If we are to allow this, we ought to flat out allow doping in sport

Literature is indicative past exposure to supraphysiologic concentrations of androgens may very well permanently alter satellite cell morphology. Growing up with 10-20X+ the androgen concentration of the avg female is indicative of an unfair advantage. It’s not transphobic, it’s fucking basic human physiology

It’s not fair? Life isn’t fair…

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Maybe stop playing as if he is even a daughter. He is a son on pharmaceuticals. Otherwise you’re simply ignoring the fact that “she’s”a naturally gifted athlete simply relying on “her” natural gifts. “ She” can’t help it that many she’s aren’t as naturally gifted as “her.”“She” and the other “she’s” can’t be penalized due the existence of less naturally gifted she’s. If anything “she’s” already downplaying her natural athletic gifts to the benefit of the lesser she’s.

Or, we can face the facts. Not a she.

A trans guy in my town (a girl who dresses and thinks of herself as a guy, I don’t really know what the proper term is) posted something on social media yesterday calling out another girl from her high school for saying that guys → girls shouldn’t be allowed to play sports with girls. The trans guy said something along the lines of “Maybe you girls should stop looking for ways to make the sport easier for yourself and be better competitors so you win” … something like that.

I feel like you could literally flip her argument around, word for word.

By that logic, they should just play in non gendered leagues like the NFL, NBA or MLB. I guess the top leagues are not men’s leagues, they are open to everybody.

I do think the trans women competing thing is perhaps more complicated than many think. I think it is reasonable to believe that it is possible that no advantage exists in certain endurance events (the data certainly currently doesn’t support that their is an advantage). Because of uncertainty, I think having separate leagues is the most defendable position.

Would you expect anything less from a psychologically challenged individual?

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And then you’d have to separate out the pharmaceutical using Trans from those who don’t partake of the hormone therapy.

Then you’d have to make sure there is a league for each. Schools and universities receiving even a penny of tax dollars especially.

But again, why would we ever consider separating out naturally gifted athletes from the rest of the ladies?

I think there is a variable that goes missing in these arguments and that is the original talent level of the trans athlete. Meaning, there are females who can beat males however, there not females who can beat high level males. So you can have a talented female beat a talentless male, even if the male is not on female hormones. It’s when the talent of the male starts to improve that the problems start. If an elite male marathoner decided to transition, he might still be able to beat elite biological women. But you could never have a study that addressed that situation unless a bunch of elite male marathoners transitioned.

I think feminists, the whatever wave they are now, have shot themselves in the foot. They can’t stand up and complain about this issue since they have attached themselves, because of their anti-hetero male agenda, with the LGBTQ community. This is in spite of trans athletes in women’s sports clearly being a case of sexism. The irony of a man standing up on behalf of biological females to have a fair and level playing field to express themselves athletically while feminists remain silent. I say it’s sexism because it’s an issue that only affects women. Men don’t have to worry about women transitioning and competing against them.

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I don’t think you do in this case. They can go into their biologic sex category.

I think only for trans women on HRT. Trans men are generally not very good at sports compared to normal men. They would have to get a therapeutic exemption, but as long as the HRT was low enough (which to get the exemption it has to be), I think it would be fair play.

I don’t want to get into the whole mental illness argument but, the father of the CT trans sprinter who beat girls said he was proud of his daughter. I could accept him being proud of his “son” for not being afraid to say he/she is a girl. But, someone needs to tell him that it doesn’t change the fact she beat biological girls. Under any other circumstances it would be considered cheating.

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I don’t think we know this yet. Some believe in sports like marathon (in which muscle mass, power, bigger frame isn’t highly valued), that having male bone structure while not very much male muscle because of HRT could actually be a disadvantage.

I am not convinced that there is or isn’t an advantage (or disadvantage). Some seem very confident about something I believe they shouldn’t be confident about.

I think having a trans women in their own class makes the most sense, since we don’t know if it is fair play.

Most studies have shown men do have an advantage. Elite women never beat elite men.

Even when they have similar vo2 maxes they do not get similar times reason being men have more muscle mass/less body fat.

Women have beat men in ultramarathons but, I wonder if that is just due to the small participation pool to begin with.

Elite women have beaten trans women though. Not sure if we have ever seen an elite male transition? I agree though elite men are better at sports than elite women (all sport).

More muscle is not very important for marathon running. A larger bone structure is a disadvantage in marathon running. This larger bone structure needs more muscle to move, and HRT removes some of that muscle. Having a larger heart and lungs is an advantage. There are advantages and disadvantages which makes making a determination very difficult.

My position in regards to trans women in long endurance events is one of not being convinced of advantage or disadvantage. I have looked at some research, it isn’t conclusive.

I’ll agree all day long that trans women should not be competing with females in weightlifting, powerlifting, strongman… There only seems to exist advantages for the trans woman in these sports / contests. I don’t think only advantages exist in long distance endurance for trans women.

Why? You tell a man they’re really a she, letting him chill in the she locker room (despite the fact they might still dig the ladies and still have swinging wedding tackle) with everyone’s daughters, but then draw a line when it’s time to push a loaded barbell? They’re just more physically gifted she athletes, right?

For most of life…You’re a she. You’re a she. You’re a she…Wait, you fall out of the approved physical womanhood because you’ll be pushing a plate loaded cylindrical object.

Nope. Trans are just physically gifted women athletes.

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MMA & Boxing is probably the most brutal examples of the BS. Women’s basketball is ridiculous when you see it.

In the example of the Missouri dad, he wants his “child” to be able to beat girls in Tennis and Volleyball. Complete BS. I don’t want a natural born boy to spike a ball at my daughter’s head. And his muscle mass and bone density gives him an advantage in tennis. Ultra distance marathon is the only sport that women routinely beat men. Triathlon, bike racing, and regular marathon the top men always beat the top women.

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